Chinese apples
Just read the destroyer of Oz agriculture aka AQIS has approved the
importation of Chinese apples. A not so quiet word in the ears of your local federal member might be a good idea. |
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SG1 wrote:
Just read the destroyer of Oz agriculture why are they that? aka AQIS has approved the importation of Chinese apples. A not so quiet word in the ears of your local federal member might be a good idea. why? David |
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atec77 wrote:
On 23/01/2011 1:38 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote: SG1 wrote: Just read the destroyer of Oz agriculture why are they that? they are not grown in decent soil and are contaminated by human waste , bad chemicals are used and the certainly run the risk iof importing disease which we have of sign of How do you know this? D |
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atec77 wrote:
On 23/01/2011 5:49 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote: atec77 wrote: On 23/01/2011 1:38 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote: SG1 wrote: Just read the destroyer of Oz agriculture why are they that? they are not grown in decent soil and are contaminated by human waste , bad chemicals are used and the certainly run the risk iof importing disease which we have of sign of How do you know this? D it's fact if you want more google it My position is that AQIS make these decisions based on available evidence and on the whole do a good job in a difficult situation. There are always competing interests in these cases and many would like to use laws relating to keeping out plant disease (for example) in place of tariff barriers to reduce overseas competition. These are the barriers which our government is trying to break down because they cost us more in the long run when raised by other countries against our primary producers. If you say that AQIS haven't made the right decision in this case then show me the evidence. If you want me to accept what you say then you make the argument, don't expect me to make it for you. David |
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atec77 wrote:
On 24/01/2011 6:47 AM, David Hare-Scott wrote: atec77 wrote: On 23/01/2011 5:49 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote: atec77 wrote: On 23/01/2011 1:38 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote: SG1 wrote: Just read the destroyer of Oz agriculture why are they that? they are not grown in decent soil and are contaminated by human waste , bad chemicals are used and the certainly run the risk iof importing disease which we have of sign of How do you know this? D it's fact if you want more google it My position is that AQIS make these decisions based on available evidence and on the whole do a good job in a difficult situation. There are always competing interests in these cases and many would like to use laws relating to keeping out plant disease (for example) in place of tariff barriers to reduce overseas competition. These are the barriers which our government is trying to break down because they cost us more in the long run when raised by other countries against our primary producers. If you say that AQIS haven't made the right decision in this case then show me the evidence. If you want me to accept what you say then you make the argument, don't expect me to make it for you. David eat it I don't care , remember this decision came from a government that blew billions on silly schemes and killed people in the process What has this got to do with the importing of apples? Nothing really it's just an anti government rant. the apples /greatwall are low quality and taste like it watch your tv as I am sure this subject will arise again When did you eat these Chinese apples? What kind were they? In what way were they bad? I'll save you the trouble, you haven't actually eaten any apples that could be identified as Chinese, instead you are having another generalised rant. David |
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yeh well hey?
what about oranges and orange juice pulp, and cherries, garlic, seafood and grapes, and no aussie dried apricots sold anymore as far as i have seen in the stupid markets. once you get into the processed foods all of it is imported, mushrooms, asparagus, pineapple you name it. milk from new zealand. and when our farmers are gone and all our processing/manufacturing is off shore then they can hold us to ransom. makes it easy for 'them' when aussie's are looked after so poorly that all they can afford is what ever is cheapest. wait until the carbon tax bites, australia flexing its ego before the world stage. On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 11:40:37 +1000, "SG1" wrote: Just read the destroyer of Oz agriculture aka AQIS has approved the importation of Chinese apples. A not so quiet word in the ears of your local federal member might be a good idea. -- Matthew 25:13 KJV "Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh" Mark 13:33 "Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is". len With peace and brightest of blessings, "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.lensgarden.com.au/ |
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atec77 wrote:
On 24/01/2011 11:05 AM, David Hare-Scott wrote: atec77 wrote: On 24/01/2011 6:47 AM, David Hare-Scott wrote: atec77 wrote: On 23/01/2011 5:49 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote: atec77 wrote: On 23/01/2011 1:38 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote: SG1 wrote: Just read the destroyer of Oz agriculture why are they that? they are not grown in decent soil and are contaminated by human waste , bad chemicals are used and the certainly run the risk iof importing disease which we have of sign of How do you know this? D it's fact if you want more google it My position is that AQIS make these decisions based on available evidence and on the whole do a good job in a difficult situation. There are always competing interests in these cases and many would like to use laws relating to keeping out plant disease (for example) in place of tariff barriers to reduce overseas competition. These are the barriers which our government is trying to break down because they cost us more in the long run when raised by other countries against our primary producers. If you say that AQIS haven't made the right decision in this case then show me the evidence. If you want me to accept what you say then you make the argument, don't expect me to make it for you. David eat it I don't care , remember this decision came from a government that blew billions on silly schemes and killed people in the process What has this got to do with the importing of apples? Nothing really it's just an anti government rant. the apples /greatwall are low quality and taste like it watch your tv as I am sure this subject will arise again When did you eat these Chinese apples? What kind were they? In what way were they bad? yes I did and they were dreadful the three times I tried them as mentioned So you are telling us that within 10 days of these apples landing in Australia you rushed out to try them. Apples which you believe "they are not grown in decent soil and are contaminated by human waste, bad chemicals " Not once but three times. What a trooper you are subjecting yourself to such pains on our behalf. But you don't know what kind they were or recall where it was and you cannot say in what way they were bad. I'll save you the trouble, you haven't actually eaten any apples that could be identified as Chinese, instead you are having another generalised rant. you have no ****ing idea as always David No, I just like to have evidence instead of ranting and prejudice. If people are going to report their experiences I think it fair that they actually have those experiences. David |
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gardenlen wrote:
yeh well hey? what about oranges and orange juice pulp, and cherries, garlic, seafood and grapes, and no aussie dried apricots sold anymore as far as i have seen in the stupid markets. once you get into the processed foods all of it is imported, mushrooms, asparagus, pineapple you name it. milk from new zealand. So what is the solution Len? Back to protectionism, the quick and easy solution of the populist? You are aware of course that this is exactly the argument used by some of our trading partners to keep out Australian produce. David |
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David Hare-Scott wrote:
My position is that AQIS make these decisions based on available evidence The only evidence AQIS uses is the almighty dollar. The Q is redundant these days. |
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terryc wrote:
David Hare-Scott wrote: My position is that AQIS make these decisions based on available evidence The only evidence AQIS uses is the almighty dollar. The Q is redundant these days. how do you know this? D |
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David Hare-Scott wrote:
terryc wrote: David Hare-Scott wrote: My position is that AQIS make these decisions based on available evidence The only evidence AQIS uses is the almighty dollar. The Q is redundant these days. how do you know this? The way in which the phrase business risk is now the order of the day. Shrug, if you had been following what is going on, then you would have seen it too. |
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atec77 wrote:
On 26/01/2011 6:07 PM, terryc wrote: David Hare-Scott wrote: terryc wrote: David Hare-Scott wrote: My position is that AQIS make these decisions based on available evidence The only evidence AQIS uses is the almighty dollar. The Q is redundant these days. how do you know this? The way in which the phrase business risk is now the order of the day. Shrug, if you had been following what is going on, then you would have seen it too. Following the facts would mean he couldn't troll an old familiar pattern and enough to earn him a plonk Yet another hint that the facts are out there and easy to find. You would think that if it was so easy at least one of you would have come up with something. If asking you to explain and support your assertions is too uncomfortable then by all means add me to your killfile. This won't add anything to substance of your comments but you might feel better if they seem to go unchallenged. I don't work for the Government, I don't think they are doing a particularly good job, I have no brief to support AQIS I just like to see reason and facts have some part our discussions. If AQIS was corrupt or suffering undue political pressure and making bad decisions I WOULD want to know about it. I do actually want you blokes to come up with something, if there is anything. David |
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David Hare-Scott wrote:
I just like to see reason and facts have some part our discussions. Shrug, it is there is you want to find it. It simply requres an ability to read between the lines and put 1 and 1 together. As far as I'm concerned, either people have( taught themselves) the ability to read and think critically or they don't. If AQIS was corrupt or suffering undue political pressure and making bad decisions I WOULD want to know about it. I do actually want you blokes to come up with something, if there is anything. Keep reading and thinking. |
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"terryc" wrote in message ... David Hare-Scott wrote: I just like to see reason and facts have some part our discussions. Shrug, it is there is you want to find it. It simply requres an ability to read between the lines and put 1 and 1 together. As far as I'm concerned, either people have( taught themselves) the ability to read and think critically or they don't. If AQIS was corrupt or suffering undue political pressure and making bad decisions I WOULD want to know about it. I do actually want you blokes to come up with something, if there is anything. Keep reading and thinking. David my reasons for the op are that Oz farmers are getting belted by crap from overseas. I will not buy os produce, maybe that is jingoistic, but we produce good stuff and they want us to have crap. There is no reason to import apples into here. Other farmers (oranges) have been decimated by subsidised juice from South America. We are supposed to EXPORT food not import it. Rant over. |
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Our current labor government has extraordinarily weak policies and ministers who made agriculture a low priority. The former Ag minister Tony Burke and other labor trade ministers allowed themselves to be strong armed by China with threats of trade retaliation if they didn't allow this Chinese fruit into Australia. The best labor could come up with was a scheme that involves making the Chinese exporter jump through hoops to try to get the apples into this country. Currently Coles and Woolworths/Safeway, our two major retailers with around 70% retail market share, are refusing to stock these Chinese apples (IGA is unofficially staying away from this fruit). A few people are out hunting down the retailers who are trying to sell the stuff. So far the big markets and many minor retailers are staying away from the Chinese fruit. It's just not worth a retailers time to stock something that nobody will buy and that taints the reputation of the store. My guess is that the bulk of the fruit has gone into manufacturing. I expect that the products produced from this fruit will eventually be identified and suitably boycotted. ps: a radio station over in Sydney did an informal test. 5 out of 7 identified the Chinese fruit by taste. 1 spat the sample out.... |
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