Hi Bart:

Go for it Bart.... If it is almost there why not let the tree tell you
hpow it wants to grow. You just have to nudge it along.... I think the
Texas Ebony are a really lovely fun tree. I am pretty sure they are of
the same family as the Brazilian Rain tree, and both trees are to be
enjoyed year round. I do keep mine on propagation mats and they do not
just survive indoors, but are thriving all winter.... 8-)


Carl L. Rosner - near Atlantic City zone 6/7

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Bart Thomas wrote:

I have a texas ebony that is a natural (no changes in planting angle or
serious branch bending) semi-cascade.

With clip and grow, it could grow into a full two stage cascade.

Has anyone seen this in nature? I don't want a "forced" effect.

Thanks.

Bart





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Carl L Rosner wrote:

Hi Bart:

Go for it Bart.... If it is almost there why not let the tree tell you
hpow it wants to grow. You just have to nudge it along.... I think the
Texas Ebony are a really lovely fun tree. I am pretty sure they are of
the same family as the Brazilian Rain tree, and both trees are to be
enjoyed year round. I do keep mine on propagation mats and they do not
just survive indoors, but are thriving all winter.... 8-)

Carl L. Rosner - near Atlantic City zone 6/7

http://bmee.net/rosner

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I've got a bougainvilla that is doing the same thing. It's a rooted cutting, and I've just
let it grow wild. It's naturally a vine anyway so I think it's natural for it to do this,
but it kinda tipped over and is now in a semi-cascade position and actually looks pretty
good. I guess I'm thinking I should work with what the tree wants to do naturally. You
can't do that all the time, but if it wants to be a semi-cascade, milk it for all it's
worth.

Craig Cowing
NY
Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37

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I agree with Craig. Don't fight it. -I have a Point Reyes ceanothus (C.
gloriosus) that really wants to be a semi-cascade style. That's fine by me.


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AHS Heat Zone 4
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"Craig Cowing" wrote in message
...
Carl L Rosner wrote:

Hi Bart:

Go for it Bart.... If it is almost there why not let the tree tell you
hpow it wants to grow. You just have to nudge it along.... I think the
Texas Ebony are a really lovely fun tree. I am pretty sure they are of
the same family as the Brazilian Rain tree, and both trees are to be
enjoyed year round. I do keep mine on propagation mats and they do not
just survive indoors, but are thriving all winter.... 8-)

Carl L. Rosner - near Atlantic City zone 6/7

http://bmee.net/rosner


http://www.jamesbaird.com/cgi-bin/Ja...page&artistid=
0000006848

http://www.jamesbaird.com/cgi-bin/Ja..._page&artistid
=0000006848


I've got a bougainvilla that is doing the same thing. It's a rooted
cutting, and I've just
let it grow wild. It's naturally a vine anyway so I think it's natural
for it to do this,
but it kinda tipped over and is now in a semi-cascade position and
actually looks pretty
good. I guess I'm thinking I should work with what the tree wants to do
naturally. You
can't do that all the time, but if it wants to be a semi-cascade, milk it
for all it's
worth.

Craig Cowing
NY
Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37


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So how and when do you prune your ceanothus to get it to bloom?

Kitsune Miko

rschmitt23 wrote:
I agree with Craig. Don't fight it. -I have a Point Reyes ceanothus (C.
gloriosus) that really wants to be a semi-cascade style. That's fine by me.


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Cold Hardiness Zone 10b
AHS Heat Zone 4
Sunset Climate Zone 22


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A good question. I haven't been able to find out much about care of potted
ceanothus. The info on the Web is geared toward landscape uses of these plants.
Evidently Ceanothus spp. are touchy plants and don't take to root and branch
pruning easily. That's part of the challenge in making bonsai of these guys. So
far this season I've managed to kill a C. impressus 'Vandenberg' and a C. 'Julia
Phelps'. However, I've had better luck in repotting the Point Reyes as well as a
C. thrysiflorus 'Skylark', a C. foliosa 'Concha' and a C. foliosa 'Wheeler
Canyon'. These last two I got at Las Pilatis nursery, a native plant outfit near
Santa Margarita, CA. These were all 3 gallon plants. Early last September I
carefully combed out about 75% of the nursery soil while trying to minimize root
damage. I left the roots unpruned. I repotted in 10-inch diameter plastic pots
using a 50/50 organic/inorganic soil mix: (1) Turface MVP (+12/-4), (1) Oil-Dri
(+12/-4), (1) Supersoil (+12/-8) and (1) composted redwood (unsieved). I figured
50/50 was a good place to start even though some species of ceanothus are found
growing in pure beach sand. So far these four plants appear healthy (my fingers
are crossed).

Regarding the question about pruning and blooming, I'll wait until next March to
tackle that issue. I'm just feeling my way here. Any help and/or advice is
appreciated.

Ray Schmitt, Aliso Viejo, CA
Cold Hardiness Zone 10b
AHS Heat Zone 4
Sunset Climate Zone 22






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To:
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:20 PM
Subject: [IBC] Texas Ebony cascade??


So how and when do you prune your ceanothus to get it to bloom?

Kitsune Miko

rschmitt23 wrote:
I agree with Craig. Don't fight it. -I have a Point Reyes ceanothus (C.
gloriosus) that really wants to be a semi-cascade style. That's fine by me.


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Cold Hardiness Zone 10b
AHS Heat Zone 4
Sunset Climate Zone 22


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Hi all,

I've been working on four Texas Ebony for the last 3-4 years. Does any one
know of any picture of a mature Texas ebony bonsai?

Have a good day

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Hi all,

I've been working on four Texas Ebony for the last 3-4 years. Does any one
know of any picture of a mature Texas ebony bonsai?


A fine specimen can be seen at:

http://www.wimberley-tx.com/~bonsaijg/tree.html

another at:

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/P...texasebony.jpg

(Scroll down to the bottom of the page.)

I have two texas ebony, and the largest trunk is about 1/2 inch. The one in
the Brooklyn Botanic Garden is smaller.

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Hi all,

Bart, thanks for the URL.

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/P...texasebony.jpg

How old is this one? Have you grown this one from seed?

Thanks again

Kind regards

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I don't THINK Texas Ebony and Raintree are same family ( although I'm too
lazy to research it) they just look similar, but, if anyone is sure about it
I'll store the knowledge away :)
I have a TE that I bought at a nursery in Phoenix in 1985. It was large and
wild. They sell them for landscaping but I don't think they are very
atractive in natural arid land growing state. Does anyone know how/why
these migrated over to Florida?Mine was tall with several straight shoots. I
cut it way back to train as bonsai. Probably 90% of it is gone. It has done
fabulous over the years in the house in winter, as well as ones I've brought
back from the certainly more tropical southern Florida ( where Barts came
from). San Antonio, Texas' late , and well respected, nursery owners used
to have some nice specimens years ago! I remember seeing some great, and
fairly large, ones in Dallas area at Dream Gardens a couple years ago during
the Kimura/Dream Gardens symposium.
I was suprised at the onset however that once trained into a bonsai pot if
let to go dry it rains leaves ( probably a good defensive move in
Arizona/Texas deserts! So I am careful to keep watered in the house. It
Flourishes outside in summer, but, very slow growing trunk. Mine has not
gotten much bigger in 18 years.
Dale Cochoy

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From: "Carl L Rosner"
Subject: [IBC] Texas Ebony cascade??


Hi Bart:
Go for it Bart.... If it is almost there why not let the tree tell you
hpow it wants to grow. You just have to nudge it along.... I think the
Texas Ebony are a really lovely fun tree. I am pretty sure they are of
the same family as the Brazilian Rain tree, and both trees are to be
enjoyed year round. I do keep mine on propagation mats and they do not
just survive indoors, but are thriving all winter.... 8-)
Carl L. Rosner - near Atlantic City zone 6/7

Bart Thomas wrote:
I have a texas ebony that is a natural (no changes in planting angle or
serious branch bending) semi-cascade.
With clip and grow, it could grow into a full two stage cascade.
Has anyone seen this in nature? I don't want a "forced" effect.
Thanks.
Bart

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Thanks for the links Bart.
Good sized TE's specimens.
I remember seeing a pretty big, beautiful one years ago at the Chicago show
but don't know whose it was. It was the nicest one I've seen personally. As
I recall, it had a lot of carved area to the front.
Mine has never flowered in Ohio.
BTW, can an English Yew survive in San Antonio?? I was suprised to see that
pic at Jade Garden site.
Dale

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bart Thomas"
Subject: [IBC] Texas Ebony cascade??
.. Does any one
know of any picture of a mature Texas ebony bonsai?

A fine specimen can be seen at:

http://www.wimberley-tx.com/~bonsaijg/tree.html

another at:

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/P...texasebony.jpg

(Scroll down to the bottom of the page.)

I have two texas ebony, and the largest trunk is about 1/2 inch. The one
in
the Brooklyn Botanic Garden is smaller.

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I don't THINK Texas Ebony and Raintree are same family (
although I'm too
lazy to research it) they just look similar, but, if anyone is
sure about it
I'll store the knowledge away :)

Start storing. ;-)

They're even the same Genus. Texas ebony is Pithecellobium
ebano. Brazilian raintree is P. tortum.

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - The phrase
'sustainable growth' is an oxymoron. - Stephen Viederman

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Sorry for entering this discussion so late. I've got a nice Texas ebony in
a slant style that is probably one or two years away from being "finished".
It has about a 1.5 inch trunk, fissured bark and stands about sixteen inches
high. I posted a picture of it on the gallery a couple of weeks ago.

They can be finicky with respect to watering, and especially when you are
doing root work. The common response is to drop all their leaves. I have
heard that they will sometimes go "naked" for an entire year before they put
out new leaves. Mine has only dropped all its leaves once, however, and
that was for about one month in response to some drastic root pruning. In
the winter, I let it experience some brief periods (a day or two at a time)
of temperatures in the 30's, but mostly try to keep it above 50 degrees.

Blessings,

Tim



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To:
Subject: [IBC] Texas Ebony cascade??


I don't THINK Texas Ebony and Raintree are same family ( although I'm too
lazy to research it) they just look similar, but, if anyone is sure about it
I'll store the knowledge away :) I have a TE that I bought at a nursery in
Phoenix in 1985. It was large and wild. They sell them for landscaping but
I don't think they are very atractive in natural arid land growing state.
Does anyone know how/why these migrated over to Florida?Mine was tall with
several straight shoots. I cut it way back to train as bonsai. Probably 90%
of it is gone. It has done fabulous over the years in the house in winter,
as well as ones I've brought back from the certainly more tropical southern
Florida ( where Barts came from). San Antonio, Texas' late , and well
respected, nursery owners used to have some nice specimens years ago! I
remember seeing some great, and fairly large, ones in Dallas area at Dream
Gardens a couple years ago during the Kimura/Dream Gardens symposium. I
was suprised at the onset however that once trained into a bonsai pot if let
to go dry it rains leaves ( probably a good defensive move in Arizona/Texas
deserts! So I am careful to keep watered in the house. It Flourishes
outside in summer, but, very slow growing trunk. Mine has not gotten much
bigger in 18 years. Dale Cochoy

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From: "Carl L Rosner"
Subject: [IBC] Texas Ebony cascade??


Hi Bart:
Go for it Bart.... If it is almost there why not let the tree tell
you hpow it wants to grow. You just have to nudge it along.... I
think the Texas Ebony are a really lovely fun tree. I am pretty sure
they are of the same family as the Brazilian Rain tree, and both trees
are to be enjoyed year round. I do keep mine on propagation mats and
they do not just survive indoors, but are thriving all winter.... 8-)
Carl L. Rosner - near Atlantic City zone 6/7

Bart Thomas wrote:
I have a texas ebony that is a natural (no changes in planting angle
or serious branch bending) semi-cascade. With clip and grow, it could
grow into a full two stage cascade. Has anyone seen this in nature? I
don't want a "forced" effect. Thanks.
Bart

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