Folks,
I was at our local "Safety Store" the other day and got some great #5 welding gogles for looking at kiln firing cones ( finally I can see them) .
While I was there I got looking at Kevlar and other gloves for carving protection. That left hand is always vulnerable while power wood carving and has been knicked in more than one instance. The owner recommended the stainless steel thread gloves ( reeee
eally fine wire covered with synthetic yarn) over the Kevlar and says most butchers and wood carvers around here use them. Dexterity was pretty darn good. Sold as ambidextrous single gloves about $8.95.
I got one.
I also bought a pair of Kevlar to try. They are much cheaper at about $4.00 for a PAIR ( even though both gloves are ambidextrous), thinner and even better dexterity. You can get the Kevlar with or without the tiny neoprene (?) "sticky dots" all over them
which come on a coarser weaved glove.. Although they grip like an octopus I think they lose some dexterity.
I seem to remember seeing Ernie using some Kevlar gloves somewhere. If so, How do you like them Ernie?
I was bothered by a safety note on the stainless steel cloth gloves warning against using with "Moving or toothed cutters".....
Oh Heck! They weren't talking to me! :)
I rationalized that the cutters I use aren't really "Toothed" so would probably not snag on them or the Kevlar knit.
Regards,
Dale Cochoy, Wild Things Bonsai Studio, Hartville, Ohio
http://www.WildThingsBonsai.Com
Specializing in power wood carving tools.
Yakimono no Kokoro bonsai pottery of hand-built stoneware

************************************************** ******************************
++++Sponsored, in part, by Jarbas Godoy ++++
************************************************** ******************************
-- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ --
+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++

Dale,
Let us know how the gloves work. This would be a very nice safety feature.
Jerry Meislik
Whitefish Montana USA
Zone 4-5
http://www.bonsaihunk.8m.com/
I seem to remember seeing Ernie using some Kevlar gloves somewhere. If so, How
do you like them Ernie?
I was bothered by a safety note on the stainless steel cloth gloves warning
against using with "Moving or toothed cutters".....
Oh Heck! They weren't talking to me! :)
I rationalized that the cutters I use aren't really "Toothed" so would
probably not snag on them or the Kevlar knit.
Regards,
Dale Cochoy, Wild Things Bonsai Studio, Hartville, Ohio

************************************************** ******************************
++++Sponsored, in part, by Jarbas Godoy ++++
************************************************** ******************************
-- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ --
+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Meislik"
Subject: [IBC] bonsai wood carving gloves


Dale,
Let us know how the gloves work. This would be a very nice safety feature.
Jerry Meislik

Jerry,
I think I'll need to shove my hand into a working cutter before I can let
you know!!
Ha!
Dale

************************************************** ******************************
++++Sponsored, in part, by Jarbas Godoy ++++
************************************************** ******************************
-- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ --
+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Meislik"
Subject: [IBC] bonsai wood carving gloves


Dale,
Let us know how the gloves work. This would be a very nice safety feature.
Jerry Meislik

Jerry,
I think I'll need to shove my hand into a working cutter before I can let
you know!!
Ha!
Dale

************************************************** ******************************
++++Sponsored, in part, by Jarbas Godoy ++++
************************************************** ******************************
-- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ --
+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++

Friends:

I am not an advocate of wearing gloves while using high-speed carving tools.
Even if the cutter does not have teeth, the exceedingly high spinning
attachments can easily connect with a glove and draw your hand or fingers into the
cutting/spinning mechanism. The result can be quite painful and damaging.

Beyond the potential for injury that results from wearing gloves, I find that
I simply lose the connection between myself and the tree. I need to feel the
action of the carving tool to create the desired effect. Gloves seem to
construct a barrier for me in this sense.

Regardless, gloves will not eliminate the potential for injury. My
recommendation is that you ALWAYS use a power pedal to control the speed of the tool.
If something happens, one can readily stop the power tool. You will find that
virtually all power tools will work via a universal power pedal. Such a pedal
can be ordered from Dale and numerous manufacturers.

Cordially,

Michael Persiano
http://members.aol.com/iasnob/index.html

************************************************** ******************************
++++Sponsored, in part, by Jarbas Godoy ++++
************************************************** ******************************
-- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ --
+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++

So what's the result?
Jerry Meislik
Whitefish Montana USA
Zone 4-5
http://www.bonsaihunk.8m.com/
Dale,
Let us know how the gloves work. This would be a very nice safety feature.
Jerry Meislik

Jerry,
I think I'll need to shove my hand into a working cutter before I can let
you know!!
Ha!
Dale



************************************************** ******************************
++++Sponsored, in part, by Jarbas Godoy ++++
************************************************** ******************************
-- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ --
+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++

As a "sometimes" wood butcher, I have been saved on numerous occasions by
these kind of things. The stainless steel/kevlar yarn works very nicely
as long as you do not put the point of your knife or small gouge through the
weave. One small tip tho, These gloves are also sold in fishing gear shops
as fish cleaning gloves. there was a substantial difference in the price
at the time.

Ted the plant killer

In article 026301c3b84b$eabfc440$0430fea9@dalespc,
dalecochoy wrote:
Folks,
I was at our local "Safety Store" the other day and got some great #5
welding gogles for looking at kiln firing cones ( finally I can see
them) .
While I was there I got looking at Kevlar and other gloves for carving
protection. That left hand is always vulnerable while power wood carving
and has been knicked in more than one instance. The owner recommended
the stainless steel thread gloves ( reeeeeally fine wire covered with
synthetic yarn) over the Kevlar and says most butchers and wood carvers
around here use them. Dexterity was pretty darn good. Sold as
ambidextrous single gloves about $8.95.
I got one.
I also bought a pair of Kevlar to try. They are much cheaper at about
$4.00 for a PAIR ( even though both gloves are ambidextrous), thinner
and even better dexterity. You can get the Kevlar with or without the
tiny neoprene (?) "sticky dots" all over them which come on a coarser
weaved glove.. Although they grip like an octopus I think they lose some
dexterity.
I seem to remember seeing Ernie using some Kevlar gloves somewhere. If
so, How do you like them Ernie?
I was bothered by a safety note on the stainless steel cloth gloves
warning against using with "Moving or toothed cutters".....
Oh Heck! They weren't talking to me! :)
I rationalized that the cutters I use aren't really "Toothed" so would
probably not snag on them or the Kevlar knit.
Regards,
Dale Cochoy, Wild Things Bonsai Studio, Hartville, Ohio
http://www.WildThingsBonsai.Com
Specializing in power wood carving tools.
Yakimono no Kokoro bonsai pottery of hand-built stoneware

************************************************* *******************************
++++Sponsored, in part, by Jarbas Godoy ++++
************************************************* *******************************
-- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ --
+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Meislik"
Subject: [IBC] bonsai wood carving gloves


So what's the result?
Jerry Meislik

Ha!
Jerry, Give me some time to do some "day-dreaming" while I'm carving! :)
Dale

Dale,
Let us know how the gloves work. This would be a very nice safety
feature.
Jerry Meislik

Jerry,
I think I'll need to shove my hand into a working cutter before I can
let
you know!!
Ha!
Dale

************************************************** ******************************
++++Sponsored, in part, by Jarbas Godoy ++++
************************************************** ******************************
-- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ --
+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++

Thanks for the note Mike,

First let me ask, have you ever got a carving tool caught in a glove? I'm
wondering if you actually had this experience.?

Second, I wasn't praising their use, telling people it was the new "to
do" thing, or even recommending it, I was just noting that I thought I'd
give it a try and see, and wondered if others had experience.
Again, I'M NOT RECOMMENDING IT, JUST THOUGHT I'D GIVE IT A TRY!
I know I'm going to be sorry I even mentioned it. I shoulda just got the
gloves and used them quietly :)

I think you may have misunderstood the comment about ONE GLOVE. It goes of
the LEFT hand ( If you are right handed) so you are not controlling the tool
with a gloved hand. The tool is held in the ungloved hand. I ALWAYS
recommend to beginner carvers to have a "Link" between both hands, even if
touching one with your pinky, control goes WAY UP versus either holding the
tool with both hands( poor control) or one hand on tool and one ( gloved)
hand on the work but no contact between the two.
I do LOTS of carving and thouight about the snag issue before I purchased. I
finally decided that most things I use won't have that "snagability".
Perhaps I'm wrong, I shall experiment.
As for the peddles ala Foredoms peddle, I DON'T sell them ( I don't sell
Foredoms) and rarely use my own. When I first got it I installed a few
hangers around the overhead on my deck where I do most of my work. I just
don't like moving it around or having it hang there. I just prefer the die
grinder, each to his own. I know several people who prefer Foredom-like
carvers, but , have you ever seen one used in a convention workshop?? I
haven't. "Portability" causes my money to go to the die grinder over
Foredom. But, if you want TWO carving setups or stations, one at home and
one on-the-go and can leave your foredom setup where you usually work, then
you might want to go that way.
I can recommend getting a router bit speed control which your die grinder
just plugs into and speed is set with a knob. They are about $40ish dollars
at a good hardware store that sells power tools. But, again, I rarely use
it. Most of the serious carving tools , such as "Samurai" lose a lot of
effectiveness if speeds are too low. Fine-tune carving can be done with
burrs or Dremel-type carvers which have variable speeds also.
I REALLY recommend the DeWAlt carver over the Makita. It has that great
dead-man switch, a great shape with "sticky" snout and is a better quality
built machine, but, costs about $50ish more dollars. I sell both, I own a
Makita ( For YEEEAARRS) . If it burns up I'll either get the Heavy Duty
Makita w/ metal case or the DeWalt to Replace it.

Regards,
Dale

Original Message -----
From: "Michael Persiano"
Subject: [IBC] bonsai wood carving gloves


Friends:

I am not an advocate of wearing gloves while using high-speed carving
tools.
Even if the cutter does not have teeth, the exceedingly high spinning
attachments can easily connect with a glove and draw your hand or fingers
into the
cutting/spinning mechanism. The result can be quite painful and damaging.

Beyond the potential for injury that results from wearing gloves, I find
that
I simply lose the connection between myself and the tree. I need to feel
the
action of the carving tool to create the desired effect. Gloves seem to
construct a barrier for me in this sense.

Regardless, gloves will not eliminate the potential for injury. My
recommendation is that you ALWAYS use a power pedal to control the speed
of the tool.
If something happens, one can readily stop the power tool. You will find
that
virtually all power tools will work via a universal power pedal. Such a
pedal
can be ordered from Dale and numerous manufacturers.

Cordially,

Michael Persiano

************************************************** ******************************
++++Sponsored, in part, by Jarbas Godoy ++++
************************************************** ******************************
-- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ --
+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++

Ted,
Thanks,
Yes, I forgot to mention they are not "Pick Proof", a sharp point goes
through, but knife blades won't cut through. Very important "point" eh?! :)
Dale

----- Original Message -----
From: "ted kell"
Subject: [IBC] bonsai wood carving gloves


As a "sometimes" wood butcher, I have been saved on numerous occasions by
these kind of things. The stainless steel/kevlar yarn works very nicely
as long as you do not put the point of your knife or small gouge through
the
weave. One small tip tho, These gloves are also sold in fishing gear
shops
as fish cleaning gloves. there was a substantial difference in the price
at the time.

Ted the plant killer

************************************************** ******************************
++++Sponsored, in part, by Jarbas Godoy ++++
************************************************** ******************************
-- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ --
+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++

In a message dated 12/2/2003 1:43:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, writes:

First let me ask, have you ever got a carving tool caught
in a glove? I'm
wondering if you actually had this experience.?

Dale:

Unfortunately, the answer is yes. );-) And I have stabbed myself more than once with Japanese gravers.

I was using the Foredom, and the cloth got tangled in one of the hand pieces. I think the probably of such occurrences is less with a Makita based on the way it secures the cutting piece.

Regardless, my opinion is simply one of the many. );-) I find that I work move attentively without gloves (for obvious reasons).

You advise is always valuable, and I was simply presenting one of my many biased views. );-))

Cordially,

Michael

************************************************** ******************************
++++Sponsored, in part, by Jarbas Godoy ++++
************************************************** ******************************
-- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ --
+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++