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[IBC] Mixing Fertilizer and Super Thrive
Can you mix fertilizer and Super Thrive together when watering?
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[IBC] Mixing Fertilizer and Super Thrive
At 11:25 AM 4/22/03 -0400, John NJ wrote:
Can you mix fertilizer and Super Thrive together when watering? tongue in cheek It's not really a good idea. ST is so powerful that there is no telling what will really happen, despite what is on the label (hidden in the little text on that label is really a twenty seven page disclaimer). Even at the one drop per gallon rate, it should be mixed and applied only with rubber gloves, goggles, and a disposable Tyvex suit. Thoroughly rinse out all containers using the triple rinse method, and use the rinse water to treat plants as well to avoid toxic remains getting into streams, sewers, and the aquifer. FWIW: Science magazine recently reported a followup of the cold fusion reaction studies conducted at Cornell. It seems that the reason that no one could repeat the experiments is that the original researcher had failed to watch his hands after handling ST. This failure in scientific protocol resulted in his dismissal and he is now working as a reseach marketing expert at the Vitamin Institute in Hollywood CA. His comment on being fired, was "Well, at least my tomatoes are bigger". There was at least one report of a severely deformed alligator found in a Brooklyn sewer not far downstream from where Ima Doinbetter flushed a whole bottle of ST down the drain, after mistakenly believing the expiration date had passed. State officials in New Jersey continue to monitor the situation, but according to one EPA source, "In NJ, how could you tell the difference?" Meanwhile, the ocean going science ship Glomore Explorer has reported an increase of heavy hydrogen and phosphorescent algae off the coast of Martha's Vineyard. So, the short answer is, please, please don't mix fertilizer with ST, if you care anything at all about the planet. /tongue in cheek Brent in Northern California Evergreen Gardenworks USDA Zone 8 Sunset Zone 14 http://www.EvergreenGardenworks.com ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Mixing Fertilizer and Super Thrive
Can you mix fertilizer and Super Thrive together when watering?
While I love Brent's answer, the answer here is yes -- BUT . . . You will get absolutely no further benefit to your plants than you would have gotten if you'd used fertilizer alone. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Snake oil is snake oil. Period. (and if Mark Twain didn't say that, he should have.) ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Mixing Fertilizer and Super Thrive
Jim:
I know you don't think much of ST but I tried it recently on a Serissa. After one application I got a burst of growth that was startling. Nothing else changed. The plant is indoors and has not been fertilized. I didn't use one drop per gallon. I used a 1/4 teaspoon full in the gallon. I'm trying it on the other trees this week. I'll let you know how it works. I guess my Serissa likes snake oil. Thanks, John-NJ From: Jim Lewis Reply-To: Jim Lewis To: Subject: [IBC] Mixing Fertilizer and Super Thrive Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:14:46 -0400 Can you mix fertilizer and Super Thrive together when watering? While I love Brent's answer, the answer here is yes -- BUT . . . You will get absolutely no further benefit to your plants than you would have gotten if you'd used fertilizer alone. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Snake oil is snake oil. Period. (and if Mark Twain didn't say that, he should have.) ************************************************* ******************************* ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************* ******************************* -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ __________________________________________________ _______________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Mixing Fertilizer and Super Thrive
is superthrive a bad thing? should i be using something
else? adam roler indianapolis indiana __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Mixing Fertilizer and Super Thrive
Jim:
I know you don't think much of ST but I tried it recently on a Serissa. After one application I got a burst of growth that was startling. Nothing else changed. The plant is indoors and has not been fertilized. I didn't use one drop per gallon. I used a 1/4 teaspoon full in the gallon. I'm trying it on the other trees this week. I'll let you know how it works. I guess my Serissa likes snake oil. Thanks, John-NJ 1. People tend to see what they want to see. 2. It was a Serissa, for heaven's sake; they'll do anything to keep you guessing. 3. It is spring -- where those kinds of things just happen. 4. If you keep on using that formula for garden chemicals (if a drop is good 100 drops must be better), you will either make your family very ill, pollute the environment, kill a few trees, or all of the above. READ -- AND FOLLOW -- LABEL INSTRUCTIONS -- ALWAYS! Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - "People, when Columbus discovered this country, it was plum full of nuts and berries. And I'm right here to tell you the berries are just about all gone." -- Uncle Dave Macon, old-time musician ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Mixing Fertilizer and Super Thrive
is superthrive a bad thing? should i be using something
else? With the possible exception of the Vitamin B-1 it smells like it must contain, Superthrive won't hurt your trees. And there probably isn't enough B-1 to do any real damage. On the other hand, it won't help, either. I'd save my money from the purchase of a couple of bottles of this liquid gold (to the manufacturer!) and use it to buy a large bucket of Miracle Gro or Peters or Schultz fertilizer. And yes, we've discussed this often. Andy Walsh did a bit of research on it a few years ago. If you search our archives for "superthrive" (or S'thrive, or stuporthrive -- MY name for it) you should find it. I repeated it here last year sometime. The manufacturer won't reveal the "secret" ingredients because . .. . there aren't any. A pretty good indication of a scam is when the maker of a product refuses to tell what is in it because THEY (you know who THEY are! Don't you?) will steal the formula. (Which is what the patent office is for, BTW.) Another indication is the American assumption that if it stinks (or tastes) bad enough it MUST be good for you (or plants or, for veterinary concoctions, animals). Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry David Thoreau - Walden ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Mixing Fertilizer and Super Thrive
Can you mix fertilizer and Super Thrive together when watering?
Why not? I have been doing it for at least 20 years. Iris, Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40 "If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming train." Robert Lowell (1917-1977) |
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[IBC] Mixing Fertilizer and Super Thrive
On 22 Apr 2003 at 13:58, John NJ wrote:
I tried it recently on a Serissa. After one application I got a burst of growth that was startling. I'm trying it on the other trees this week. I'll let you know how it works. Your comments remind me of my hippie friends who swear by various herbal medicaments and new age what-not, ie, "I got a cold so I put in my magic nose ring and a few days later I felt great!" Gee, what are the chances that a cold will go away by itself in a few days? If you really want to know if this stuff works do a controlled experiment. Divide your trees into two groups and make sure you have an even distribution of age, species as well as poor doers in both groups. Give the magic potion to one group but not the other. If you really want to be objective, have someone else apply potion and don't tell which group got it. Keep all other conditions identical. If you see dramatic differences between the two groups, let us know. Otherwise, expect to see some testimonials about the dramatic flush of new growth I get by putting magic crystals in my pots. In the spring. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Mixing Fertilizer and Super Thrive
HI Brent
I use ST alone & mixed with fertilizer 2x per month pines & maples since many years and touch it with my hands sometimes. ..( I wash them asap later on of course) Never riported skin problem Which would be the dangers? thanks Theo Brent Walston wrote: At 11:25 AM 4/22/03 -0400, John NJ wrote: Can you mix fertilizer and Super Thrive together when watering? _SNIP_ tongue in cheek It's not really a good idea. ST is so powerful that there is no telling what will really happen, ** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Mixing Fertilizer and Super Thrive
HI Jim
Jim Lewis wrote: is superthrive a bad thing? should i be using something else? -SNIP- I'd save my money from the purchase of a couple of bottles of this liquid gold (to the manufacturer!) and use it to buy a large bucket of Miracle Gro or Peters or Schultz fertilizer. you prefer them( I have ) but I thought ST was an enhancer to help plants to better assimilate fertilizers and not a "fertilizer" per se ! e manufacturer won't reveal the "secret" ingredients because . . . there aren't any. Coke does not either Grin and we all drink it .. moer or less Theo Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry David Thoreau - Walden ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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