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marty haber 12-02-2004 03:23 PM

[IBC] Pruning Prior to First Major Trunk Chop?
 
Hi Blake! You've solved your first bonsai problem ...
thinking. Part of bonsai is understanding the way a tree works: and that's
what you're trying to do. Some of us old timers have come to the conclusion
that we must start with older trees which already have thick trunks and good
buttresses. The time it takes for this to happen seems interminable ( if
you're 81 years old).
However - the satisfaction of seeing your efforts come to fruition over a
good many years is worth a great deal. Your idea of unrestrained growth
for a few years is fine.
And you may plant your A.p. in the ground rather than in a pot during this
time. Just place a flat tile under the roots to encourage lateral growth.
As for trunk chopping; you should wait until you have acquired the desired
girth before doing it - and be sure you have sufficient adventitious
branching BELOW the cut. Good luck.
Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Blake and Jennifer Wilkins"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 1:03 AM
Subject: [IBC] Pruning Prior to First Major Trunk Chop?


Hi, all. Three days of unrelenting rain, and Houston is presently a

swamp.

A potensai question. This applies specifically to a young A. palmatum

"Shin
deshojo" I am growing out in a growing bed. It is a five year old low

graft
(from Mountain Maples) and currently has a trunk caliper of about 1.5
inches. Currently, it has no low branches serving as sacrifices.

So far it has had almost no pruning, not even light pruning. The

prevailing
logic is to achieve a caliper about 2/3 the intended final caliper before
giving it its first trunk chop. I anticipate at least one and probably

two
more seasons before I am at the 2/3 point.

I've noted growers stating that their young nursery stock have pruned down
to 12 or 18 inches to encourage low branching, but I'm wonder the
significance of this when dealing with material that responds vigorously

to
trunk chops, and that also generally requires trunk chops in order to
achieve suitable taper.

Assuming that I am going to chop this tree (or any deciduous tree that
responds vigorously to severe pruning) down to, say, 3 inches in order to
achieve dramatic taper, is there really any reason to do any pruning
whatsoever until I've reached that 2/3 caliper point? Does 3 or 4 seasons
of groun

It would seem the arguments for absolutely unrestrained growth would
include:
? Unrestrained growth equals maximum foliage feeding the roots and tree,
more quickly adding caliper.
? Long central leader and whips allowed to blow in the wind (particularly
for ground planted trees) will increase buttressing/flair.

Argument against? Well, no low branches to serve as sacrifices or as final
branches, but if I'm cutting down to 3 inches at the first major chop,
sacrifices certainly would not be needed for achieving taper and final

side
branches would not yet be an issue. Perhaps, the story would be different
if chopping down to 6 or 7 inches. Is such a case, sacrifices may be
necessary lest the first 7-inch trunk section would have insufficient

taper.

Perhaps, am I also being too aggressive by considering a first trunk chop

at
3 inches?

I would appreciate any insight.

Blake in Houston


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marty haber 12-02-2004 03:32 PM

[IBC] Pruning Prior to First Major Trunk Chop?
 
Hi Blake! You've solved your first bonsai problem ...
thinking. Part of bonsai is understanding the way a tree works: and that's
what you're trying to do. Some of us old timers have come to the conclusion
that we must start with older trees which already have thick trunks and good
buttresses. The time it takes for this to happen seems interminable ( if
you're 81 years old).
However - the satisfaction of seeing your efforts come to fruition over a
good many years is worth a great deal. Your idea of unrestrained growth
for a few years is fine.
And you may plant your A.p. in the ground rather than in a pot during this
time. Just place a flat tile under the roots to encourage lateral growth.
As for trunk chopping; you should wait until you have acquired the desired
girth before doing it - and be sure you have sufficient adventitious
branching BELOW the cut. Good luck.
Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Blake and Jennifer Wilkins"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 1:03 AM
Subject: [IBC] Pruning Prior to First Major Trunk Chop?


Hi, all. Three days of unrelenting rain, and Houston is presently a

swamp.

A potensai question. This applies specifically to a young A. palmatum

"Shin
deshojo" I am growing out in a growing bed. It is a five year old low

graft
(from Mountain Maples) and currently has a trunk caliper of about 1.5
inches. Currently, it has no low branches serving as sacrifices.

So far it has had almost no pruning, not even light pruning. The

prevailing
logic is to achieve a caliper about 2/3 the intended final caliper before
giving it its first trunk chop. I anticipate at least one and probably

two
more seasons before I am at the 2/3 point.

I've noted growers stating that their young nursery stock have pruned down
to 12 or 18 inches to encourage low branching, but I'm wonder the
significance of this when dealing with material that responds vigorously

to
trunk chops, and that also generally requires trunk chops in order to
achieve suitable taper.

Assuming that I am going to chop this tree (or any deciduous tree that
responds vigorously to severe pruning) down to, say, 3 inches in order to
achieve dramatic taper, is there really any reason to do any pruning
whatsoever until I've reached that 2/3 caliper point? Does 3 or 4 seasons
of groun

It would seem the arguments for absolutely unrestrained growth would
include:
? Unrestrained growth equals maximum foliage feeding the roots and tree,
more quickly adding caliper.
? Long central leader and whips allowed to blow in the wind (particularly
for ground planted trees) will increase buttressing/flair.

Argument against? Well, no low branches to serve as sacrifices or as final
branches, but if I'm cutting down to 3 inches at the first major chop,
sacrifices certainly would not be needed for achieving taper and final

side
branches would not yet be an issue. Perhaps, the story would be different
if chopping down to 6 or 7 inches. Is such a case, sacrifices may be
necessary lest the first 7-inch trunk section would have insufficient

taper.

Perhaps, am I also being too aggressive by considering a first trunk chop

at
3 inches?

I would appreciate any insight.

Blake in Houston


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marty haber 12-02-2004 05:08 PM

[IBC] Pruning Prior to First Major Trunk Chop?
 
Hi Blake! You've solved your first bonsai problem ...
thinking. Part of bonsai is understanding the way a tree works: and that's
what you're trying to do. Some of us old timers have come to the conclusion
that we must start with older trees which already have thick trunks and good
buttresses. The time it takes for this to happen seems interminable ( if
you're 81 years old).
However - the satisfaction of seeing your efforts come to fruition over a
good many years is worth a great deal. Your idea of unrestrained growth
for a few years is fine.
And you may plant your A.p. in the ground rather than in a pot during this
time. Just place a flat tile under the roots to encourage lateral growth.
As for trunk chopping; you should wait until you have acquired the desired
girth before doing it - and be sure you have sufficient adventitious
branching BELOW the cut. Good luck.
Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Blake and Jennifer Wilkins"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 1:03 AM
Subject: [IBC] Pruning Prior to First Major Trunk Chop?


Hi, all. Three days of unrelenting rain, and Houston is presently a

swamp.

A potensai question. This applies specifically to a young A. palmatum

"Shin
deshojo" I am growing out in a growing bed. It is a five year old low

graft
(from Mountain Maples) and currently has a trunk caliper of about 1.5
inches. Currently, it has no low branches serving as sacrifices.

So far it has had almost no pruning, not even light pruning. The

prevailing
logic is to achieve a caliper about 2/3 the intended final caliper before
giving it its first trunk chop. I anticipate at least one and probably

two
more seasons before I am at the 2/3 point.

I've noted growers stating that their young nursery stock have pruned down
to 12 or 18 inches to encourage low branching, but I'm wonder the
significance of this when dealing with material that responds vigorously

to
trunk chops, and that also generally requires trunk chops in order to
achieve suitable taper.

Assuming that I am going to chop this tree (or any deciduous tree that
responds vigorously to severe pruning) down to, say, 3 inches in order to
achieve dramatic taper, is there really any reason to do any pruning
whatsoever until I've reached that 2/3 caliper point? Does 3 or 4 seasons
of groun

It would seem the arguments for absolutely unrestrained growth would
include:
? Unrestrained growth equals maximum foliage feeding the roots and tree,
more quickly adding caliper.
? Long central leader and whips allowed to blow in the wind (particularly
for ground planted trees) will increase buttressing/flair.

Argument against? Well, no low branches to serve as sacrifices or as final
branches, but if I'm cutting down to 3 inches at the first major chop,
sacrifices certainly would not be needed for achieving taper and final

side
branches would not yet be an issue. Perhaps, the story would be different
if chopping down to 6 or 7 inches. Is such a case, sacrifices may be
necessary lest the first 7-inch trunk section would have insufficient

taper.

Perhaps, am I also being too aggressive by considering a first trunk chop

at
3 inches?

I would appreciate any insight.

Blake in Houston


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****
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************************************************** **************************
****
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+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++


************************************************** ******************************
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************************************************** ******************************
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marty haber 12-02-2004 05:14 PM

[IBC] Pruning Prior to First Major Trunk Chop?
 
Hi Blake! You've solved your first bonsai problem ...
thinking. Part of bonsai is understanding the way a tree works: and that's
what you're trying to do. Some of us old timers have come to the conclusion
that we must start with older trees which already have thick trunks and good
buttresses. The time it takes for this to happen seems interminable ( if
you're 81 years old).
However - the satisfaction of seeing your efforts come to fruition over a
good many years is worth a great deal. Your idea of unrestrained growth
for a few years is fine.
And you may plant your A.p. in the ground rather than in a pot during this
time. Just place a flat tile under the roots to encourage lateral growth.
As for trunk chopping; you should wait until you have acquired the desired
girth before doing it - and be sure you have sufficient adventitious
branching BELOW the cut. Good luck.
Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Blake and Jennifer Wilkins"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 1:03 AM
Subject: [IBC] Pruning Prior to First Major Trunk Chop?


Hi, all. Three days of unrelenting rain, and Houston is presently a

swamp.

A potensai question. This applies specifically to a young A. palmatum

"Shin
deshojo" I am growing out in a growing bed. It is a five year old low

graft
(from Mountain Maples) and currently has a trunk caliper of about 1.5
inches. Currently, it has no low branches serving as sacrifices.

So far it has had almost no pruning, not even light pruning. The

prevailing
logic is to achieve a caliper about 2/3 the intended final caliper before
giving it its first trunk chop. I anticipate at least one and probably

two
more seasons before I am at the 2/3 point.

I've noted growers stating that their young nursery stock have pruned down
to 12 or 18 inches to encourage low branching, but I'm wonder the
significance of this when dealing with material that responds vigorously

to
trunk chops, and that also generally requires trunk chops in order to
achieve suitable taper.

Assuming that I am going to chop this tree (or any deciduous tree that
responds vigorously to severe pruning) down to, say, 3 inches in order to
achieve dramatic taper, is there really any reason to do any pruning
whatsoever until I've reached that 2/3 caliper point? Does 3 or 4 seasons
of groun

It would seem the arguments for absolutely unrestrained growth would
include:
? Unrestrained growth equals maximum foliage feeding the roots and tree,
more quickly adding caliper.
? Long central leader and whips allowed to blow in the wind (particularly
for ground planted trees) will increase buttressing/flair.

Argument against? Well, no low branches to serve as sacrifices or as final
branches, but if I'm cutting down to 3 inches at the first major chop,
sacrifices certainly would not be needed for achieving taper and final

side
branches would not yet be an issue. Perhaps, the story would be different
if chopping down to 6 or 7 inches. Is such a case, sacrifices may be
necessary lest the first 7-inch trunk section would have insufficient

taper.

Perhaps, am I also being too aggressive by considering a first trunk chop

at
3 inches?

I would appreciate any insight.

Blake in Houston


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****
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************************************************** **************************
****
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+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++


************************************************** ******************************
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************************************************** ******************************
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http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ --
+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++

marty haber 12-02-2004 05:14 PM

[IBC] Pruning Prior to First Major Trunk Chop?
 
Hi Blake! You've solved your first bonsai problem ...
thinking. Part of bonsai is understanding the way a tree works: and that's
what you're trying to do. Some of us old timers have come to the conclusion
that we must start with older trees which already have thick trunks and good
buttresses. The time it takes for this to happen seems interminable ( if
you're 81 years old).
However - the satisfaction of seeing your efforts come to fruition over a
good many years is worth a great deal. Your idea of unrestrained growth
for a few years is fine.
And you may plant your A.p. in the ground rather than in a pot during this
time. Just place a flat tile under the roots to encourage lateral growth.
As for trunk chopping; you should wait until you have acquired the desired
girth before doing it - and be sure you have sufficient adventitious
branching BELOW the cut. Good luck.
Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Blake and Jennifer Wilkins"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 1:03 AM
Subject: [IBC] Pruning Prior to First Major Trunk Chop?


Hi, all. Three days of unrelenting rain, and Houston is presently a

swamp.

A potensai question. This applies specifically to a young A. palmatum

"Shin
deshojo" I am growing out in a growing bed. It is a five year old low

graft
(from Mountain Maples) and currently has a trunk caliper of about 1.5
inches. Currently, it has no low branches serving as sacrifices.

So far it has had almost no pruning, not even light pruning. The

prevailing
logic is to achieve a caliper about 2/3 the intended final caliper before
giving it its first trunk chop. I anticipate at least one and probably

two
more seasons before I am at the 2/3 point.

I've noted growers stating that their young nursery stock have pruned down
to 12 or 18 inches to encourage low branching, but I'm wonder the
significance of this when dealing with material that responds vigorously

to
trunk chops, and that also generally requires trunk chops in order to
achieve suitable taper.

Assuming that I am going to chop this tree (or any deciduous tree that
responds vigorously to severe pruning) down to, say, 3 inches in order to
achieve dramatic taper, is there really any reason to do any pruning
whatsoever until I've reached that 2/3 caliper point? Does 3 or 4 seasons
of groun

It would seem the arguments for absolutely unrestrained growth would
include:
? Unrestrained growth equals maximum foliage feeding the roots and tree,
more quickly adding caliper.
? Long central leader and whips allowed to blow in the wind (particularly
for ground planted trees) will increase buttressing/flair.

Argument against? Well, no low branches to serve as sacrifices or as final
branches, but if I'm cutting down to 3 inches at the first major chop,
sacrifices certainly would not be needed for achieving taper and final

side
branches would not yet be an issue. Perhaps, the story would be different
if chopping down to 6 or 7 inches. Is such a case, sacrifices may be
necessary lest the first 7-inch trunk section would have insufficient

taper.

Perhaps, am I also being too aggressive by considering a first trunk chop

at
3 inches?

I would appreciate any insight.

Blake in Houston


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****
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************************************************** **************************
****
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+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++


************************************************** ******************************
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************************************************** ******************************
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http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ --
+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++

marty haber 12-02-2004 05:25 PM

[IBC] Pruning Prior to First Major Trunk Chop?
 
Hi Blake! You've solved your first bonsai problem ...
thinking. Part of bonsai is understanding the way a tree works: and that's
what you're trying to do. Some of us old timers have come to the conclusion
that we must start with older trees which already have thick trunks and good
buttresses. The time it takes for this to happen seems interminable ( if
you're 81 years old).
However - the satisfaction of seeing your efforts come to fruition over a
good many years is worth a great deal. Your idea of unrestrained growth
for a few years is fine.
And you may plant your A.p. in the ground rather than in a pot during this
time. Just place a flat tile under the roots to encourage lateral growth.
As for trunk chopping; you should wait until you have acquired the desired
girth before doing it - and be sure you have sufficient adventitious
branching BELOW the cut. Good luck.
Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Blake and Jennifer Wilkins"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 1:03 AM
Subject: [IBC] Pruning Prior to First Major Trunk Chop?


Hi, all. Three days of unrelenting rain, and Houston is presently a

swamp.

A potensai question. This applies specifically to a young A. palmatum

"Shin
deshojo" I am growing out in a growing bed. It is a five year old low

graft
(from Mountain Maples) and currently has a trunk caliper of about 1.5
inches. Currently, it has no low branches serving as sacrifices.

So far it has had almost no pruning, not even light pruning. The

prevailing
logic is to achieve a caliper about 2/3 the intended final caliper before
giving it its first trunk chop. I anticipate at least one and probably

two
more seasons before I am at the 2/3 point.

I've noted growers stating that their young nursery stock have pruned down
to 12 or 18 inches to encourage low branching, but I'm wonder the
significance of this when dealing with material that responds vigorously

to
trunk chops, and that also generally requires trunk chops in order to
achieve suitable taper.

Assuming that I am going to chop this tree (or any deciduous tree that
responds vigorously to severe pruning) down to, say, 3 inches in order to
achieve dramatic taper, is there really any reason to do any pruning
whatsoever until I've reached that 2/3 caliper point? Does 3 or 4 seasons
of groun

It would seem the arguments for absolutely unrestrained growth would
include:
? Unrestrained growth equals maximum foliage feeding the roots and tree,
more quickly adding caliper.
? Long central leader and whips allowed to blow in the wind (particularly
for ground planted trees) will increase buttressing/flair.

Argument against? Well, no low branches to serve as sacrifices or as final
branches, but if I'm cutting down to 3 inches at the first major chop,
sacrifices certainly would not be needed for achieving taper and final

side
branches would not yet be an issue. Perhaps, the story would be different
if chopping down to 6 or 7 inches. Is such a case, sacrifices may be
necessary lest the first 7-inch trunk section would have insufficient

taper.

Perhaps, am I also being too aggressive by considering a first trunk chop

at
3 inches?

I would appreciate any insight.

Blake in Houston


************************************************** **************************
****
++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++

************************************************** **************************
****
-- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ --

+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++


************************************************** ******************************
++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++
************************************************** ******************************
-- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ:
http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ --
+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++

marty haber 12-02-2004 05:35 PM

[IBC] Pruning Prior to First Major Trunk Chop?
 
Hi Blake! You've solved your first bonsai problem ...
thinking. Part of bonsai is understanding the way a tree works: and that's
what you're trying to do. Some of us old timers have come to the conclusion
that we must start with older trees which already have thick trunks and good
buttresses. The time it takes for this to happen seems interminable ( if
you're 81 years old).
However - the satisfaction of seeing your efforts come to fruition over a
good many years is worth a great deal. Your idea of unrestrained growth
for a few years is fine.
And you may plant your A.p. in the ground rather than in a pot during this
time. Just place a flat tile under the roots to encourage lateral growth.
As for trunk chopping; you should wait until you have acquired the desired
girth before doing it - and be sure you have sufficient adventitious
branching BELOW the cut. Good luck.
Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Blake and Jennifer Wilkins"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 1:03 AM
Subject: [IBC] Pruning Prior to First Major Trunk Chop?


Hi, all. Three days of unrelenting rain, and Houston is presently a

swamp.

A potensai question. This applies specifically to a young A. palmatum

"Shin
deshojo" I am growing out in a growing bed. It is a five year old low

graft
(from Mountain Maples) and currently has a trunk caliper of about 1.5
inches. Currently, it has no low branches serving as sacrifices.

So far it has had almost no pruning, not even light pruning. The

prevailing
logic is to achieve a caliper about 2/3 the intended final caliper before
giving it its first trunk chop. I anticipate at least one and probably

two
more seasons before I am at the 2/3 point.

I've noted growers stating that their young nursery stock have pruned down
to 12 or 18 inches to encourage low branching, but I'm wonder the
significance of this when dealing with material that responds vigorously

to
trunk chops, and that also generally requires trunk chops in order to
achieve suitable taper.

Assuming that I am going to chop this tree (or any deciduous tree that
responds vigorously to severe pruning) down to, say, 3 inches in order to
achieve dramatic taper, is there really any reason to do any pruning
whatsoever until I've reached that 2/3 caliper point? Does 3 or 4 seasons
of groun

It would seem the arguments for absolutely unrestrained growth would
include:
? Unrestrained growth equals maximum foliage feeding the roots and tree,
more quickly adding caliper.
? Long central leader and whips allowed to blow in the wind (particularly
for ground planted trees) will increase buttressing/flair.

Argument against? Well, no low branches to serve as sacrifices or as final
branches, but if I'm cutting down to 3 inches at the first major chop,
sacrifices certainly would not be needed for achieving taper and final

side
branches would not yet be an issue. Perhaps, the story would be different
if chopping down to 6 or 7 inches. Is such a case, sacrifices may be
necessary lest the first 7-inch trunk section would have insufficient

taper.

Perhaps, am I also being too aggressive by considering a first trunk chop

at
3 inches?

I would appreciate any insight.

Blake in Houston


************************************************** **************************
****
++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++

************************************************** **************************
****
-- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ --

+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++


************************************************** ******************************
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************************************************** ******************************
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http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ --
+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++

David J. Bockman 12-02-2004 06:38 PM

[IBC] Pruning Prior to First Major Trunk Chop?
 
No, 2-3 inches above the base is perfect. That will ultimately give you a
tree of about 12-14 inches in height. Unless the tree is extremely
'unvigorous', you will get dozens of bud breaks all over the wee stump.
Touch none of them the first year, let them all throw out as much length as
possible-- you'll get 4-9 feet of growth out of some of them. In the early
spring of 'year 2' (the year after the first chop'), trim back all those
branches wa-a-a-ay back to the base, leaving one-quarter inch to half-inch
stubs all over, but leaving the potential leader slightly longer (I leave 2,
the heir & the spare). Let them go nuts again this next year, then repeat
the pruning process. I seal some stubs, others I leave open to rot out a bit
and get craggy.

Don't even worry about primary branch placement at this point...

David J. Bockman, Fairfax, VA (USDA Hardiness Zone 7)
Bunabayashi Bonsai On The World Wide Web: http://www.bunabayashi.com
email:

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David J. Bockman 12-02-2004 06:46 PM

[IBC] Pruning Prior to First Major Trunk Chop?
 
No, 2-3 inches above the base is perfect. That will ultimately give you a
tree of about 12-14 inches in height. Unless the tree is extremely
'unvigorous', you will get dozens of bud breaks all over the wee stump.
Touch none of them the first year, let them all throw out as much length as
possible-- you'll get 4-9 feet of growth out of some of them. In the early
spring of 'year 2' (the year after the first chop'), trim back all those
branches wa-a-a-ay back to the base, leaving one-quarter inch to half-inch
stubs all over, but leaving the potential leader slightly longer (I leave 2,
the heir & the spare). Let them go nuts again this next year, then repeat
the pruning process. I seal some stubs, others I leave open to rot out a bit
and get craggy.

Don't even worry about primary branch placement at this point...

David J. Bockman, Fairfax, VA (USDA Hardiness Zone 7)
Bunabayashi Bonsai On The World Wide Web: http://www.bunabayashi.com
email:

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David J. Bockman 12-02-2004 06:53 PM

[IBC] Pruning Prior to First Major Trunk Chop?
 
No, 2-3 inches above the base is perfect. That will ultimately give you a
tree of about 12-14 inches in height. Unless the tree is extremely
'unvigorous', you will get dozens of bud breaks all over the wee stump.
Touch none of them the first year, let them all throw out as much length as
possible-- you'll get 4-9 feet of growth out of some of them. In the early
spring of 'year 2' (the year after the first chop'), trim back all those
branches wa-a-a-ay back to the base, leaving one-quarter inch to half-inch
stubs all over, but leaving the potential leader slightly longer (I leave 2,
the heir & the spare). Let them go nuts again this next year, then repeat
the pruning process. I seal some stubs, others I leave open to rot out a bit
and get craggy.

Don't even worry about primary branch placement at this point...

David J. Bockman, Fairfax, VA (USDA Hardiness Zone 7)
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David J. Bockman 12-02-2004 06:56 PM

[IBC] Pruning Prior to First Major Trunk Chop?
 
No, 2-3 inches above the base is perfect. That will ultimately give you a
tree of about 12-14 inches in height. Unless the tree is extremely
'unvigorous', you will get dozens of bud breaks all over the wee stump.
Touch none of them the first year, let them all throw out as much length as
possible-- you'll get 4-9 feet of growth out of some of them. In the early
spring of 'year 2' (the year after the first chop'), trim back all those
branches wa-a-a-ay back to the base, leaving one-quarter inch to half-inch
stubs all over, but leaving the potential leader slightly longer (I leave 2,
the heir & the spare). Let them go nuts again this next year, then repeat
the pruning process. I seal some stubs, others I leave open to rot out a bit
and get craggy.

Don't even worry about primary branch placement at this point...

David J. Bockman, Fairfax, VA (USDA Hardiness Zone 7)
Bunabayashi Bonsai On The World Wide Web: http://www.bunabayashi.com
email:

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Bill Sikes 14-02-2004 11:08 PM

[IBC] Pruning Prior to First Major Trunk Chop?
 
Hello, Blake!

A couple of questions to consider: 1) just how low is the graft? and 2) have
you considered an air layer to conserve the top of the tree to use later?

The height of the graft will determine if out-breaking branches are the
Shindeshojo cultivar, or of the rootstock (most likely A. palmatum species).

Many cultivars of A. palmatum will grow well on their own roots, even though
the original purchase was a graft. Shindeshojo is one of these. If you air
layer, you can then use the top as another tree, doubling your pleasure,
doubling your bonsai fun!

See ya'

Bill Sikes
USDA Zone 8b Sunset Zone 27

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Subject: [IBC] Pruning Prior to First Major Trunk Chop?


Hi, all. Three days of unrelenting rain, and Houston is presently a swamp.

A potensai question. This applies specifically to a young A. palmatum "Shin
deshojo" I am growing out in a growing bed. It is a five year old low graft
(from Mountain Maples) and currently has a trunk caliper of about 1.5
inches. Currently, it has no low branches serving as sacrifices.

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I would appreciate any insight.

Blake in Houston









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