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[IBC] Rainwater (was: [IBC] Too much lime)
Jim,
Why is distilled water no good? It doesn't have any minerals, but I assume rainwater doesn't either. Just curious. John Carnes Rainwater is FULL of minerals. Water is called the "universal solvent." It dissolves almost everything that it touches, and as it floats as vapor in the clouds, then passes through the air as it falls, rain picks up everything it finds -- good, bad or indifferent. Rain in the country (usually) is better than rain in the city -- or rain that falls downwind from an electrical power plant, paper mill, or chemical factory. Most rain in the USA is slightly acid. In parts of Canada and in Scandinavia it can be quite acid. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry David Thoreau - Walden ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Rainwater (was: [IBC] Too much lime)
Jim Lewis wrote:
Jim, Why is distilled water no good? It doesn't have any minerals, but I assume rainwater doesn't either. Just curious. John Carnes Rainwater is FULL of minerals. Water is called the "universal solvent." It dissolves almost everything that it touches, and as it floats as vapor in the clouds, then passes through the air as it falls, rain picks up everything it finds -- good, bad or indifferent. snip Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry David Thoreau - Walden For myself, I couldn't afford to use distilled water anyway. I use about 10 gallons a day to water my approximately 65 trees in pots and growing boxes. I have rainbarrels at two corners of the house, and that usually keeps me going unless we have a dry spell. Right now I'm using tap water (from a well) until we get rain again. Craig Cowing NY Zone 5b/6a ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Rainwater (was: [IBC] Too much lime)
So I gather that these minerals in rainwater are good for trees, or the
lack of minerals in distilled water is bad? I have been using distilled water because my tapwater results in white deposits (calcium carbonate, I think) on pots and trunks. I don't think they're harmful, just unappealing to look at. Any way to get rid of the calcium carbonate in tap water? I wonder if rainwater picks up anything nasty from shingles on the roof? Cheers, John Carnes ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Rainwater (was: [IBC] Too much lime)
So I gather that these minerals in rainwater are good for
trees, or the lack of minerals in distilled water is bad? Assuming the rainwater you get doesn't fall directly through the Dow Chemical smokestack plume, the stuff rainwater picks up is generally beneficial. Distilled water is simply wet. And expensive. I have been using distilled water because my tapwater results in white deposits (calcium carbonate, I think) on pots and trunks. I don't think they're harmful, just unappealing to look at. Any way to get rid of the calcium carbonate in tap water? Not that's inexpensive enough to be worth it; water softeners will do the job, but the chemicals used in the ones I know of (and I'm probably way out of date now) are not good for the trees. Intuition would seem to indicate that a small amount of vinegar (or maybe Miracid) added to your water as you do your trees should reduce the Ca deposits, but intuition is SO often wrong . . . A toothbrush will take it off trunks. Pots are more difficult. I wonder if rainwater picks up anything nasty from shingles on the roof? Depends on what's hanging (or nesting) over your roof. ;-) If you JUST shingled your roof, and if you used asphalt shingles, I'd hold off collecting runoff for a few months. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry David Thoreau - Walden ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Rainwater (was: [IBC] Too much lime)
Jim Lewis wrote:
Not that's inexpensive enough to be worth it; water softeners will do the job, but the chemicals used in the ones I know of (and I'm probably way out of date now) are not good for the trees. Intuition would seem to indicate that a small amount of vinegar (or maybe Miracid) added to your water as you do your trees should reduce the Ca deposits, but intuition is SO often wrong . . . A toothbrush will take it off trunks. Pots are more difficult. I fill water in a barrel for convenience. The water here is pretty hard but I always turn the softener off when filling the barrel. I have found if you fill it in a barrel lots of calcium will fall down to the bottom. I have not much problem with calcium deposits, a good hard rain now and then during the summer probably cleans some off. Henrik Gistvall, Uppsala, Sweden ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Rainwater (was: [IBC] Too much lime)
John,
I use reverse osmosis water, as well as several of my friends. This is essentially distilled water with no minerals. The plants do great. Minerals are not needed in your everyday water. Fertilizer is needed as for all potted trees. Jerry Meislik Whitefish Montana USA zone 4-5 http://www.bonsaihunk.8m.com/ So I gather that these minerals in rainwater are good for trees, or the lack of minerals in distilled water is bad? I have been using distilled water because my tapwater results in white deposits (calcium carbonate, I think) on pots and trunks. I don't think they're harmful, just unappealing to look at. Any way to get rid of the calcium carbonate in tap water? I wonder if rainwater picks up anything nasty from shingles on the roof? Cheers, John Carnes ************************************************** **************************** ** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** **************************** ** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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