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PC wrote:
Download this and see if you are aware of this problem...


http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/rn/podca...g_20100620.mp3


This issue will only get bigger. Australia wide we have a huge problem in
that the little fertile soil we have and coal seams are frequently
coincident in sedimentary basins. This means that mineral extraction from
those coal beds, coal and gas, is necessarily competing for land use with
food growing. We already have huge areas of productive land that has been
turned into a moonscape-wasteland, have a google earth look at
Singleton-Muswellbrook Look at the fabulous soil and water of the Liverpool
Plains, soon to be strip mined.

In addition to the conflict of immediate use we have the potential for long
term damage to the soil and water. There are many rivers that have already
been killed by mining, usually coal mining. For chapter and verse see the
movie "Rivers of Shame". Whenever an open cut mine closes down, the soil is
supposed to be remediated, that is the topsoil should be put back on top so
everything will go on as before. FAT CHANCE.

If Australia goes from a net exporter of food to a net importer (the trend
is heading that way) we are going to have to dig the coal and gas out and
ship it overseas quicker and quicker just to pay for our food.

I know that our present lifestyle is dependant on mining, you cannot simply
stop. On the other hand legislation is very biased in favour of the miners.
It is extermely rare for a mine not to be approved and this only happens
when powerful lobby groups get enough political leverage, it has little to
do with the actual risk to the environment. The miners have so much
influence with politicians, who love the royalties and export earnings, the
farmer and environment have no chance most of the time. Our pollies spend
their day ensuring they get elected in 3 years time not ensuring that our
grandchildren eat - that is SEP (someone else's problem). We need some
balance. We need somebody to take the long view.

This is an issue that will come back to bite us all in a generation or two
unless many more people wake up to what is happening and very soon. For as
long as this issue remains SEP we are at risk.

David


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On 22/06/2010 11:03 AM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
PC wrote:
Download this and see if you are aware of this problem...


http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/rn/podca...g_20100620.mp3


This issue will only get bigger. Australia wide we have a huge problem
in that the little fertile soil we have and coal seams are frequently
coincident in sedimentary basins. This means that mineral extraction
from those coal beds, coal and gas, is necessarily competing for land
use with food growing. We already have huge areas of productive land
that has been turned into a moonscape-wasteland, have a google earth
look at Singleton-Muswellbrook Look at the fabulous soil and water of
the Liverpool Plains, soon to be strip mined.

In addition to the conflict of immediate use we have the potential for
long term damage to the soil and water. There are many rivers that have
already been killed by mining, usually coal mining. For chapter and
verse see the movie "Rivers of Shame". Whenever an open cut mine closes
down, the soil is supposed to be remediated, that is the topsoil should
be put back on top so everything will go on as before. FAT CHANCE.

If Australia goes from a net exporter of food to a net importer (the
trend is heading that way) we are going to have to dig the coal and gas
out and ship it overseas quicker and quicker just to pay for our food.

I know that our present lifestyle is dependant on mining, you cannot
simply stop. On the other hand legislation is very biased in favour of
the miners. It is extermely rare for a mine not to be approved and this
only happens when powerful lobby groups get enough political leverage,
it has little to do with the actual risk to the environment. The miners
have so much influence with politicians, who love the royalties and
export earnings, the farmer and environment have no chance most of the
time. Our pollies spend their day ensuring they get elected in 3 years
time not ensuring that our grandchildren eat - that is SEP (someone
else's problem). We need some balance. We need somebody to take the long
view.

This is an issue that will come back to bite us all in a generation or
two unless many more people wake up to what is happening and very soon.
For as long as this issue remains SEP we are at risk.

David

I'm glad we agree on something.
And you read it. Thanks.

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On 22/06/2010 12:50 PM, PC wrote:
On 22/06/2010 11:03 AM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
PC wrote:
Download this and see if you are aware of this problem...


http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/rn/podca...g_20100620.mp3


This issue will only get bigger. Australia wide we have a huge problem
in that the little fertile soil we have and coal seams are frequently
coincident in sedimentary basins. This means that mineral extraction
from those coal beds, coal and gas, is necessarily competing for land
use with food growing. We already have huge areas of productive land
that has been turned into a moonscape-wasteland, have a google earth
look at Singleton-Muswellbrook Look at the fabulous soil and water of
the Liverpool Plains, soon to be strip mined.

In addition to the conflict of immediate use we have the potential for
long term damage to the soil and water. There are many rivers that have
already been killed by mining, usually coal mining. For chapter and
verse see the movie "Rivers of Shame". Whenever an open cut mine closes
down, the soil is supposed to be remediated, that is the topsoil should
be put back on top so everything will go on as before. FAT CHANCE.

If Australia goes from a net exporter of food to a net importer (the
trend is heading that way) we are going to have to dig the coal and gas
out and ship it overseas quicker and quicker just to pay for our food.

I know that our present lifestyle is dependant on mining, you cannot
simply stop. On the other hand legislation is very biased in favour of
the miners. It is extermely rare for a mine not to be approved and this
only happens when powerful lobby groups get enough political leverage,
it has little to do with the actual risk to the environment. The miners
have so much influence with politicians, who love the royalties and
export earnings, the farmer and environment have no chance most of the
time. Our pollies spend their day ensuring they get elected in 3 years
time not ensuring that our grandchildren eat - that is SEP (someone
else's problem). We need some balance. We need somebody to take the long
view.

This is an issue that will come back to bite us all in a generation or
two unless many more people wake up to what is happening and very soon.
For as long as this issue remains SEP we are at risk.

David

I'm glad we agree on something.
And you read it. Thanks.

It appears you're not quite so gratuitous
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PC wrote:
On 22/06/2010 12:50 PM, PC wrote:
On 22/06/2010 11:03 AM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
PC wrote:
Download this and see if you are aware of this problem...


http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/rn/podca...g_20100620.mp3

This issue will only get bigger. Australia wide we have a huge
problem in that the little fertile soil we have and coal seams are
frequently coincident in sedimentary basins. This means that
mineral extraction from those coal beds, coal and gas, is
necessarily competing for land use with food growing. We already
have huge areas of productive land that has been turned into a
moonscape-wasteland, have a google earth look at
Singleton-Muswellbrook Look at the fabulous soil and water of the
Liverpool Plains, soon to be strip mined. In addition to the conflict of
immediate use we have the potential
for long term damage to the soil and water. There are many rivers
that have already been killed by mining, usually coal mining. For
chapter and verse see the movie "Rivers of Shame". Whenever an open
cut mine closes down, the soil is supposed to be remediated, that
is the topsoil should be put back on top so everything will go on
as before. FAT CHANCE. If Australia goes from a net exporter of food to
a net importer (the
trend is heading that way) we are going to have to dig the coal and
gas out and ship it overseas quicker and quicker just to pay for
our food. I know that our present lifestyle is dependant on mining, you
cannot
simply stop. On the other hand legislation is very biased in favour
of the miners. It is extermely rare for a mine not to be approved
and this only happens when powerful lobby groups get enough
political leverage, it has little to do with the actual risk to the
environment. The miners have so much influence with politicians,
who love the royalties and export earnings, the farmer and
environment have no chance most of the time. Our pollies spend
their day ensuring they get elected in 3 years time not ensuring
that our grandchildren eat - that is SEP (someone else's problem).
We need some balance. We need somebody to take the long view.

This is an issue that will come back to bite us all in a generation
or two unless many more people wake up to what is happening and
very soon. For as long as this issue remains SEP we are at risk.

David

I'm glad we agree on something.
And you read it. Thanks.

It appears you're not quite so gratuitous


Why should I be gratuitous? What about? Why am I not? How did it take 2
weeks to come to this conclusion?

David




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On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 20:28:11 +1000, David Hare-Scott wrote:


Why should I be gratuitous?


You are being trolled.
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terryc wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 20:28:11 +1000, David Hare-Scott wrote:


Why should I be gratuitous?


You are being trolled.


Yes, apparently life is dull in Mildendo right now.

David
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On 7/9/2010 2:21 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
terryc wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 20:28:11 +1000, David Hare-Scott wrote:


Why should I be gratuitous?


You are being trolled.


Yes, apparently life is dull in Mildendo right now.

David

Dont know who wrote that. It wasnt me...
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PC wrote:
On 7/9/2010 2:21 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
terryc wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 20:28:11 +1000, David Hare-Scott wrote:


Why should I be gratuitous?

You are being trolled.


Yes, apparently life is dull in Mildendo right now.

David

Dont know who wrote that. It wasnt me...


So you, a person who is known for using different names and for stirring the
pot on controversial subjects, are claiming that some unknown person used
the same software as you and the same server as you to mischievously imitate
your current most popular name.

Why would we believe that? Do you think that your past performance might
muddy the waters? Or is that your desire?

David

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On 7/11/2010 10:33 AM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
PC wrote:
On 7/9/2010 2:21 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
terryc wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 20:28:11 +1000, David Hare-Scott wrote:


Why should I be gratuitous?

You are being trolled.

Yes, apparently life is dull in Mildendo right now.

David

Dont know who wrote that. It wasnt me...


So you, a person who is known for using different names and for stirring
the pot on controversial subjects, are claiming that some unknown person
used the same software as you and the same server as you to
mischievously imitate your current most popular name.

Why would we believe that? Do you think that your past performance might
muddy the waters? Or is that your desire?

David

I could care less what you believe. Its what I believe that's important
dont you think so too?


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