[IBC] Carry on luggage (bonsai) Methods ?
 

I am a frequent traveler and found that the main problem in transporting
goods either in the hold or in the cabin is security. My luggage have
repeatedly been taken apart, carefully packed items were unpacked and thrown
back together. Security threw my suiseki back into my luggage unwrapped and
refused to let me wrap it again, even threatened me if I approach it.
Needless to say one of my expensive stones broke. On another trip at a
checkpoint in Dallas they lost my wedding ring of 40 years when I was forced
to go through security again after coming from Mexico and changing planes.

I learned my lesson and last time shipped my staff on UPS from California.

As they say: Your mileage may be different. Good luck.

Peter Aradi
Tulsa, Oklahoma

-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Bonsai Club ] On Behalf Of
Helena Handbasket
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 11:42 AM
To:
Subject: [IBC] Carry on luggage (bonsai) Methods ?

I've been doing a lot of air travel lately and on this last trip I brought
home a very
small bonsai by hand carrying it on the plane. I had to fashion a very
crude package (I
used a plastic pop bottle with the pot cushioned in Styrofoam) but I am
planing to fly to
California again in a couple of months and was contemplating bringing back a
larger plant.
I know about wrapping the pot in a plastic pot, putting that in a smaller
box, gluing that
small box into a larger box using spray foam as the glue and insulation and
poking holes
in the larger box for ventilation.

I'd like to hear what kinds of methods that others use for shipping their
bosai via air
travel. I didn't want to put the tree in the hold as I wasn't sure of the
condition of
the hold. Any advice appreciated.

--
katie
Zone 6b

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[IBC] Carry on luggage (bonsai) Methods ?
 

I am a frequent traveler and found that the main problem in transporting
goods either in the hold or in the cabin is security. My luggage have
repeatedly been taken apart, carefully packed items were unpacked and thrown
back together. Security threw my suiseki back into my luggage unwrapped and
refused to let me wrap it again, even threatened me if I approach it.
Needless to say one of my expensive stones broke. On another trip at a
checkpoint in Dallas they lost my wedding ring of 40 years when I was forced
to go through security again after coming from Mexico and changing planes.

I learned my lesson and last time shipped my staff on UPS from California.

As they say: Your mileage may be different. Good luck.

Peter Aradi
Tulsa, Oklahoma

-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Bonsai Club ] On Behalf Of
Helena Handbasket
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 11:42 AM
To:
Subject: [IBC] Carry on luggage (bonsai) Methods ?

I've been doing a lot of air travel lately and on this last trip I brought
home a very
small bonsai by hand carrying it on the plane. I had to fashion a very
crude package (I
used a plastic pop bottle with the pot cushioned in Styrofoam) but I am
planing to fly to
California again in a couple of months and was contemplating bringing back a
larger plant.
I know about wrapping the pot in a plastic pot, putting that in a smaller
box, gluing that
small box into a larger box using spray foam as the glue and insulation and
poking holes
in the larger box for ventilation.

I'd like to hear what kinds of methods that others use for shipping their
bosai via air
travel. I didn't want to put the tree in the hold as I wasn't sure of the
condition of
the hold. Any advice appreciated.

--
katie
Zone 6b

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[IBC] Carry on luggage (bonsai) Methods ?
 

I am a frequent traveler and found that the main problem in transporting
goods either in the hold or in the cabin is security. My luggage have
repeatedly been taken apart, carefully packed items were unpacked and thrown
back together. Security threw my suiseki back into my luggage unwrapped and
refused to let me wrap it again, even threatened me if I approach it.
Needless to say one of my expensive stones broke. On another trip at a
checkpoint in Dallas they lost my wedding ring of 40 years when I was forced
to go through security again after coming from Mexico and changing planes.

I learned my lesson and last time shipped my staff on UPS from California.

As they say: Your mileage may be different. Good luck.

Peter Aradi
Tulsa, Oklahoma

-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Bonsai Club ] On Behalf Of
Helena Handbasket
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 11:42 AM
To:
Subject: [IBC] Carry on luggage (bonsai) Methods ?

I've been doing a lot of air travel lately and on this last trip I brought
home a very
small bonsai by hand carrying it on the plane. I had to fashion a very
crude package (I
used a plastic pop bottle with the pot cushioned in Styrofoam) but I am
planing to fly to
California again in a couple of months and was contemplating bringing back a
larger plant.
I know about wrapping the pot in a plastic pot, putting that in a smaller
box, gluing that
small box into a larger box using spray foam as the glue and insulation and
poking holes
in the larger box for ventilation.

I'd like to hear what kinds of methods that others use for shipping their
bosai via air
travel. I didn't want to put the tree in the hold as I wasn't sure of the
condition of
the hold. Any advice appreciated.

--
katie
Zone 6b

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[IBC] Carry on luggage (bonsai) Methods ?
 

This is what I have done.

Wrap the pot in plastic and tie or tape securly in
place.

Cut holes in the box just below the level of the pot.

Tie tree to box using the holes in the box, making "L"
shaped turns with string or tape to hold down pot and
steady trunk.
_______
| |
|--o| |
| | |
|______|

Crude, but you get the idea. Do this several times.
Do more holes higher up to support trunk if longer
tree.

Wrap in paper to protect strings.

Ship.

Kitsune Miko

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[IBC] Carry on luggage (bonsai) Methods ?
 

This is what I have done.

Wrap the pot in plastic and tie or tape securly in
place.

Cut holes in the box just below the level of the pot.

Tie tree to box using the holes in the box, making "L"
shaped turns with string or tape to hold down pot and
steady trunk.
_______
| |
|--o| |
| | |
|______|

Crude, but you get the idea. Do this several times.
Do more holes higher up to support trunk if longer
tree.

Wrap in paper to protect strings.

Ship.

Kitsune Miko

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[IBC] Carry on luggage (bonsai) Methods ?
 

This is what I have done.

Wrap the pot in plastic and tie or tape securly in
place.

Cut holes in the box just below the level of the pot.

Tie tree to box using the holes in the box, making "L"
shaped turns with string or tape to hold down pot and
steady trunk.
_______
| |
|--o| |
| | |
|______|

Crude, but you get the idea. Do this several times.
Do more holes higher up to support trunk if longer
tree.

Wrap in paper to protect strings.

Ship.

Kitsune Miko

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************************************************** ******************************
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[IBC] Carry on luggage (bonsai) Methods ?
 

This is what I have done.

Wrap the pot in plastic and tie or tape securly in
place.

Cut holes in the box just below the level of the pot.

Tie tree to box using the holes in the box, making "L"
shaped turns with string or tape to hold down pot and
steady trunk.
_______
| |
|--o| |
| | |
|______|

Crude, but you get the idea. Do this several times.
Do more holes higher up to support trunk if longer
tree.

Wrap in paper to protect strings.

Ship.

Kitsune Miko

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[IBC] Carry on luggage (bonsai) Methods ?
 

I agree with Peter.
I ship EXTREMELY expensive electronics all over North and South America.
The last time I thought I'd try to hand carry a box of electronics through
the airport.
A $2,000 tool disappeared at the security inspection counter.

FedEx has never lost or broken anything.
You might want to consider a commercial shipper like FedEx or UPS.
When you consider the cost of your tree, the cost of overnight shipping is
peanuts !!

Mark Hill



-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Bonsai Club ] On Behalf Of
Peter
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 2:09 PM
To:
Subject: [IBC] Carry on luggage (bonsai) Methods ?

I am a frequent traveler and found that the main problem in transporting
goods either in the hold or in the cabin is security. My luggage have
repeatedly been taken apart, carefully packed items were unpacked and thrown
back together. Security threw my suiseki back into my luggage unwrapped and
refused to let me wrap it again, even threatened me if I approach it.
Needless to say one of my expensive stones broke. On another trip at a
checkpoint in Dallas they lost my wedding ring of 40 years when I was forced
to go through security again after coming from Mexico and changing planes.

I learned my lesson and last time shipped my staff on UPS from California.

As they say: Your mileage may be different. Good luck.

Peter Aradi
Tulsa, Oklahoma

-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Bonsai Club ] On Behalf Of
Helena Handbasket
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 11:42 AM
To:
Subject: [IBC] Carry on luggage (bonsai) Methods ?

I've been doing a lot of air travel lately and on this last trip I brought
home a very
small bonsai by hand carrying it on the plane. I had to fashion a very
crude package (I
used a plastic pop bottle with the pot cushioned in Styrofoam) but I am
planing to fly to
California again in a couple of months and was contemplating bringing back a
larger plant.
I know about wrapping the pot in a plastic pot, putting that in a smaller
box, gluing that
small box into a larger box using spray foam as the glue and insulation and
poking holes
in the larger box for ventilation.

I'd like to hear what kinds of methods that others use for shipping their
bosai via air
travel. I didn't want to put the tree in the hold as I wasn't sure of the
condition of
the hold. Any advice appreciated.

--
katie
Zone 6b

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************************************************** **************************
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[IBC] Carry on luggage (bonsai) Methods ?
 

I agree with Peter.
I ship EXTREMELY expensive electronics all over North and South America.
The last time I thought I'd try to hand carry a box of electronics through
the airport.
A $2,000 tool disappeared at the security inspection counter.

FedEx has never lost or broken anything.
You might want to consider a commercial shipper like FedEx or UPS.
When you consider the cost of your tree, the cost of overnight shipping is
peanuts !!

Mark Hill



-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Bonsai Club ] On Behalf Of
Peter
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 2:09 PM
To:
Subject: [IBC] Carry on luggage (bonsai) Methods ?

I am a frequent traveler and found that the main problem in transporting
goods either in the hold or in the cabin is security. My luggage have
repeatedly been taken apart, carefully packed items were unpacked and thrown
back together. Security threw my suiseki back into my luggage unwrapped and
refused to let me wrap it again, even threatened me if I approach it.
Needless to say one of my expensive stones broke. On another trip at a
checkpoint in Dallas they lost my wedding ring of 40 years when I was forced
to go through security again after coming from Mexico and changing planes.

I learned my lesson and last time shipped my staff on UPS from California.

As they say: Your mileage may be different. Good luck.

Peter Aradi
Tulsa, Oklahoma

-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Bonsai Club ] On Behalf Of
Helena Handbasket
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 11:42 AM
To:
Subject: [IBC] Carry on luggage (bonsai) Methods ?

I've been doing a lot of air travel lately and on this last trip I brought
home a very
small bonsai by hand carrying it on the plane. I had to fashion a very
crude package (I
used a plastic pop bottle with the pot cushioned in Styrofoam) but I am
planing to fly to
California again in a couple of months and was contemplating bringing back a
larger plant.
I know about wrapping the pot in a plastic pot, putting that in a smaller
box, gluing that
small box into a larger box using spray foam as the glue and insulation and
poking holes
in the larger box for ventilation.

I'd like to hear what kinds of methods that others use for shipping their
bosai via air
travel. I didn't want to put the tree in the hold as I wasn't sure of the
condition of
the hold. Any advice appreciated.

--
katie
Zone 6b

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************************************************** **************************
****
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+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++

************************************************** **************************
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[IBC] Carry on luggage (bonsai) Methods ?
 

I agree with Peter.
I ship EXTREMELY expensive electronics all over North and South America.
The last time I thought I'd try to hand carry a box of electronics through
the airport.
A $2,000 tool disappeared at the security inspection counter.

FedEx has never lost or broken anything.
You might want to consider a commercial shipper like FedEx or UPS.
When you consider the cost of your tree, the cost of overnight shipping is
peanuts !!

Mark Hill



-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Bonsai Club ] On Behalf Of
Peter
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 2:09 PM
To:
Subject: [IBC] Carry on luggage (bonsai) Methods ?

I am a frequent traveler and found that the main problem in transporting
goods either in the hold or in the cabin is security. My luggage have
repeatedly been taken apart, carefully packed items were unpacked and thrown
back together. Security threw my suiseki back into my luggage unwrapped and
refused to let me wrap it again, even threatened me if I approach it.
Needless to say one of my expensive stones broke. On another trip at a
checkpoint in Dallas they lost my wedding ring of 40 years when I was forced
to go through security again after coming from Mexico and changing planes.

I learned my lesson and last time shipped my staff on UPS from California.

As they say: Your mileage may be different. Good luck.

Peter Aradi
Tulsa, Oklahoma

-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Bonsai Club ] On Behalf Of
Helena Handbasket
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 11:42 AM
To:
Subject: [IBC] Carry on luggage (bonsai) Methods ?

I've been doing a lot of air travel lately and on this last trip I brought
home a very
small bonsai by hand carrying it on the plane. I had to fashion a very
crude package (I
used a plastic pop bottle with the pot cushioned in Styrofoam) but I am
planing to fly to
California again in a couple of months and was contemplating bringing back a
larger plant.
I know about wrapping the pot in a plastic pot, putting that in a smaller
box, gluing that
small box into a larger box using spray foam as the glue and insulation and
poking holes
in the larger box for ventilation.

I'd like to hear what kinds of methods that others use for shipping their
bosai via air
travel. I didn't want to put the tree in the hold as I wasn't sure of the
condition of
the hold. Any advice appreciated.

--
katie
Zone 6b

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[IBC] Carry on luggage (bonsai) Methods ?
 

I wouldn't trust Fed Ex.
I work in purchasing. I buy chemicals that need to be
frozen during shipment. We got a box so damaged that
there was no cold ice inside, it had all fallen out.
The product was destroyed. My supplier said that this
happens to them 3 to 4 times a week. So they replaced
$2000 worth of chemicals sight unseen because of the
laxity of Fed Ex.

Kitsune Miko

--- Mark Hill wrote:
I agree with Peter.
I ship EXTREMELY expensive electronics all over
North and South America.
The last time I thought I'd try to hand carry a box
of electronics through
the airport.
A $2,000 tool disappeared at the security inspection
counter.

FedEx has never lost or broken anything.
You might want to consider a commercial shipper like
FedEx or UPS.
When you consider the cost of your tree, the cost of
overnight shipping is
peanuts !!

Mark Hill



-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Bonsai Club
] On Behalf Of
Peter
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 2:09 PM
To:
Subject: [IBC] Carry on luggage (bonsai) Methods
?

I am a frequent traveler and found that the main
problem in transporting
goods either in the hold or in the cabin is
security. My luggage have
repeatedly been taken apart, carefully packed items
were unpacked and thrown
back together. Security threw my suiseki back into
my luggage unwrapped and
refused to let me wrap it again, even threatened me
if I approach it.
Needless to say one of my expensive stones broke. On
another trip at a
checkpoint in Dallas they lost my wedding ring of 40
years when I was forced
to go through security again after coming from
Mexico and changing planes.

I learned my lesson and last time shipped my staff
on UPS from California.

As they say: Your mileage may be different. Good
luck.

Peter Aradi
Tulsa, Oklahoma

-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Bonsai Club
] On Behalf Of
Helena Handbasket
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 11:42 AM
To:
Subject: [IBC] Carry on luggage (bonsai) Methods ?

I've been doing a lot of air travel lately and on
this last trip I brought
home a very
small bonsai by hand carrying it on the plane. I
had to fashion a very
crude package (I
used a plastic pop bottle with the pot cushioned in
Styrofoam) but I am
planing to fly to
California again in a couple of months and was
contemplating bringing back a
larger plant.
I know about wrapping the pot in a plastic pot,
putting that in a smaller
box, gluing that
small box into a larger box using spray foam as the
glue and insulation and
poking holes
in the larger box for ventilation.

I'd like to hear what kinds of methods that others
use for shipping their
bosai via air
travel. I didn't want to put the tree in the hold
as I wasn't sure of the
condition of
the hold. Any advice appreciated.

--
katie
Zone 6b


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+++++


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+++++


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+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail
+++++

************************************************** ******************************
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[IBC] Carry on luggage (bonsai) Methods ?
 

I wouldn't trust Fed Ex.
I work in purchasing. I buy chemicals that need to be
frozen during shipment. We got a box so damaged that
there was no cold ice inside, it had all fallen out.
The product was destroyed. My supplier said that this
happens to them 3 to 4 times a week. So they replaced
$2000 worth of chemicals sight unseen because of the
laxity of Fed Ex.

Kitsune Miko

--- Mark Hill wrote:
I agree with Peter.
I ship EXTREMELY expensive electronics all over
North and South America.
The last time I thought I'd try to hand carry a box
of electronics through
the airport.
A $2,000 tool disappeared at the security inspection
counter.

FedEx has never lost or broken anything.
You might want to consider a commercial shipper like
FedEx or UPS.
When you consider the cost of your tree, the cost of
overnight shipping is
peanuts !!

Mark Hill



-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Bonsai Club
] On Behalf Of
Peter
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 2:09 PM
To:
Subject: [IBC] Carry on luggage (bonsai) Methods
?

I am a frequent traveler and found that the main
problem in transporting
goods either in the hold or in the cabin is
security. My luggage have
repeatedly been taken apart, carefully packed items
were unpacked and thrown
back together. Security threw my suiseki back into
my luggage unwrapped and
refused to let me wrap it again, even threatened me
if I approach it.
Needless to say one of my expensive stones broke. On
another trip at a
checkpoint in Dallas they lost my wedding ring of 40
years when I was forced
to go through security again after coming from
Mexico and changing planes.

I learned my lesson and last time shipped my staff
on UPS from California.

As they say: Your mileage may be different. Good
luck.

Peter Aradi
Tulsa, Oklahoma

-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Bonsai Club
] On Behalf Of
Helena Handbasket
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 11:42 AM
To:
Subject: [IBC] Carry on luggage (bonsai) Methods ?

I've been doing a lot of air travel lately and on
this last trip I brought
home a very
small bonsai by hand carrying it on the plane. I
had to fashion a very
crude package (I
used a plastic pop bottle with the pot cushioned in
Styrofoam) but I am
planing to fly to
California again in a couple of months and was
contemplating bringing back a
larger plant.
I know about wrapping the pot in a plastic pot,
putting that in a smaller
box, gluing that
small box into a larger box using spray foam as the
glue and insulation and
poking holes
in the larger box for ventilation.

I'd like to hear what kinds of methods that others
use for shipping their
bosai via air
travel. I didn't want to put the tree in the hold
as I wasn't sure of the
condition of
the hold. Any advice appreciated.

--
katie
Zone 6b


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+++++


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+++++


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[IBC] Carry on luggage (bonsai) Methods ?
 

Kitsune

I ship millions of dollars worth of sensitive electronics all over the
globe.
Never had a problem with FedEx.
Maybe it's my packaging, or maybe I'm just lucky!!

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Bonsai Club ] On Behalf Of
Kitsune Miko
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 5:30 PM
To:
Subject: [IBC] Carry on luggage (bonsai) Methods ?

I wouldn't trust Fed Ex.
I work in purchasing. I buy chemicals that need to be
frozen during shipment. We got a box so damaged that
there was no cold ice inside, it had all fallen out.
The product was destroyed. My supplier said that this
happens to them 3 to 4 times a week. So they replaced
$2000 worth of chemicals sight unseen because of the
laxity of Fed Ex.

Kitsune Miko

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[IBC] Carry on luggage (bonsai) Methods ?
 

Kitsune

I ship millions of dollars worth of sensitive electronics all over the
globe.
Never had a problem with FedEx.
Maybe it's my packaging, or maybe I'm just lucky!!

Mark

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From: Internet Bonsai Club ] On Behalf Of
Kitsune Miko
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 5:30 PM
To:
Subject: [IBC] Carry on luggage (bonsai) Methods ?

I wouldn't trust Fed Ex.
I work in purchasing. I buy chemicals that need to be
frozen during shipment. We got a box so damaged that
there was no cold ice inside, it had all fallen out.
The product was destroyed. My supplier said that this
happens to them 3 to 4 times a week. So they replaced
$2000 worth of chemicals sight unseen because of the
laxity of Fed Ex.

Kitsune Miko

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I am just sharing my experience as you are sharing
yours.

Kitsune Miko
--- Mark Hill wrote:
Kitsune

I ship millions of dollars worth of sensitive
electronics all over the
globe.
Never had a problem with FedEx.
Maybe it's my packaging, or maybe I'm just lucky!!

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Bonsai Club
] On Behalf Of
Kitsune Miko
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 5:30 PM
To:
Subject: [IBC] Carry on luggage (bonsai) Methods
?

I wouldn't trust Fed Ex.
I work in purchasing. I buy chemicals that need to
be
frozen during shipment. We got a box so damaged
that
there was no cold ice inside, it had all fallen out.
The product was destroyed. My supplier said that
this
happens to them 3 to 4 times a week. So they
replaced
$2000 worth of chemicals sight unseen because of the
laxity of Fed Ex.

Kitsune Miko


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I agree with Peter.
I ship EXTREMELY expensive electronics all over North and South
America.
The last time I thought I'd try to hand carry a box of
electronics through
the airport.
A $2,000 tool disappeared at the security inspection counter.

FedEx has never lost or broken anything.
You might want to consider a commercial shipper like FedEx or
UPS.
When you consider the cost of your tree, the cost of overnight
shipping is
peanuts !!


Plus! All the levels of security you need to go though these
days. I think carrying a tree on a plane is a very bad idea.
Once, but not now.

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Only where
people have learned to appreciate and cherish the landscape and
its living cover will they treat it with the care and respect it
should have - Paul Bigelow Sears.

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It made it through ok and I picked a very inexpensive tree to experiment with. It was a
bit of a pain to take through and I did worry about the radiation the tree would be
subjected too.

They let the tree through but wouldn't let me wear my barrette. Go figure.

Next time, I'm going to ship it and use a box shop to pack it. It was too much like
playing McGiver for my taste.

I guess looking like a little old lady does help. ;-D

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Plus! All the levels of security you need to go though these
days. I think carrying a tree on a plane is a very bad idea.
Once, but not now.

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Only where
people have learned to appreciate and cherish the landscape and
its living cover will they treat it with the care and respect it
should have - Paul Bigelow Sears.

[IBC] Carry on luggage (bonsai) Methods ?
 

In a message dated 2/12/2004 7:15:31 PM Mountain Standard Time,
writes:
They let the tree through but wouldn't let me wear my barrette.
That's because you were walking through a metal detector. Unlike the
barrette, the tree was not made of metal. No offense to anyone on this list, but it
really seems like people are making a bigger deal out of airport security than
the reality warrants. It's pretty simple. Don't put the following in your
carry on bags: sharp things, things that go boom, things that ignite. If you
don't divest the metal in your pockets, in your hair or on your shoes, you alarm
the metal detector and need to be searched. Unless you are sent down for
secondary screening (hand held metal detector) the security people have no way of
telling if it alarmed due to a barrette or a 10" knife. It's just a metal
detector, people, not a good person/bad person detector. The x-ray machine will
not hurt your tree - it is about 1/20 the power of a medical x-ray and is not
nuclear. After 9/11/2001 we live in a different world and need to understand
this and stop acting so spoiled. If the security screener asks you to take
off your shoes, it doesn't make him a nazi, it keeps you safe. If that's the
worst thing that happens to you that day, well folks, that's a pretty good day!

My two cents.

Best Regards,
Daniel Avrin
Now with super whitening Borax!

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The screener asked me to remove my barrette prior to the screen and I was happy to oblige.
I did make sure the tree had no metal (screen material and wires) and packed it in a clear
plastic pop bottle. I had no problems what so ever. I'd rather have the screening then
not. :)

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They let the tree through but wouldn't let me wear my barrette.

That's because you were walking through a metal detector. Unlike the
barrette, the tree was not made of metal. No offense to anyone on this list, but it
really seems like people are making a bigger deal out of airport security than
the reality warrants. It's pretty simple. Don't put the following in your
carry on bags: sharp things, things that go boom, things that ignite. If you
don't divest the metal in your pockets, in your hair or on your shoes, you alarm
the metal detector and need to be searched. Unless you are sent down for
secondary screening (hand held metal detector) the security people have no way of
telling if it alarmed due to a barrette or a 10" knife. It's just a metal
detector, people, not a good person/bad person detector. The x-ray machine will
not hurt your tree - it is about 1/20 the power of a medical x-ray and is not
nuclear. After 9/11/2001 we live in a different world and need to understand
this and stop acting so spoiled. If the security screener asks you to take
off your shoes, it doesn't make him a nazi, it keeps you safe. If that's the
worst thing that happens to you that day, well folks, that's a pretty good day!

My two cents.

Best Regards,
Daniel Avrin
Now with super whitening Borax!

[IBC] Carry on luggage (bonsai) Methods ?
 

The screener asked me to remove my barrette prior to the screen and I was happy to oblige.
I did make sure the tree had no metal (screen material and wires) and packed it in a clear
plastic pop bottle. I had no problems what so ever. I'd rather have the screening then
not. :)

--

(`'·.¸(`'·.¸*¤*¸.·'´)¸.·'´)
«´¨`·.¤*katie**¤.·´¨`»
(¸.·'´(¸.·'´*¤*`'·.¸)`'·.¸)

Helena's Sim Estates
http://www.simbella.com/helena/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HelenaSimEstates/

They let the tree through but wouldn't let me wear my barrette.

That's because you were walking through a metal detector. Unlike the
barrette, the tree was not made of metal. No offense to anyone on this list, but it
really seems like people are making a bigger deal out of airport security than
the reality warrants. It's pretty simple. Don't put the following in your
carry on bags: sharp things, things that go boom, things that ignite. If you
don't divest the metal in your pockets, in your hair or on your shoes, you alarm
the metal detector and need to be searched. Unless you are sent down for
secondary screening (hand held metal detector) the security people have no way of
telling if it alarmed due to a barrette or a 10" knife. It's just a metal
detector, people, not a good person/bad person detector. The x-ray machine will
not hurt your tree - it is about 1/20 the power of a medical x-ray and is not
nuclear. After 9/11/2001 we live in a different world and need to understand
this and stop acting so spoiled. If the security screener asks you to take
off your shoes, it doesn't make him a nazi, it keeps you safe. If that's the
worst thing that happens to you that day, well folks, that's a pretty good day!

My two cents.

Best Regards,
Daniel Avrin
Now with super whitening Borax!

[IBC] Carry on luggage (bonsai) Methods ?
 

Dan:

I suggest that you reread my message. The damage was done to my checked
luggage that was dismantled by the Homeland security people and thrown
together!
Also there is no excuse for demanding to take my wedding ring off and
subsequently losing it. There is stupidity and ignorance on BOTH sides of
the scanners!

Cheers.

Peter Aradi
Tulsa, Oklahoma

-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Bonsai Club ] On Behalf Of
Daniel Avrin
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 8:33 PM
To:
Subject: [IBC] Carry on luggage (bonsai) Methods ?

In a message dated 2/12/2004 7:15:31 PM Mountain Standard Time,
writes:
They let the tree through but wouldn't let me wear my barrette.
That's because you were walking through a metal detector. Unlike the
barrette, the tree was not made of metal. No offense to anyone on this
list, but it
really seems like people are making a bigger deal out of airport security
than
the reality warrants. It's pretty simple. Don't put the following in your
carry on bags: sharp things, things that go boom, things that ignite. If
you
don't divest the metal in your pockets, in your hair or on your shoes, you
alarm
the metal detector and need to be searched. Unless you are sent down for
secondary screening (hand held metal detector) the security people have no
way of
telling if it alarmed due to a barrette or a 10" knife. It's just a metal
detector, people, not a good person/bad person detector. The x-ray machine
will
not hurt your tree - it is about 1/20 the power of a medical x-ray and is
not
nuclear. After 9/11/2001 we live in a different world and need to
understand
this and stop acting so spoiled. If the security screener asks you to take
off your shoes, it doesn't make him a nazi, it keeps you safe. If that's
the
worst thing that happens to you that day, well folks, that's a pretty good
day!

My two cents.

Best Regards,
Daniel Avrin
Now with super whitening Borax!

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Dan:

I suggest that you reread my message. The damage was done to my checked
luggage that was dismantled by the Homeland security people and thrown
together!
Also there is no excuse for demanding to take my wedding ring off and
subsequently losing it. There is stupidity and ignorance on BOTH sides of
the scanners!

Cheers.

Peter Aradi
Tulsa, Oklahoma

-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Bonsai Club ] On Behalf Of
Daniel Avrin
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 8:33 PM
To:
Subject: [IBC] Carry on luggage (bonsai) Methods ?

In a message dated 2/12/2004 7:15:31 PM Mountain Standard Time,
writes:
They let the tree through but wouldn't let me wear my barrette.
That's because you were walking through a metal detector. Unlike the
barrette, the tree was not made of metal. No offense to anyone on this
list, but it
really seems like people are making a bigger deal out of airport security
than
the reality warrants. It's pretty simple. Don't put the following in your
carry on bags: sharp things, things that go boom, things that ignite. If
you
don't divest the metal in your pockets, in your hair or on your shoes, you
alarm
the metal detector and need to be searched. Unless you are sent down for
secondary screening (hand held metal detector) the security people have no
way of
telling if it alarmed due to a barrette or a 10" knife. It's just a metal
detector, people, not a good person/bad person detector. The x-ray machine
will
not hurt your tree - it is about 1/20 the power of a medical x-ray and is
not
nuclear. After 9/11/2001 we live in a different world and need to
understand
this and stop acting so spoiled. If the security screener asks you to take
off your shoes, it doesn't make him a nazi, it keeps you safe. If that's
the
worst thing that happens to you that day, well folks, that's a pretty good
day!

My two cents.

Best Regards,
Daniel Avrin
Now with super whitening Borax!

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