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[IBC] Bamboo Propagation/Air Layering
Hi everyone i was thinking of getting some bamboo for
my garden but some of the more unique varieties get quite expensive. I was thinking of getting one or two stems then air layering them off. Is this done the same way you would air layer a woody plant? Do any of you have any tips? Is it much more difficult then rooting or air layering a bush or tree? Thanks Ben Griffin __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Bamboo Propagation/Air Layering
Hi everyone i was thinking of getting some bamboo for
my garden but some of the more unique varieties get quite expensive. I was thinking of getting one or two stems then air layering them off. Is this done the same way you would air layer a woody plant? Do any of you have any tips? Is it much more difficult then rooting or air layering a bush or tree? You should read up on bamboo before you take this step. Some bamboos are very invasive (the running, rather than the clumping types), and should only be planted within contained areas. Bamboo is divided, not air-layered. -- Nina Shishkoff Frederick, MD ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Bamboo Propagation/Air Layering
Hi everyone i was thinking of getting some bamboo for
my garden but some of the more unique varieties get quite expensive. I was thinking of getting one or two stems then air layering them off. Is this done the same way you would air layer a woody plant? Do any of you have any tips? Is it much more difficult then rooting or air layering a bush or tree? Nope. Bamboo is closely related to the grasses, though it is no longer considered to be a grass. It grows by seeds and runners. Air layering won't work. You really do want to think carefully about adding bamboo to your garden. Most bamboo are highly invasive (and even those that aren't thought to be can be tough to control). They can send runners 30-40 feet, under cement and asphalt, and appear suddenly in a neighbor's yard -- even on across the street! This will NOT endear you to your neighbors. Even keeping them in pots can be a problem if the pot sits on the ground and has drainage (which it would have to have; they don't care for wet feet). Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry David Thoreau - Walden ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Bamboo Propagation/Air Layering
Ben,
I used to grow many species of bamboo and after many attempt I could not get any to root from cuttings. Breaking up a clump with roots was the only way I could propagate it. I never tried air-layers but I suspect it won't work. Let us know if you succeed. Jerry Meislik Whitefish Montana USA Zone 3-4 http://www.bonsaihunk.8m.com/ Hi everyone i was thinking of getting some bamboo for my garden but some of the more unique varieties get quite expensive. I was thinking of getting one or two stems then air layering them off. Is this done the same way you would air layer a woody plant? Do any of you have any tips? Is it much more difficult then rooting or air layering a bush or tree? Thanks Ben Griffin ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Bamboo Propagation/Air Layering
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[IBC] Bamboo Propagation/Air Layering
Are any of you familiar with these types of bamboo or
seen either of them in person? I have heard like some of you mentioned that bamboo can be quite invasive. Phyllostachys nigra 'Henon' Phyllostachys nigra 'Bory' I was thinking of building a small retaining wall in the soil to control it. ben __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Bamboo Propagation/Air Layering
Phyllostachys are runners and thus invasive. I used galvanized metal 14
inches deep and overlapped with two feet of metal. The bamboo still found its way out! Jerry Meislik Whitefish Montana USA Zone 3-4 http://www.bonsaihunk.8m.com/ Are any of you familiar with these types of bamboo or seen either of them in person? I have heard like some of you mentioned that bamboo can be quite invasive. Phyllostachys nigra 'Henon' Phyllostachys nigra 'Bory' I was thinking of building a small retaining wall in the soil to control it. ben ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Bamboo Propagation/Air Layering
I hope you all don't mind me brining up bamboo on our
bosnai forum. They are somewhat related as they tie in with japanese gardening :). Just one more quick question. Are there only two types of bamboo running and clumping. Or are there other growth patterns available. Ben __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Bamboo Propagation/Air Layering
I was thinking of building a small retaining wall in
the soil to control it. If you do, be certain that the "retaining wall goes AT LEAST 12 inches below the surface of the soil. It doesn't matter at all how tall ABOVE the surface it is. That's a lot of work. I doubt that it's worth it. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry David Thoreau - Walden ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Bamboo Propagation/Air Layering
I hope you all don't mind me brining up bamboo on our
bosnai forum. They are somewhat related as they tie in with japanese gardening :). Just one more quick question. Are there only two types of bamboo running and clumping. Or are there other growth patterns available. That's it. Mind you, "clumping" just means they spread a bit more slowly than "running." I would avoid bamboo at all costs. That said, I have about an acre of bamboo that I'd gladly give you. FREE. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is frittered away by detail . . . . ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Bamboo Propagation/Air Layering
According to all the books I have there are only the two distinct types
of growth running (Leptomorph) and clumping (Pachymorph). I have found that even this classification is not always reliable. My Phyllostachys aureosulcata Spectabilis is supposed to be clumping but was planted in very well enriched soil and watered regularly. The result is a 12 foot wide clump in four years from a single 5 Litre pot. A friend's clump of the same variety, at the same age has barely doubled the area it occupies. I learned from this experience and planted my P nigra and P nigra Boryana in sol with good drainage but less animal fertiliser. These have both grown well and remained in a neat clump for three years. They still need watching though. A small retaining wall must be very deep in the soil if you are to have any chance of stopping the more vigorous rhizomes. They will puncture pool liners, asphalt, weak mortar and can even "jump" over a low barrier if not closely watched! There are some excellent new books on Bamboo. I can heartily recommend The Gardeners Guide to Growing Temperate Bamboos by Michael Bell on Timber Press - beautifully illustrated and very well written. The right one in the right place with the right care can be a dramatic and very enjoyable addition to a garden. They do require work, but what garden plant doesn't? Cheers Kev Bailey --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 01/04/2003 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Bamboo Propagation/Air Layering
Ben:
You had better set your wall about ten feet below soil level and surround the Bamboo with a thick wall...... Carl L. Rosner Ben Griffin wrote: Are any of you familiar with these types of bamboo or seen either of them in person? I have heard like some of you mentioned that bamboo can be quite invasive. Phyllostachys nigra 'Henon' Phyllostachys nigra 'Bory' I was thinking of building a small retaining wall in the soil to control it. ben ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Bamboo Propagation/Air Layering
i was thinking of getting some bamboo for my garden but some of the more
unique varieties get quite expensive. I was thinking of getting one or two stems then air layering them off. Is this done the same way you would air layer a woody plant? 1. Where do you live? There are only a few species of bamboo that are hardy in Zone 5. 2. Unless you live in the South, you are limited to running bamboos for the garden. These are extremely dangerous, as invasive as a kudzu vine. if you want to plant them, you will have to restrain them with a concrete barrier or a piece of sewer main pipe. 3. Bamboo is a monocot, a member of what we now call the Liliopsida. You can't air layer it. It is sold by the clump, and even the clumping type bamboos will multiply fast enough. The running type reproduce by runners, faster than the brooms of the Sorcerer's Apprentice. Iris, Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40 "If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming train." Robert Lowell (1917-1977) |
[IBC] Bamboo Propagation/Air Layering
I agree with Nina,
My neighbor planted bamboo a couple of years ago and now it is all over the place. It has encroached into my yard and my other neighbors property. It is extremely difficult to kill. I don't know what variety he planted but it is more of a weed than a decor ative plant. Al Polanco NY ----- Original Message ----- From: Nina Shishkoff To: Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 2:07 PM Subject: [IBC] Bamboo Propagation/Air Layering Hi everyone i was thinking of getting some bamboo for my garden but some of the more unique varieties get quite expensive. I was thinking of getting one or two stems then air layering them off. Is this done the same way you would air layer a woody plant? Do any of you have any tips? Is it much more difficult then rooting or air layering a bush or tree? You should read up on bamboo before you take this step. Some bamboos are very invasive (the running, rather than the clumping types), and should only be planted within contained areas. Bamboo is divided, not air-layered. -- Nina Shishkoff Frederick, MD ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Bamboo Propagation/Air Layering
I read some where that invasive bamboo should have a 3' deep barrier to contain it from spreading to undesirable locations.
Al NY ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Lewis To: Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 6:17 PM Subject: [IBC] Bamboo Propagation/Air Layering I was thinking of building a small retaining wall in the soil to control it. If you do, be certain that the "retaining wall goes AT LEAST 12 inches below the surface of the soil. It doesn't matter at all how tall ABOVE the surface it is. That's a lot of work. I doubt that it's worth it. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry David Thoreau - Walden ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Bamboo Propagation/Air Layering
I read some where that invasive bamboo should have a 3' deep
barrier to contain it from spreading to undesirable locations. ========== For most bamboo, and all larger species, 3" is much to shallow. Twelve inches is recommended, and the runners can go deeper than that if the soil is moist. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry David Thoreau - Walden ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Bamboo Propagation/Air Layering
Im in NY city we are zone 6b to 7a kinda inbetween.
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Some of these people that say you can't air layer bamboo are wrong. You can air layer bamboo, I have done it. I put a small pot filled with sunshine mix on a culm of Phyllostachys aureosulcata and put some sod/grass starter fertilizer (about 1 tbsp 20-28-3) and roots grew like crazy from the node. Although bamboos are often divided, they can be propagated by other ways. For instance some bamboo specific nurseries are propagating bamboos by tissue culture. As for the invasive nature of bamboo, don't let that scare you off. But just remember, bamboo is not a plant and forget landscaping plant. The best way to keep bamboo under control is by frequent rhizome pruning. Planting it on a berm or mound (~18" high) is effective and then you can prune off the rhizomes as they emerge from the soil. Before you plant bamboo, research it. Bamboo forests are nice in Japan, but do you want one in your backyard (I actually do but that's another story :P ). |
Bamboo is closely related to grass, although it is no longer is considered to be grass. It grows in the seed and runner-up air. Most layered highly aggressive (even those Not considered to be difficult to control.) They can send
Run 30-40 feet in cement and asphalt, and a sudden in the neighbor's yard - even across the street. |
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