'Once patented, useful herbs will then be banned and removed from the public
domain, even for garden use. There has already been a federal police raid
carried out on a couple in northern New South Wales who planted a Chinese
herb in their garden to use as tea.'.....

full story....

-- http://campaignfortruth.com/Eclub/21...eadarticle.htm


Robert B* II

"Robert B II" wrote in message
...
'Once patented, useful herbs will then be banned and removed from the
public
domain, even for garden use. There has already been a federal police raid
carried out on a couple in northern New South Wales who planted a Chinese
herb in their garden to use as tea.'.....

Sounds like poppycock to me. The item above cites reference 10 "Beware -
Therapeutic Goods Act - Proposed changes. By Susan Drew Rasmussen". Where
can this be found (cant find it in google). What are the qualifications of
Eve Hillary & Susan Drew Rasmussen?

Pan, by it own employees' admission, used floor scrapings in its products.

gtoomey

It's my understanding that you can not patent plants in Aus., just the name
for the variety or hybrid. Nurserymen have been complaining obout this for
years.

--
China
Wingham
NSW

"China" wrote in message
...
It's my understanding that you can not patent plants in Aus., just the
name
for the variety or hybrid. Nurserymen have been complaining obout this for
years.

--
China
Wingham
NSW

Any new variety or hybrid is eligible for PBR protection, which gives the
marketing rights for the seed and plant to the breeder for 25 years. It's
not exactly a patent, but is as good as. (And heaps simpler and cheaper
than a true patent.) But there is no such protection available for the
actual crop produced once the seed or plant is sold.

So for example, I can develop a new variety of avocado and have exclusive
rights to sell the seed and trees, but if you plant and grow the seed/trees,
I cannot demand payment from you for your crop. Alas.

See http://www.ipaustralia.gov.au/ip/plantbreeders.shtml for a brief
outline.

Robert B II wrote:

'Once patented, useful herbs will then be banned and removed from the public
domain, even for garden use. There has already been a federal police raid
carried out on a couple in northern New South Wales who planted a Chinese
herb in their garden to use as tea.'.....

full story....

-- http://campaignfortruth.com/Eclub/21...eadarticle.htm

Robert B* II

Typical crap posting.

Aarh, let me guess, the chinese herb was Canabis sativa (sp?)? {:-).

Nothing to do with your URL about PAN.

So you say a few slack employees brought PAN undone?
What a load of bullshit. If that was the case, then they were just an
accident waiting to happen and all the management should have been
fired.


Are you also going to say that it was rouge employees who ordered herbs
from overseas, that they were not allowed to use, brought them into the
factory and mixed them into the product?

Terry Collins wrote:


Typical crap posting.

Aarh, let me guess, the chinese herb was Canabis sativa (sp?)? {:-).

Nothing to do with your URL about PAN.

So you say a few slack employees brought PAN undone?
What a load of bullshit. If that was the case, then they were just an
accident waiting to happen and all the management should have been
fired.


Are you also going to say that it was rouge employees who ordered
herbs from overseas, that they were not allowed to use, brought them
into the factory and mixed them into the product?

Just thought it was interesting ....can you 'prove' differently?
Perhaps if I post this............

THE GREAT AUSTRALIAN SUPPLEMENTS ROUND UP
(TGA SKELETONS - WHO PRIVATISED THE REGULATOR?)
by Eve Hillary
(For free distribution - please copy and promulgate)
Parts only reproduced here. Read the full story on Phillip Day's website,
campaigning for truth in medicine -
http://campaignfortruth.com/Eclub/21...eadarticle.htm
..
In January 2003, the TGA moved to recall Travacalm, Pan's over-the-counter
travel sickness tablet when it was tested and found to be defective. After
the January recall, Pan discovered a problem with one of its analysts whom
the company claimed was responsible for the lapse in quality control over
the defective product. The company dismissed the analyst, and set out to
correct the problem with its recalled product, while continuing to
manufacture its other unaffected product lines. So far the protocol followed
normal procedure for a recall, a commonplace occurrence even in the
multi-national pharmaceutical industry.

However, neither Jim Selim nor Pan's board members anticipated the special
attention they were about to receive from the TGA. The company had become
used to the regular TGA inspections in the previous few years and neither
Pan nor the TGA found any serious cause for concern. In fact, Pan's vitamin
and herb factory had been inspected more often and more rigorously than the
Australian-based operations of multi-national pharmaceutical drug companies.
However, after January the TGA conducted a number of audit raids on Pan
which foreshadowed trouble. In April, the TGA shut down Pan's entire
operation and slapped a class 1 recall over 1369 Pan products which were
unrelated to Travacalm. This involved mostly vitamins, minerals and herbal
products, which the company supplied to over 75% of the complementary
healthcare market.

..
The interim week saw a run on 5000 health food stores which reported an
influx of panicked customers demanding refunds for all manner of products,
even those they'd fully consumed, and those that were out of date. Some
demanded money for taxi fares. The TGA remained tight-lipped about the
offending substance that had allegedly rendered all these supplements life
threatening overnight. Instead, the regulator issued numerous public
announcements stating that; "drugs and pharmaceuticals are perfectly safe
and persons should keep on taking them". The NSW State Premier chimed in
with his own message to that effect.

By the end of the week the dailies continued running weekend feature stories
about the grave dangers of taking vitamins. The conundrum sent freelance and
independent researchers scurrying to their computers to research product
recalls. A short search of the FDA drug recall list and medico-legal
websites, list thousands of recalls, adverse events and warnings pertaining
to drug and chemical products manufactured by multi-national drug and
chemical companies. Many of the listed products are known to be either
dangerous or toxic to humans and even carcinogenic. Multi-national drug
company recalls are rarely given much press, and have never been given as
much negative media attention as Pan had received.

Even more incredibly, no large multi-national company has ever been shut
down by a government regulator after one of its products has been recalled,
even if deaths have occurred as a result of using the drug or chemical. This
discovery was guaranteed to make any independent journalist even more
curious about the TGA's action over Pan.

..
The largest mountain of vitamins, minerals, oils and herbs in the world was
hurriedly designated for destruction by the Australian Government in a
special location and using a special process usually reserved for toxic
waste. The evidence is, of course, destined for destruction. The TGA has
still not informed the public as to why their natural products were
classified as deadly, when no one had previously suffered adverse effects.
The regulator has released no test results. It is not known if tests were
ever conducted. When the mountain of vitamins finally rests in their mass
grave, incinerated and entombed as the remains of what the Australian
government regards as toxic waste, we will never know. And the epitaph on
the headstone could well read; "Here Lies Health Freedom".

Among the mystery and intrigue surrounding this historical event, one thing
appears to be certain. Had any test shown a lethal toxicity supporting a
class 1 recall, the TGA would have told us by now.

..
WHO owns the TGA?
Each year delegates gather in a European city to convene the Codex
Alimentarius Commission. The first commission was convened in 1963 as a
joint effort between the UN and the WHO (World Health Organization). Since
that time the Codex delegates have overwhelmingly represented large
multi-national pharmaceutical companies and government regulating
authorities, including the FDA and TGA. The delegates are determining an
eight-step guideline that is already being implemented in many countries of
the world. The Codex guidelines are intended to prevent the further sale of
supplements and herbs and to regulate them as drugs to be manufactured
solely by drug companies. In accordance with the Codex guidelines,
supplements are being slowly withdrawn from the public domain.

There are no representatives of small vitamin manufacturers and retailers at
Codex meetings and health supplement consumers are not represented, as they
are not eligible to attend. There is no press allowed during these meetings.
Each successive meeting at the Codex commission advances the coming agenda
to set worldwide guidelines on vitamins, supplements and herbs. The full
restriction of supplements and herbs is enacted as an eight-step process and
begins with seemingly innocent changes that the regulator adopts at first.
Finally each country is brought closer to full harmonisation when the
consumer can no longer access supplements or herbs.

The guidelines include the setting of recommended daily intake (RDI) levels
of supplements, which are set so low as to make therapeutic doses or
prophylactic doses of supplements impossible and technically illegal.
Iceland, Sweden, Norway and Denmark have already harmonised to step 5. Once
harmonised, the Codex 'recommendation' becomes enshrined in that country's
statutes and laws are strictly observed. One Scandinavian vitamin supplier
was chased by the federal police for supplying vitamin C tablets that
exceeded 200 mg. The amount of vitamin C contained in three oranges had made
this man a criminal.

..
Once patented, useful herbs will then be banned and removed from the public
domain, even for garden use. There has already been a federal police raid
carried out on a couple in northern New South Wales who planted a Chinese
herb in their garden to use as tea.

..
There is a fortune to be made by multinational drug companies solely
controlling the manufacture and sale of all life-sustaining natural
products. Many doctors and health freedom advocates are deeply disturbed by
these events. Dr. Matthias Rath, a medical specialist in nutritional
medicine, demonstrated that nutritional supplements reversed many
conditions, including heart disease. He states. "If the Codex Commission is
allowed to obstruct the eradication of heart disease by restricting access
to nutritional supplements, more than 12 million people world-wide will
continue to die every year from premature heart attacks and strokes. Within
the next generation alone, this would result in over 300 million premature
deaths, more than in all the wars of mankind together."

Codex has been a well-kept secret for many years. However, word has spread
lately and thousands of health-conscious and informed people are protesting
against the disappearance of health freedom. People are demanding their
right to stay healthy in open demonstrations around the world. For countries
that have already harmonised, it is too late to reverse this blow to health
freedom in the near future. However, greater awareness is gathering strength
globally and those with agendas are running out of time to implement their
total control over God's garden and over the citizens of those countries
that haven't yet fully harmonised.

..
We would be well advised to watch the developments from now on. And to speak
up while we still can. We are nearing midnight, just a few short steps away
from "harmonising" with the needs of a very powerful cadre of individuals.
It was Benito Mussolini who said, "Fascism should more appropriately be
called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power. "

In the lucky country, people still believe Benito lived a long time ago in a
land far away.

About Eve Hillary
Eve Hillary is based in Sydney. She is a medical writer and researcher into
issues pertaining to the health care industry and environmental health. She
specializes in documenting the human impact of the politics of multinational
medical and biotech corporations, covering issues such as emerging
epidemics, gene pollution, chemical pollution, government regulators and the
role of the media.

She is the author of Children of a Toxic Harvest: An Environmental
Autobiography, and numerous articles relating to environmental health
issues. Her most recent book is Health Betrayal; Staying away from the
sickness industry. She is also a public speaker.

Eve has spent 25 years in healthcare where she has observed the medical
industry at first hand from the inside.

Knowledge is potential power, and Eve's primary objective is to return this
power to the individuals whose lives depend on it. She uncompromisingly
believes that knowing the facts about health care is a right that belongs to
the public.
Read the entire article at
http://campaignfortruth.com/Eclub/21...eadarticle.htm


--
Robert B* II

Robert B II wrote:

Terry Collins wrote:


Typical crap posting.

I rest my case. The stupid berk just posted the contents of the URL to
the newsgroup. Snipped in my reply.

To the stupid, stupid berk
1) I don't read the daily telegraph
2) I don't give a shite about most newspaper columnists, and
3) I don't trust AMA certified doctors either.


Posting the URL again doesn't respond to my comments about "incompetent"
management at PAN. The actual complaint was about proper procedures not
being followed at PAN, like cleaning equipment between batches. To give
an analogy, any restaurant that stores raw meat above the salad should
be immediately shut down.

If I remember correctly from newspaper reports, JS has done it before
and was caught for it and got a small wrist slap, but I read that in the
newspaper. You forgot to mention this in your posting.

So this destroys JS's broken record claim of rogue employees. Did all
those "disgruntled employees" all get together and rehearse their
complaints.

The good news is that this opens the way for a number of the other
providers of alternative therapy products to grow bigger and/or for
others to enter this field. Competitive companies are always good for
the consumer.

Jobswise, whether we like it or not, you have absolutely no security in
any job these days. If you work for a company that has management like
PAN, then you should start looking for another job soon.


Aarh, let me guess, the chinese herb was Canabis sativa (sp?)? {:-).

and the chinese herb was?

Nothing to do with your URL about PAN.

So you say a few slack employees brought PAN undone?
What a load of bullshit. If that was the case, then they were just an
accident waiting to happen and all the management should have been
fired.


Are you also going to say that it was rouge employees who ordered

ROGUE, not french for red {:-).

herbs from overseas, that they were not allowed to use, brought them
into the factory and mixed them into the product?

I guess the security guards weren't checking the employees hand bags as
they carried all this foreign matter into the factory day after day
after day?


Just thought it was interesting ....can you 'prove' differently?
Perhaps if I post this............

THE GREAT AUSTRALIAN SUPPLEMENTS ROUND UP
(TGA SKELETONS - WHO PRIVATISED THE REGULATOR?)
by Eve Hillary
(For free distribution - please copy and promulgate)
Parts only reproduced here. Read the full story on Phillip Day's website,
campaigning for truth in medicine -

Full story not - demented rantings about the reporting of the closure of
PAN in a newspaper. It doesn't help alternate therapies one bit.


BTW - anyone seeking comfrey in oz?
Occassionally I dig some root stock up.

--
Terry Collins {:-)}}} email: terryc at woa.com.au www:
http://www.woa.com.au
Wombat Outdoor Adventures Bicycles, Computers, GIS, Printing,
Publishing

"People without trees are like fish without clean water"

Terry Collins wrote:
BTW - anyone seeking comfrey in oz?
Occassionally I dig some root stock up.


Yes please, saw some for the first time in years when in tassie recently.


"People without trees are like fish without clean water"


All too true....I need some trees
23yrs in the desert is taking it's toll !

Looking for a place down south ATM.


--
Robert B* II

Riiiight... The Federal Police are going to raid someone's garden for
a benign plant they are using for tea. If you had heroin poppies or
marijuana growing in your backyard for tea purposes, I doubt you would
get a visit from the federal police when state police could just as
easily turn up.

On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 08:57:33 GMT, (tosh) wrote:

Riiiight... The Federal Police are going to raid someone's garden for
a benign plant they are using for tea. If you had heroin poppies or
marijuana growing in your backyard for tea purposes, I doubt you would
get a visit from the federal police when state police could just as
easily turn up.


I don't know what the hell you're talking about, could you quote what
you're replying to, or give a link to the news article you're
commenting on./