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[IBC] out of print: which do you want re-published?
Okay . . . of the humongous number of bonsai books that are now
out of print, which would you all like to see re-published? Dan Barton's "The Bonsai Book" would have been highest on my list, but I found an old edition for under $50 the other day. But for everyone else who does not have it, I'll keep it leading my list. It is one of the classics and most useful of them all. Another that would be high on my list (and that I do NOT have) would be John Naka's "Bonsai Techniques for Satsuki" Who knows, after we have a list put together maybe some enterprising publisher(s) will buy the rights to one or more of them. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - The phrase 'sustainable growth' is an oxymoron. - Stephen Viederman ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] out of print: which do you want re-published?
I agree with you, Jim, that "The Bonsai Book," is a gem and classic - my
favorite. Highly useful and inspiring. Also, before anyone brings it up, Nick Lenz's "Bonsai From the Wild" is already in reProduction. It will be a while, but it's coming back. Kind regards, Andy Rutledge zone 8, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Lewis" Okay . . . of the humongous number of bonsai books that are now out of print, which would you all like to see re-published? Dan Barton's "The Bonsai Book" would have been highest on my list, but I found an old edition for under $50 the other day. But for everyone else who does not have it, I'll keep it leading my list. It is one of the classics and most useful of them all. Another that would be high on my list (and that I do NOT have) would be John Naka's "Bonsai Techniques for Satsuki" Who knows, after we have a list put together maybe some enterprising publisher(s) will buy the rights to one or more of them. Jim Lewis ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] out of print: which do you want re-published?
I have 3 of Naka's books. I keep going back to them again and again. The other is the Murata books that I can't find in the house right now. They are so out of print that Amazon doesn't list them.
Kitsune Miko Jim Lewis wrote: Okay . . . of the humongous number of bonsai books that are now out of print, which would you all like to see re-published? ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] out of print: which do you want re-published?
Dorothy S. Young's Bonsai:The Art and Technique is useful and nearly
impossible to find. I finally coughed up (after nearly choking) $100.00 for this book as it was one of the very few "major" bonsai books I didn't already own. Best Regards, Dan Avrin You're the prettiest thing I ever did see; Really love your peaches, want to shake your tree. ;-) ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] out of print: which do you want re-published?
How about Peter Adam's book on Japanese Maples?
Glad to hear that Nick Lenz's book is being reproduced too. Bill Neff Topeka, KS ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] out of print: which do you want re-published?
Dorothy S. Young's Bonsai:The Art and Technique is useful and
nearly impossible to find. I finally coughed up (after nearly choking) $100.00 for this book as it was one of the very few "major" bonsai books I didn't already own. Yes. This would be on my list, too. Don't think I'd fork out that much for it . . . but I might. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - The phrase 'sustainable growth' is an oxymoron. - Stephen Viederman ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] out of print: which do you want re-published?
I have 3 of Naka's books. I keep going back to them again and
again. The other is the Murata books that I can't find in the house right now. They are so out of print that Amazon doesn't list them. But Bonsai Techniques I and II aren't really out of print, are they? I see them everywhere. What's your third one? Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - The phrase 'sustainable growth' is an oxymoron. - Stephen Viederman ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] out of print: which do you want re-published?
How about Peter Adam's book on Japanese Maples?
That's a good one. It went out of print so quickly, I never even got to look at it. His "The Art of Bonsai" is another that might be reprintable. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - The phrase 'sustainable growth' is an oxymoron. - Stephen Viederman ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] out of print: which do you want re-published?
I would like to see Peter Adams' various 'Bonsai Design' and 'Art of Bonsai'
books republished since feel that they do an excellent job of conveying both artistic concepts and the work over a period of years to bring out what the artist sees in the trees. Optimally, all of the books would be done in one or two volumes - a bit more costly to buy, but probably less expensive for the publisher to do. Marty - Spokane WA ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] out of print: which do you want re-published?
In a message dated 11/14/2003 8:08:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
writes: Dan Barton's "The Bonsai Book" would have been highest on my list, but I found an old edition for under $50 the other day. I have this one, signed by the author. An old friend passed away and left me the book. I got Dan to sign it on a Florida tour. Billy on the Florida Space Coast ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] out of print: which do you want re-published?
If I recall our conversations correctly, Peter didn't see much $ for having
that book printed. 'Bonsai Design: Japanese Maples' was only one of the three design books he wrote. 'Bonsai Design: Scots Pine-Common Juniper-Japanese Larch' was the first, privately printed in what I can only presume was very small numbers. 'Bonsai Design: Japanese Maples' was the second, and 'Bonsai Design: Deciduous and Coniferous Trees' was the third. ALL are outstanding, all are OOP and becoming quite difficult to find. I would love to see 'The Art of Bonsai' updated and rereleased. Bill Valavanis wrote one on Japanese White Pine that I have never seen but would love to get my hands on. The other dream would be to have all ten volumes of 'Photos of Now Famous Bonsai', which were printed in Japan but also contained english 'subtitles' to the photographic plates. David J. Bockman, Fairfax, VA (USDA Hardiness Zone 7) Bunabayashi Bonsai On The World Wide Web: http://www.bunabayashi.com email: -----Original Message----- From: Internet Bonsai Club ]On Behalf Of Bill Neff Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 9:21 PM To: Subject: [IBC] out of print: which do you want re-published? How about Peter Adam's book on Japanese Maples? ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] out of print: which do you want re-published?
I have the azalea one
Kits Jim Lewis wrote: I have 3 of Naka's books. I keep going back to them again and again. The other is the Murata books that I can't find in the house right now. They are so out of print that Amazon doesn't list them. But Bonsai Techniques I and II aren't really out of print, are they? I see them everywhere. What's your third one? Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - The phrase 'sustainable growth' is an oxymoron. - Stephen Viederman ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] out of print: which do you want re-published?
Of course what we really want is Dan's NEW book which he has been saying is
coming for a couple of years now. Apparently it will be a lot more about design lke Andy's web book. You can often pick up a copy of the old one on amazon for a reasonable price. "Billy M. Rhodes" wrote in message ... In a message dated 11/14/2003 8:08:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, writes: Dan Barton's "The Bonsai Book" would have been highest on my list, but I found an old edition for under $50 the other day. I have this one, signed by the author. An old friend passed away and left me the book. I got Dan to sign it on a Florida tour. Billy on the Florida Space Coast ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] out of print: which do you want re-published?
Optimally, all of the books would be done in one
or two volumes - a bit more costly to buy, but probably less expensive for the publisher to do. Goodness! What a great idea. That way, you'd only need one set of intro, how-to-do-a-bonsai chapters which everyone seems obligated to put into their books. "A Peter Adams Anthology". YES! Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - The phrase 'sustainable growth' is an oxymoron. - Stephen Viederman ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] out of print: which do you want re-published?
For all my earlier books, I buy from www.alibris.com and
they've never disappointed me. You should be able to find 90% the out of books you want there. T. Jones, heart of flatland country, IL 1. Please snip extraneous material out of your replies. Thanks! 2. Not all of them -- at least not affordably. Barton's book usually goes for near $100, and Dorothy Young's has -- thus far -- been all but unobtainable. Naka's exists in too few original copies to ever appear on a bookstore's inventory. The idea here is to make some of these classics available to all -- at a reasonable price, especially to newcomers to the sport who don't know them. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - The phrase 'sustainable growth' is an oxymoron. - Stephen Viederman ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] out of print: which do you want re-published?
Hi Folks
I've been following this with interest. But ultimately the difficulty is that any reprinting would need to be full colour, high quality, wouldn't it? And a publisher would need to be looking at substantial sales to even recoup production and printing costs. The anthology idea is neat for a reader, but a problem for a publisher. As the extent of the book is enlarged, the production costs are too. It seems (to me, only as an editor, not a techo production person) that the economies of scale are only there when you can get good sales numbers. Making fatter books just increases the cost of production. Probably what could be done is to secure the rights and reproduce things as pdf files - the production costs are much, much less. But then they wouldn't be those beautiful, interesting, useful objects I love so much. The only answer, I suspect is to have bonsai ( and bonsai book buying) become much more popular, so that the projected number of sales entices a publisher into taking something on. I'd love to hear of a way of doing it, otherwise. All the books quoted make me salivate at the thought of a reprint! Cheers Rob ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] out of print: which do you want re-published?
Hi Folks
I've been following this with interest. But ultimately the difficulty is that any reprinting would need to be full colour, high quality, wouldn't it? And a publisher would need to be looking at substantial sales to even recoup production and printing costs. The anthology idea is neat for a reader, but a problem for a publisher. As the extent of the book is enlarged, the production costs are too. It seems (to me, only as an editor, not a techo production person) that the economies of scale are only there when you can get good sales numbers. Making fatter books just increases the cost of production. Well, all that is true -- unfortunately -- but one or two publishers (Sterling comes to mind in the USA) seem to think that there is SOME money to be made in bonsai books (mostly -- unfortunately --copy-cat beginner's books that all go over the same information with more or less the same quility and amount of detail). There _could_ be an incentive for these publishers to re-print (then keep in print [or available on disk -- something like a print-on-demand scheme]) a few books that are actually GOOD. In the age of computers, there is less hassle in keeping the page layouts, etc. around than there used to be with large paste-ups, and bulky plates. You could keep most of these books we've been talkng about stored on a single CD. And yes, I eagerly await a look at Dan Barton's "new" book. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - The phrase 'sustainable growth' is an oxymoron. - Stephen Viederman ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] out of print: which do you want re-published?
Robert Moore wrote:
Hi Folks I've been following this with interest. But ultimately the difficulty is that any reprinting would need to be full colour, high quality, wouldn't it? And a publisher would need to be looking at substantial sales to even recoup production and printing costs. The anthology idea is neat for a reader, but a problem for a publisher. As the extent of the book is enlarged, the production costs are too. It seems (to me, only as an editor, not a techo production person) that the economies of scale are only there when you can get good sales numbers. Making fatter books just increases the cost of production. snip All the books quoted make me salivate at the thought of a reprint! Cheers Rob I had a friend in Maine who had a small publishing company, and he used to say that the first book cost $10,000, the rest were free--implying of course, that the greatest expense is in the setup. Then you're left with the problem of selling the books to recover the cost. Craig Cowing NY Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] out of print: which do you want re-published?
Andy Rutledge wrote:
I agree with you, Jim, that "The Bonsai Book," is a gem and classic - my favorite. Highly useful and inspiring. Also, before anyone brings it up, Nick Lenz's "Bonsai From the Wild" is already in reProduction. It will be a while, but it's coming back. Kind regards, Andy Rutledge zone 8, Texas I'm not familiar with Barton's book, but I agree with Andy about Nick Lenz's book. I'm glad to hear it's going to be republished. I'd buy the newer edition of Lenz were to add any more photos or text. Craig Cowing NY zone 5b/6a Sunset 37 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] out of print: which do you want re-published?
----- Original Message ----- I'm not familiar with Barton's book, but I
agree with Andy about Nick Lenz's book. I'm glad to hear it's going to be republished. I'd buy the newer edition of Lenz were to add any more photos or text. That seems to be the plan. When is another matter. He was still looking for (more) photos last month. That's one reason why I am not jumping to cash in on the high prices that the first edition is bringing on eBay (Last seen $114). ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] out of print: which do you want re-published?
Greetings,
I have been following this with much interest. I really don't know if this has some interest to you, but... around Portugal, generally, an expensive book it's a book that stays in the bookshelf, in the library! Lets say that in 100 books you would only sell about 5 or 6! It has been a problem around here... of course those who are really interested would buy... but a sell out it's better than a 5er sell! :-) Just for an idea, one that was a success around here, and it was kind'a "expensive", was: The Bonsai Handbook from: David Prescott and consulting Colin Lewis Sold at about 23 euros (more or less 23 US Dollars) Pedro Amorim Pereira _ Porto - Portugal http://sapp.telepac.pt/bonsai-pt/ http://www.geocities.com/pedropereira.geo ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] out of print: which do you want re-published?
Bart Thomas wrote:
----- Original Message ----- I'm not familiar with Barton's book, but I agree with Andy about Nick Lenz's book. I'm glad to hear it's going to be republished. I'd buy the newer edition of Lenz were to add any more photos or text. That seems to be the plan. When is another matter. He was still looking for (more) photos last month. Any time frame on this? Two, five years? That's one reason why I am not jumping to cash in on the high prices that the first edition is bringing on eBay (Last seen $114). Well, what I might do is hold on to mine until the new one is about to come out, and sell then! Craig Cowing NY Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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