One of the commercial members of my orchid newsgroup really did
a controlled
experiment with SuperThrive and found that it does work.
Iris,

Did he or she write it up in any detail?

As Andy W. (and others here) have written in their experiments
(which showed no appreciable difference in plants treated with or
without it), it is extremely difficult for a lay person to create
a truly "controlled" experiment. Merely having one group of
plants treated with it and another without it doesn't cut it.

If it has been written up -- including procedures, etc. -- I
would very much like to see it.

I KNOW that despite years of horticultural folklore, Vitamin B-1
is bad for plants. S'thive allegedly contains it (certainly
smells like it does).

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is
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David Thoreau - Walden

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Chase Rosade is a believer, and, in the quantities he uses, that's an
economic decision.

Bart

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To:
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 9:13 AM
Subject: [IBC] Super Thrive


One of the commercial members of my orchid newsgroup really did a
controlled
experiment with SuperThrive and found that it does work.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)


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One of the commercial members of my orchid newsgroup really
did a
controlled
experiment with SuperThrive and found that it does work.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of
the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

Chase Rosade is a believer, and, in the quantities he uses,
that's an
economic decision.

Bart

Lots of people are 'believers' (in a variety of things). Belief
doesn't make it a fact. (Tho in medicine, there is strong
evidence that a certain amount of belief can have a certain
amount of healing power.)

I tend (in most things) to prefer scientific evidence.

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is
frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry
David Thoreau - Walden

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Hi Jim Lewis,

I KNOW that despite years of horticultural folklore, Vitamin B-1
is bad for plants.

Can you tell me why? Only curious :-)
If you want to... you can be technical about it ;-)

Pedro A.Pereira
Portugal

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Jim Lewis wrote:

snip

Chase Rosade is a believer, and, in the quantities he uses,
that's an
economic decision.

Bart

Lots of people are 'believers' (in a variety of things). Belief
doesn't make it a fact. (Tho in medicine, there is strong
evidence that a certain amount of belief can have a certain
amount of healing power.)

I tend (in most things) to prefer scientific evidence.

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is
frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry
David Thoreau - Walden


Hoo boy--this is bordering on my home turf! Text for this week is John
20:19-31--"Doubting" or as I prefer to call him, "Believing Thomas." Come to
church at 11:15, Jim. We can talk bonsai later. You can come visit my Eastern
White Pine. 80}

Rev. Craig Cowing
NY
Zone 5b/6a

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In a message dated 4/24/2003 8:13:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, writes:

One of the commercial members of my orchid newsgroup really
did a controlled
experiment with SuperThrive and found that it does work.

Well, I am not going to open old wounds. What I will say is that while it would appear at Superthrive has some value, I can state that Root2 liquid produces extraordinary root growth, especially when used with fast-draining soils.

If I had to choose one, it would be Roots.

FWIW and cordially,

Michael Persiano
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Vitamin B-1 is bad for plants.

How do you know?
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

Michael Persiano wrote:

would appear at Superthrive has some value, I can state that Root2 liquid
produces extraordinary root growth, especially when used with
fast-draining soils.
Yes, but very fast draining soils alone are able to promote this kind of
growth.
Questions:
-Could you point me to any controlled experiment using roots2 or similar?
-For improve growth as a whole, there is an interest to improve root growth
if this is the limiting factor. Is it the case?

Regards,

alain

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http://brezhonegbev.free.fr Brezhoneg ar vro vigoudenn war ar rouedad

Michael, do you have a vender/source Roots 2?? Thank you,randi sharprichmond, va

Michael Persiano wrote:In a message dated 4/24/2003 8:13:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, writes:

One of the commercial members of my orchid newsgroup really
did a controlled
experiment with SuperThrive and found that it does work.

Well, I am not going to open old wounds. What I will say is that while it would appear at Superthrive has some value, I can state that Root2 liquid produces extraordinary root growth, especially when used with fast-draining soils.

If I had to choose one, it would be Roots.

FWIW and cordially,

Michael Persiano
members.aol.com/iasnob/index.html

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David at DaSu Bonsai sells roots 2 products. I
beleive it is bonsaitrees.com


I am trying them out for the first time this spring.

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In a message dated 4/24/2003 6:39:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, writes:

Michael, do you have a vender/source Roots 2?? Thank
you,randi sharprichmond, va.

Randi:

800-342-6173.
ROOTSinc Sales, Manufacturing, Administration:
3120 Weatherford Road, Independence MO 64055.
ROOTSinc Research Center:
291 Whitney Ave., New Haven CT 06511

BE ADVISED: YOU WILL NEED ROOT PRUNE YOUR BONSAI MUCH MORE FREQUENTLY IF YOU USE THIS PRODUCT.

Cordially,

Michael Persiano
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I'm a scientist, so like Jim I tend to want to see real hard evidence before
I'm convinced of anything. I use Superthrive because it was recommended when
I started out and I haven't had the nerve to try repotting without.

Having said that, I am pretty convinced there is something to be said for
Superthrive, but not based on anything I've seen with my bonsai.

I had a rambling rose in the garden which for two years was a pitiful sight.
In a last ditch attempt to rescue it, I tipped a bucket of water containing
superthrive on it. Within a week it looked better than it ever had
before,within 3 weeks it was blooming beautifully. The plant prior to this
had produced buds but few opened.

I did the same with a sick looking pyracantha last year and got very similar
results.

Now this isn't a controlled experiment, but in the absence of real data,
observations made on individual subjects are often the only way we can come
to any sort of conclusion.

I've seen enough to make me feel there is something in there that works,
what it is or how it does it I have no idea, and I have no idea if this can
be transferred to the types of species often seen as bonsai.

Jim is correct that Vitamin B1 may harm trees, so can anything in the wrong
amounts, even water! However at the low levels used, who is to say what the
real effect is?

Regards

Mike Bennett. UK

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To:
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 3:06 PM
Subject: [IBC] Super Thrive



One of the commercial members of my orchid newsgroup really
did a
controlled
experiment with SuperThrive and found that it does work.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of
the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

Chase Rosade is a believer, and, in the quantities he uses,
that's an
economic decision.

Bart

Lots of people are 'believers' (in a variety of things). Belief
doesn't make it a fact. (Tho in medicine, there is strong
evidence that a certain amount of belief can have a certain
amount of healing power.)

I tend (in most things) to prefer scientific evidence.

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is
frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry
David Thoreau - Walden


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I'm with you, Jim. Give me just the facts, let me draw my own
conclusion.
Doubting Dan Brinker

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Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 11:37 AM
To:
Subject: [IBC] Super Thrive

Jim Lewis wrote:

snip

Chase Rosade is a believer, and, in the quantities he uses,
that's an
economic decision.

Bart

Lots of people are 'believers' (in a variety of things). Belief
doesn't make it a fact. (Tho in medicine, there is strong
evidence that a certain amount of belief can have a certain
amount of healing power.)

I tend (in most things) to prefer scientific evidence.

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is
frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry
David Thoreau - Walden


Hoo boy--this is bordering on my home turf! Text for this week is John
20:19-31--"Doubting" or as I prefer to call him, "Believing Thomas."
Come to
church at 11:15, Jim. We can talk bonsai later. You can come visit my
Eastern
White Pine. 80}

Rev. Craig Cowing
NY
Zone 5b/6a

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