Hi all,


I have an idea on how IBC can improve the skills of
bonsai beginners. I'm suggesting that people like Jim
or Brent should record sessions of when they are doing
anything with bonsai. We can then upload the video on
to the IBC site and there members can download it. The
sessions could be root pruning, propagation, or
anything that beginners need to know. We can ask for
donation from members to buy the camera if we need
one.

Thanks,
Luc

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I have an idea on how IBC can improve the skills of
bonsai beginners. I'm suggesting that people like Jim
or Brent should record sessions of when they are doing
anything with bonsai. We can then upload the video on
to the IBC site and there members can download it. The
sessions could be root pruning, propagation, or
anything that beginners need to know. We can ask for
donation from members to buy the camera if we need
one.

I'm sure we have members everyone would enjoy seeing at work on a
video -- however, I'M not one of them. ;-) I finished my spring
repotting today with what I am certain is the least attractive
three-tree group any IBCer produced this year. ;-) I'll have to
redo it next year. ;-)

This is a very good idea, however, and I'm forwarding this
message to John Jarrett, our webmaster, for his comments.

If feasible, we could then ask for volunteers to be
vid-subjects -- though I don't think we want to film them when
they "do anything" BIG ;-) .

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - "People,
when Columbus discovered this country, it was plum full of nuts
and berries. And I'm right here to tell you the berries are just
about all gone." -- Uncle Dave Macon, old-time musician

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I'll propose this to Colin.. perhaps short sections from one of our study
groups could be made available.

David J. Bockman, Fairfax, VA (USDA Hardiness Zone 7)
Bunabayashi Bonsai On The World Wide Web: http://www.bunabayashi.com
email:


-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Bonsai Club ]On Behalf
Of luc tran
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 6:12 PM
To:
Subject: [IBC] proposal


Hi all,


I have an idea on how IBC can improve the skills of
bonsai beginners. I'm suggesting that people like Jim
or Brent should record sessions of when they are doing
anything with bonsai. We can then upload the video on
to the IBC site and there members can download it. The
sessions could be root pruning, propagation, or
anything that beginners need to know. We can ask for
donation from members to buy the camera if we need
one

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We could do that....
Colin

From: "David J. Bockman"

I'll propose this to Colin.. perhaps short sections from one of our study
groups could be made available.

-----Original Message-----
Of luc tran
I have an idea on how IBC can improve the skills of
bonsai beginners. I'm suggesting that people like Jim
or Brent should record sessions of when they are doing
anything with bonsai. We can then upload the video on
to the IBC site and there members can download it. The
sessions could be root pruning, propagation, or
anything that beginners need to know. We can ask for
donation from members to buy the camera if we need
one

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Jim Lewis wrote:


I have an idea on how IBC can improve the skills of
bonsai beginners. I'm suggesting that people like Jim
or Brent should record sessions of when they are doing
anything with bonsai. We can then upload the video on
to the IBC site and there members can download it. The
sessions could be root pruning, propagation, or
anything that beginners need to know. We can ask for
donation from members to buy the camera if we need
one.


This is a very good idea, however, and I'm forwarding this
message to John Jarrett, our webmaster, for his comments.



Jim/Fellow list members

I agree that this could be the next step that we take at IBC. Especially with the gallery as it is highlighted that working in two dimensions can be somewhat limiting and if the third dimension can be added by video .. so much the better.

However there are quite severe limitations with the technology at the moment and things that would have to be addressed are as follows :-

We would need a standardised video format to be used. There are at least five different video formats at present and each video format has a series of so called codecs which can be used. the video format/codec combimation dictates which video player the vi
ewer has to have on his/her machine to enable viewing of the video.

A more difficult problem to overcome is the problem of file size. Video files are VERY LARGE. For example ... a video of one minutes duration with sufficient resolution to be useful will be a file of between 10 and 20 mB. This will cause problems in two wa
ys. Firstly ... IBC would have to pay for server storage space for these big files. Secondly ... downloading of these files for viewing will take a very long time for those members who have on modem access to the Internet.

Here are come examples

Type of Access Top download speed Time for download of 10mB

Modem 5-6kB/sec 30 mins
ISDN 20-25kB/sec 10 mins
ADSL/Broadband 100 kB/sec 2 mins

The majoiry of home users do not have anything more than Modem/ISDN yet

But still ... this should not put us off :-))


Regards

Steve Jones


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Oh, yes, oh, yes, oh, yes, please, please, please!!!!!!


Monika
(from Basque Country) forever beginner


----- Original Message -----
From: David J. Bockman
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 2:08 AM
Subject: [IBC] proposal


I'll propose this to Colin.. perhaps short sections from one of our study
groups could be made available.

David J. Bockman, Fairfax, VA (USDA Hardiness Zone 7)
Bunabayashi Bonsai On The World Wide Web: http://www.bunabayashi.com
email:


-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Bonsai Club ]On Behalf
Of luc tran
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 6:12 PM
To:
Subject: [IBC] proposal


Hi all,


I have an idea on how IBC can improve the skills of
bonsai beginners. I'm suggesting that people like Jim
or Brent should record sessions of when they are doing
anything with bonsai. We can then upload the video on
to the IBC site and there members can download it. The
sessions could be root pruning, propagation, or
anything that beginners need to know. We can ask for
donation from members to buy the camera if we need
one


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I have an idea on how IBC can improve the skills of
bonsai beginners. I'm suggesting that people like Jim
or Brent should record sessions of when they are doing
anything with bonsai. We can then upload the video on
to the IBC site and there members can download it. The
sessions could be root pruning, propagation, or
anything that beginners need to know. We can ask for
donation from members to buy the camera if we need
one.

This is a very good idea, however, and I'm forwarding this
message to John Jarrett, our webmaster, for his comments.

Jim/Fellow list members

However there are quite severe limitations with the technology
at the moment and things that would have to be addressed are as
follows :-

We would need a standardised video format to be used.

snip

A more difficult problem to overcome is the problem of file
size. Video files are VERY LARGE.

snip


Here are come examples

snip

Type of Access Top download speed Time for download
of 10mB

Modem 5-6kB/sec 30 mins
ISDN 20-25kB/sec 10 mins
ADSL/Broadband 100 kB/sec 2 mins

The majoiry of home users do not have anything more than
Modem/ISDN yet

snip


Steve Jones

Yes. That (file size) was a concern of webmaster John Jarrett,
both (I think) in terms of web space and managing it on his
machine, if necessary.

Since I know very little (read: NOTHING) about this technology
(or video in general), Steve, maybe you and Dave Bockman could
discuss this with John to see whether these are technologically
surmountable at this moment in our web pages' lives. I've copied
David and John with this message in case they don't see this on
the list.

Colin indicates he is willing. Maybe, rather than someone just
filming him working away, he could script an on-line class; we
could load teaser (but useful) 30-second clips onto the website,
then, if sufficiently teased, folks could download compressed
files that contain the video -- perhaps for a small fee (for
Colin and for the IBC's time and web page). They'd uncompress
and store on their own machines -- with all the legal caveats
about resale, for private use only, etc. etc. etc.

By scripting something, the dead time would be more easily edited
away. We could actually break a class into downloadable
segments; if someone wanted the section on soils and potting, get
that. If they want wiring, get that. Or pruning and pinching,
get that. Want it all? That would be available, too.

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is
frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry
David Thoreau - Walden

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At 8:47 AM -0500 2/27/03, Jim Lewis wrote:
I have an idea on how IBC can improve the skills of
bonsai beginners. I'm suggesting that people like Jim
or Brent should record sessions of when they are doing
anything with bonsai. We can then upload the video on
to the IBC site and there members can download it. The
sessions could be root pruning, propagation, or
anything that beginners need to know. We can ask for
donation from members to buy the camera if we need
one.

This is a very good idea, however, and I'm forwarding this
message to John Jarrett, our webmaster, for his comments.

Jim/Fellow list members
However there are quite severe limitations with the technology
at the moment and things that would have to be addressed are as
follows :-

We would need a standardised video format to be used.
snip

A more difficult problem to overcome is the problem of file
size. Video files are VERY LARGE.

snip

Yes. That (file size) was a concern of webmaster John Jarrett,
both (I think) in terms of web space and managing it on his
machine, if necessary.

snip

Colin indicates he is willing. Maybe, rather than someone just
filming him working away, he could script an on-line class; we
could load teaser (but useful) 30-second clips onto the website,
then, if sufficiently teased, folks could download compressed
files that contain the video -- perhaps for a small fee (for
Colin and for the IBC's time and web page). They'd uncompress
and store on their own machines -- with all the legal caveats
about resale, for private use only, etc. etc. etc.

By scripting something, the dead time would be more easily edited
away. We could actually break a class into downloadable
segments; if someone wanted the section on soils and potting, get
that. If they want wiring, get that. Or pruning and pinching,
get that. Want it all? That would be available, too.

Approaching this from the perspective of a relative newbie, short
close up videos of pruning, pinching, wiring and root pruning would
be more useful than long videos taken from a long shot. This small
work can be hard to see at a class or demo, and still images in books
are useful, but the video would be even more illustrative.

Plus at well under thirty seconds each they would be relatively small files.

I really like the idea of integrating small short videos as
illustrations into a series of online short courses. Use the video
only where it is needed, viewing a tree in 3d can be done with gif89
or quicktime3d images.
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