Try asking for High Alumina Cement. Builders supply places near me don't
stock it but get it in quickly on request. If you haven't used it before
you must mix it with ordinary Portland cement to get the rapid set that
you are after. Experiment with small quantities of the mix to get the
setting time you want.

There's more on this in the archives.

Cheers

Kev Bailey
Vale Of Clwyd, North Wales

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To:
Subject: [IBC] Ciment Fondu

Hi,
I am looking for a ciment fondu seller in the Maritimes (Canada).
The ciment is used to make bonsai landscapes. (fake rocks)

Any info would be appreciated.

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In a message dated 2/17/2004 4:45:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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Hi,
I am looking for a ciment fondu seller in the Maritimes (Canada).
The ciment is used to make bonsai landscapes. (fake rocks)

Any info would be appreciated.
Larfarge makes an excellent product, which I have used with success. I am
not familiar with Maritimes.

Cordially,

Michael Persiano
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Try asking for High Alumina Cement. Builders supply places near me don't
stock it but get it in quickly on request. If you haven't used it before
you must mix it with ordinary Portland cement to get the rapid set that
you are after. Experiment with small quantities of the mix to get the
setting time you want.

There's more on this in the archives.

Cheers

Kev Bailey
Vale Of Clwyd, North Wales

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Sent: 17 February 2004 21:12
To:
Subject: [IBC] Ciment Fondu

Hi,
I am looking for a ciment fondu seller in the Maritimes (Canada).
The ciment is used to make bonsai landscapes. (fake rocks)

Any info would be appreciated.

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In a message dated 2/17/2004 4:45:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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Hi,
I am looking for a ciment fondu seller in the Maritimes (Canada).
The ciment is used to make bonsai landscapes. (fake rocks)

Any info would be appreciated.
Larfarge makes an excellent product, which I have used with success. I am
not familiar with Maritimes.

Cordially,

Michael Persiano
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I wouldn't think that the high-alumina would be necessary for making
fake rocks. I understand why it's good for making slabs (though i've
done without it). For fake rocks - try hypertufa ... easily made from
portland cement, peat moss or finely ground bark and sand or pearlite.
The nice thing about hypertufa is after a year or so, moss will grow
on it, and i don't think the high alumina stuff is going to do that.

(Michael Persiano) wrote in message ...
In a message dated 2/17/2004 4:45:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,
writes:
Hi,
I am looking for a ciment fondu seller in the Maritimes (Canada).
The ciment is used to make bonsai landscapes. (fake rocks)

Any info would be appreciated.
Larfarge makes an excellent product, which I have used with success. I am
not familiar with Maritimes.

Cordially,

Michael Persiano
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Allen, et al.:

I suspect the inquiry results from a reading of Su Chin Ee's Creating Bonsai
Landscapes, and is specific to the projects involven in that book.

By and large, we are taling about fairly small scale rocks, and very
specific uses.

I have been following this thread with interest because I had never heard of
Ciment Fondu until noting its use in the projects from this beautiful book.

BTW, I have not yet started on any of these projects. First, you have to
grow the trees!
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To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 11:40 AM
Subject: [IBC] Ciment Fondu


I wouldn't think that the high-alumina would be necessary for making
fake rocks. I understand why it's good for making slabs (though i've
done without it). For fake rocks - try hypertufa ... easily made from
portland cement, peat moss or finely ground bark and sand or pearlite.
The nice thing about hypertufa is after a year or so, moss will grow
on it, and i don't think the high alumina stuff is going to do that.

(Michael Persiano) wrote in message
...
In a message dated 2/17/2004 4:45:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,
writes:
Hi,
I am looking for a ciment fondu seller in the Maritimes (Canada).
The ciment is used to make bonsai landscapes. (fake rocks)

Any info would be appreciated.
Larfarge makes an excellent product, which I have used with success. I
am
not familiar with Maritimes.

Cordially,

Michael Persiano
members.aol.com/iasnob/index.html


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Subject: [IBC] Ciment Fondu


Allen, et al.:
I have been following this thread with interest because I had never heard
of
Ciment Fondu until noting its use in the projects from this beautiful
book.

Bart,
I'm suprised. I thought Chase had done some work with it.
If you have the BCI "Indices" you could search it. I remember several years
Back when Bill V. had speakers ( Bill Jordan) who did some Ciment Fondue
work. I remembr they made a tall mountain that my late friend Mel Tellus
bought in the Saturday night auction. I'm sure these pics are in the old
mags.
Bill, what issue?
Shortly after that Brussel began making/selling many sizes of slabs made
from it.
My old business partner and I got a couple Japanese imported fiberglass
slabs and made silicone molds of them and sold them for several years until
sales dropped off. I thought Brussel still made them, but, perhaps not if
not in his catalog anymore. He had some huge ones.His sales of them probably
started to slow down also and since they were labor intensive......they are
dropped.
My buddy and I got our ciment fondue from a dealer in Cleveland and, as Mike
Persianno stated, it was made by Le Farge. It was pretty expensive stuff
compaired to mortar., 90 pound bags as I recall, could be colored easily
with mortar colors you can get at any supply store.
I still have a couple "scoop pots" I made from it over window screen forms.
I keep moving them around in my pot shelves in my tea house :)
I made several mountains in the past which I donated for auction at some
shows. . Somewhere I have pics of these. I used the window screen forms (
you could also use hardware cloth/chicken wire but you got nice bends with
window screen.) and then they were made ala paper mache' by cutting strips
of fiberglass auto body repai cloth, soaking them in ciment fondue and
laying on. After covering you could apply several coats of CF with a brush
over next few days.
In using the silicone molds we simply covered an existing fiberglass
imported slab with mold release and used caulk guns with 100% silicone caulk
and the same fiberglass auto body strips ( for strength) to cover the slab.
After it set it pulled off and we had a mold that you could lay over a small
pile of sand that could be arranged to different shapes however you liked.
Regards,
Dale Cochoy, Wild Things Bonsai Studio, Hartville, Ohio
http://www.WildThingsBonsai.Com
Specializing in power wood carving tools.
Yakimono no Kokoro bonsai pottery of hand-built stoneware

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Can someone tell me what exactly cement fondue is? I know what hypertufa
is, is cf similar?


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bart Thomas"
Subject: [IBC] Ciment Fondu


Allen, et al.:
I have been following this thread with interest because I had never
heard
of
Ciment Fondu until noting its use in the projects from this beautiful
book.

Bart,
I'm suprised. I thought Chase had done some work with it.
If you have the BCI "Indices" you could search it. I remember several
years
Back when Bill V. had speakers ( Bill Jordan) who did some Ciment
Fondue
work. I remembr they made a tall mountain that my late friend Mel Tellus
bought in the Saturday night auction. I'm sure these pics are in the
old
mags.
Bill, what issue?
Shortly after that Brussel began making/selling many sizes of slabs made
from it.
My old business partner and I got a couple Japanese imported fiberglass
slabs and made silicone molds of them and sold them for several years
until
sales dropped off. I thought Brussel still made them, but, perhaps not
if
not in his catalog anymore. He had some huge ones.His sales of them
probably
started to slow down also and since they were labor intensive......they
are
dropped.
My buddy and I got our ciment fondue from a dealer in Cleveland and, as
Mike
Persianno stated, it was made by Le Farge. It was pretty expensive stuff
compaired to mortar., 90 pound bags as I recall, could be colored easily
with mortar colors you can get at any supply store.
I still have a couple "scoop pots" I made from it over window screen
forms.
I keep moving them around in my pot shelves in my tea house :)
I made several mountains in the past which I donated for auction at some
shows. . Somewhere I have pics of these. I used the window screen forms
(
you could also use hardware cloth/chicken wire but you got nice bends
with
window screen.) and then they were made ala paper mache' by cutting
strips
of fiberglass auto body repai cloth, soaking them in ciment fondue and
laying on. After covering you could apply several coats of CF with a
brush
over next few days.
In using the silicone molds we simply covered an existing fiberglass
imported slab with mold release and used caulk guns with 100% silicone
caulk
and the same fiberglass auto body strips ( for strength) to cover the
slab.
After it set it pulled off and we had a mold that you could lay over a
small
pile of sand that could be arranged to different shapes however you
liked.
Regards,
Dale Cochoy, Wild Things Bonsai Studio, Hartville, Ohio
http://www.WildThingsBonsai.Com
Specializing in power wood carving tools.
Yakimono no Kokoro bonsai pottery of hand-built stoneware


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Can someone tell me what exactly cement fondue is? I know what hypertufa
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bart Thomas"
Subject: [IBC] Ciment Fondu


Allen, et al.:
I have been following this thread with interest because I had never
heard
of
Ciment Fondu until noting its use in the projects from this beautiful
book.

Bart,
I'm suprised. I thought Chase had done some work with it.
If you have the BCI "Indices" you could search it. I remember several
years
Back when Bill V. had speakers ( Bill Jordan) who did some Ciment
Fondue
work. I remembr they made a tall mountain that my late friend Mel Tellus
bought in the Saturday night auction. I'm sure these pics are in the
old
mags.
Bill, what issue?
Shortly after that Brussel began making/selling many sizes of slabs made
from it.
My old business partner and I got a couple Japanese imported fiberglass
slabs and made silicone molds of them and sold them for several years
until
sales dropped off. I thought Brussel still made them, but, perhaps not
if
not in his catalog anymore. He had some huge ones.His sales of them
probably
started to slow down also and since they were labor intensive......they
are
dropped.
My buddy and I got our ciment fondue from a dealer in Cleveland and, as
Mike
Persianno stated, it was made by Le Farge. It was pretty expensive stuff
compaired to mortar., 90 pound bags as I recall, could be colored easily
with mortar colors you can get at any supply store.
I still have a couple "scoop pots" I made from it over window screen
forms.
I keep moving them around in my pot shelves in my tea house :)
I made several mountains in the past which I donated for auction at some
shows. . Somewhere I have pics of these. I used the window screen forms
(
you could also use hardware cloth/chicken wire but you got nice bends
with
window screen.) and then they were made ala paper mache' by cutting
strips
of fiberglass auto body repai cloth, soaking them in ciment fondue and
laying on. After covering you could apply several coats of CF with a
brush
over next few days.
In using the silicone molds we simply covered an existing fiberglass
imported slab with mold release and used caulk guns with 100% silicone
caulk
and the same fiberglass auto body strips ( for strength) to cover the
slab.
After it set it pulled off and we had a mold that you could lay over a
small
pile of sand that could be arranged to different shapes however you
liked.
Regards,
Dale Cochoy, Wild Things Bonsai Studio, Hartville, Ohio
http://www.WildThingsBonsai.Com
Specializing in power wood carving tools.
Yakimono no Kokoro bonsai pottery of hand-built stoneware


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bart Thomas"
Subject: [IBC] Ciment Fondu


Allen, et al.:
I have been following this thread with interest because I had
never heard
of
Ciment Fondu until noting its use in the projects from this
beautiful
book.

Bart,
I'm suprised. I thought Chase had done some work with it.
If you have the BCI "Indices" you could search it. I remember
several years
Back when Bill V. had speakers ( Bill Jordan) who did some
Ciment Fondue
work. I remembr they made a tall mountain that my late friend
Mel Tellus
bought in the Saturday night auction. I'm sure these pics are
in the old
mags.

There's a detailed how-to article on Colin Lewis' site.
http://www.btinternet.com/~colinlewi...ng/Cement.html

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Only where
people have learned to appreciate and cherish the landscape and
its living cover will they treat it with the care and respect it
should have - Paul Bigelow Sears.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bart Thomas"
Subject: [IBC] Ciment Fondu


Allen, et al.:
I have been following this thread with interest because I had
never heard
of
Ciment Fondu until noting its use in the projects from this
beautiful
book.

Bart,
I'm suprised. I thought Chase had done some work with it.
If you have the BCI "Indices" you could search it. I remember
several years
Back when Bill V. had speakers ( Bill Jordan) who did some
Ciment Fondue
work. I remembr they made a tall mountain that my late friend
Mel Tellus
bought in the Saturday night auction. I'm sure these pics are
in the old
mags.

There's a detailed how-to article on Colin Lewis' site.
http://www.btinternet.com/~colinlewi...ng/Cement.html

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Only where
people have learned to appreciate and cherish the landscape and
its living cover will they treat it with the care and respect it
should have - Paul Bigelow Sears.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bart Thomas"
Subject: [IBC] Ciment Fondu


Allen, et al.:
I have been following this thread with interest because I had
never heard
of
Ciment Fondu until noting its use in the projects from this
beautiful
book.

Bart,
I'm suprised. I thought Chase had done some work with it.
If you have the BCI "Indices" you could search it. I remember
several years
Back when Bill V. had speakers ( Bill Jordan) who did some
Ciment Fondue
work. I remembr they made a tall mountain that my late friend
Mel Tellus
bought in the Saturday night auction. I'm sure these pics are
in the old
mags.

There's a detailed how-to article on Colin Lewis' site.
http://www.btinternet.com/~colinlewi...ng/Cement.html

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Only where
people have learned to appreciate and cherish the landscape and
its living cover will they treat it with the care and respect it
should have - Paul Bigelow Sears.

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There's a detailed how-to article on Colin Lewis' site.
http://www.btinternet.com/~colinlewi...ng/Cement.html

Colin's tutorial is excellent apart from missing out the advice I gave
in my previous post. Don't forget to add the magic ingredient - a
proportion of Ordinary Cement, or the rapid set is not achieved.

Kev Bailey

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There's a detailed how-to article on Colin Lewis' site.
http://www.btinternet.com/~colinlewi...ng/Cement.html

Colin's tutorial is excellent apart from missing out the advice I gave
in my previous post. Don't forget to add the magic ingredient - a
proportion of Ordinary Cement, or the rapid set is not achieved.

Kev Bailey

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Hi Kevin. You graciously write,
Don't forget to add the magic ingredient - a
proportion of Ordinary Cement, or the rapid
set is not achieved

When my bonsai club created a ciment fondue slabs, they set for at least 24
hours. We might well have used Portland cement-- I would guess that we did.
Is there advantage to rapid-setting other than being "rapid?" Perhaps 24
hour setting is rapid though it would seem painfully slow for curing our
thin pours.

It was a great club project for team building. Every detail had its
importance. The product was awesome-- really satisfying. Too good for my
poor bonsai. I've been enjoying the slab for years as a garden element
which has wonderful seasons. Lichen love it!

The sand we used was carefully selected-- sharp & relatively fine, as I
recall. That seemed IMPORTANT at the time as well as not adding too much
water.

I'd jump at the opportunity to create another.

Best wishes,
Chris... C. Cochrane, , Richmond VA USA

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