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Old 19-08-2003, 09:31 AM
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Spider cleared of causing flesh-eating ulcer

The white-tail spider, whose bite has been blamed for cases of
flesh-eating ulcers for decades, has been declared innocent following
methodical Australian research.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s926733.htm

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Old 19-08-2003, 10:54 AM
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On 19 Aug 2003 00:29:33 -0700, (lumberjack)
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Thought the following news item might be of interest ...


Spider cleared of causing flesh-eating ulcer

The white-tail spider, whose bite has been blamed for cases of
flesh-eating ulcers for decades, has been declared innocent following
methodical Australian research.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s926733.htm

When I was in California last month I was warned to beware of the
brown recluse spiders that were apparently quite common in the area.

One of the people I was with was already deeply arachnaphobic and
totally spun out when, while we were dining outside at the hotel,
several spiders slowly descended on threads of silk and one landed on
his head.

It was so funny -- boy could that guy dance!

Turns out they were just a harmless spider that inhabits the trees and
hangs down on a thread trying to catch moths at night.

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Old 19-08-2003, 11:04 AM
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On 19 Aug 2003 00:29:33 -0700, (lumberjack)
wrote:

Thought the following news item might be of interest ...


Spider cleared of causing flesh-eating ulcer

The white-tail spider, whose bite has been blamed for cases of
flesh-eating ulcers for decades, has been declared innocent following
methodical Australian research.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s926733.htm

When I was in California last month I was warned to beware of the
brown recluse spiders that were apparently quite common in the area.

One of the people I was with was already deeply arachnaphobic and
totally spun out when, while we were dining outside at the hotel,
several spiders slowly descended on threads of silk and one landed on
his head.

It was so funny -- boy could that guy dance!

Turns out they were just a harmless spider that inhabits the trees and
hangs down on a thread trying to catch moths at night.

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Old 19-08-2003, 11:09 AM
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On 19 Aug 2003 00:29:33 -0700, (lumberjack)
wrote:

Thought the following news item might be of interest ...


Spider cleared of causing flesh-eating ulcer

The white-tail spider, whose bite has been blamed for cases of
flesh-eating ulcers for decades, has been declared innocent following
methodical Australian research.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s926733.htm

When I was in California last month I was warned to beware of the
brown recluse spiders that were apparently quite common in the area.

One of the people I was with was already deeply arachnaphobic and
totally spun out when, while we were dining outside at the hotel,
several spiders slowly descended on threads of silk and one landed on
his head.

It was so funny -- boy could that guy dance!

Turns out they were just a harmless spider that inhabits the trees and
hangs down on a thread trying to catch moths at night.

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you can contact me via http://aardvark.co.nz/contact/
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Old 19-08-2003, 11:48 AM
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 1:51:59 -0700, Bruce Simpson wrote:

When I was in California last month I was warned to beware of the
brown recluse spiders that were apparently quite common in the area.

One of the people I was with was already deeply arachnaphobic and
totally spun out when, while we were dining outside at the hotel,
several spiders slowly descended on threads of silk and one landed on
his head.

It was so funny -- boy could that guy dance!

Turns out they were just a harmless spider that inhabits the trees and
hangs down on a thread trying to catch moths at night.


Rick Vetter, spider specialist in the Dept of Entomology at UC Riverside
insists that there are no brown recluse (Loxosceles reclusa) in California.

He acknowledges the presence of L. deserta in the Eastern deserts of the
state, as well as a couple of isolated populations of L. laeta that have been
unintentionally imported from South America. But he says these populations do
not coincide with the areas in which there are reports of brown recluse
bites. He notes that an occasional L. reclusa may "hitchhike" with travelers,
but is adamant that there are no colonies of this spider in the state.

He has an interesting set of web pages on L. reclusa and other "problem"
spiders (http://spiders.ucr.edu/) and is currently sponsoring the "spider
challenge" in which he is asking people to send him L. reclusa candidates
collected in California. He says that to date none of the spiders sent to him
have been L. reclusa. Here is the challenge page:

http://spiders.ucr.edu/challenge.html


Tlacatecatl Tlacaxipe



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Old 19-08-2003, 01:22 PM
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lumberjack wrote:
Thought the following news item might be of interest ...


Spider cleared of causing flesh-eating ulcer

The white-tail spider, whose bite has been blamed for cases of
flesh-eating ulcers for decades, has been declared innocent following
methodical Australian research.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s926733.htm


Damnit. I just killed a white-tail not long ago. I don't like killing
animals that I'm not goingn to eat or that do not pose a threat to me :-(

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Old 19-08-2003, 02:22 PM
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thanks for that info the local myth here in northern nsw coast region is
that the white-tail spider is a very real threat i doubt whether many
people will believe me when i tell them of this study, but at least it
reassures me


"lumberjack" wrote in message
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Thought the following news item might be of interest ...


Spider cleared of causing flesh-eating ulcer

The white-tail spider, whose bite has been blamed for cases of
flesh-eating ulcers for decades, has been declared innocent following
methodical Australian research.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s926733.htm



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Old 19-08-2003, 04:12 PM
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"rapdor" writes:

thanks for that info the local myth here in northern nsw coast region is
that the white-tail spider is a very real threat i doubt whether many
people will believe me when i tell them of this study, but at least it


Not being bitten is a policy which has always worked well for me.

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Old 19-08-2003, 05:02 PM
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"spodosaurus" wrote in message
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Damnit. I just killed a white-tail not long ago. I don't like killing
animals that I'm not goingn to eat or that do not pose a threat to me :-(


Imagine how many totally innocent white-tails have been summarily executed
on the basis of the original bad science. Another tragic example of the
dangers of the death penalty.

Tony


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Old 20-08-2003, 12:05 AM
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:13:54 GMT, spodosaurus
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lumberjack wrote:
Thought the following news item might be of interest ...


Spider cleared of causing flesh-eating ulcer

The white-tail spider, whose bite has been blamed for cases of
flesh-eating ulcers for decades, has been declared innocent following
methodical Australian research.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s926733.htm


Damnit. I just killed a white-tail not long ago. I don't like killing
animals that I'm not goingn to eat or that do not pose a threat to me :-(


It depends on whether you think a really painful bite constitutes a
threat.

I've only been bitten once and it was worse than a paper-wasp sting --
kind of like a red hot needle being pushed into your flesh.

The effects were only temporary though -- some itching and red
swelling followed but it all subsided within a day (no creams or
potions were used).

If you've got lots of other spiders then it's almost certain you'll
have white-tails as well --s ince their main food is other spiders.

I never kill them unless I'm in a hurry and there's no easy way to get
them outside.

What *is* fun is to catch a little white-tail and stick it in a jar.
Then get one of those great big fat house-spiders that make webs
outside and put it in the same jar.

Sometimes you get to see the "action" but more often you can leave
them overnight and come back to find that the big spider is "deflated"
and the white-tail is a little bigger.

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Old 20-08-2003, 12:05 AM
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Nick Andrew wrote:

"rapdor" writes:

thanks for that info the local myth here in northern nsw coast region is
that the white-tail spider is a very real threat i doubt whether many
people will believe me when i tell them of this study, but at least it


Not being bitten is a policy which has always worked well for me.

Nick.


Quite frankly, I think the White-tailed Spider was only ever an imagined threat
compared to the very clear and present danger of those blasted Garden Orb
Weavers! They incorporate steel cable into their webs (could only come from a
regular diet of pig-iron, I tell you!) and the sensation of being caught in one
which has been knitted across one's carport is beyond frightening!

I believe the psychological damage that arises from capture by the Garden Orb
Weaver *far* outstrips any piddling necrotising ulceration of the flesh caused
by White Tailed Spiders! Have you never performed the Dance of Fear and Loathing
as you frantically slapped at your body and bellowed
'Where'sthespider?Where'sthespider?Where'sthespide r?' to any and all onlookers?

No, gimme Mr White Tail any day! I knew all along he was a sweet little bloke!

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Old 20-08-2003, 03:07 AM
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"lumberjack" wrote in message
om...
Thought the following news item might be of interest ...


Spider cleared of causing flesh-eating ulcer

The white-tail spider, whose bite has been blamed for cases of
flesh-eating ulcers for decades, has been declared innocent following
methodical Australian research.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s926733.htm


Now I feel guilty, I have killed about 100 of the wee critters lately, seems
it was unjustified.

I could be had up for arachnicide, hell.

Judy


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Old 20-08-2003, 05:02 AM
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In article 3f4236da$0$23584$5a62ac22
@freenews.iinet.net.au, says...
Another tragic example of the
dangers of the death penalty.


Oh I'm sure the spiders were guilty of something. :P
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Old 20-08-2003, 05:22 AM
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"lumberjack"

Thought the following news item might be of interest ...


Spider cleared of causing flesh-eating ulcer

The white-tail spider, whose bite has been blamed for cases of
flesh-eating ulcers for decades, has been declared innocent following
methodical Australian research.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s926733.htm



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I took the liberty of forwarding the above to the "Venom Mailing List".
This reply includes the URL for the original publication and an editorial. /djh/

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Spider cleared of causing flesh-eating ulcer


Not completely, according the original article:
http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/...b10785_fm.html
"These data suggest that spiders are an extremely uncommon cause of necrotic
or cytotoxic lesions, and should be considered only at the end of a long
list of other differential diagnoses."

Posters name deleted. /djh/ Who suspects that the spiders mothers knew all along
- their prodigy were innocent!


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Old 20-08-2003, 06:42 AM
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"Kereru" wrote in message
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"lumberjack" wrote in message
om...
Thought the following news item might be of interest ...


Spider cleared of causing flesh-eating ulcer

The white-tail spider, whose bite has been blamed for cases of
flesh-eating ulcers for decades, has been declared innocent following
methodical Australian research.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s926733.htm


Now I feel guilty, I have killed about 100 of the wee critters lately,

seems
it was unjustified.

I could be had up for arachnicide, hell.

Judy


The female of the species is more deadly than the male. - Old Jungle Saying


Neil




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