to all,

well, i think its about time to call it quits. as of
late, i have been more discouraged about my art than ever.
i truly love bonsai. it is the only thing that could bring
me peace during a time of great turbulence in my life. but
now as i watch powerlessly as all my beautiful trees die, i
am almost certain that a chapter in my life has closed. i
can list all kinds of reasons. i guess i'll list some of
them here for my own sanity.
i don't have time. i am a young man with a wife and a
toddler. i work 50 to 55 hours a week to try to get ahead.
i think i might be able to maintain interest if i could
get my hands on something other than ficus, schefflera, or
boxwood. i have tried my local club but the only advice i
have been given is that i should go through mail order to
get good stuff (which i can't afford), or go to some
obscure nursery (which is always too far away). so i have
come to the conclusion that at least at this point in my
life, bonsai is not for me. i am 27 years old. all the
people at my local club that i have met or talked to are
over 50 (or at least significantly older than me). i wish
so much to feel like the last two and a half years in this
art were not wasted, but it gets harder every day. i look
at my trees now and feel helpless. i don't want to quit
but it seems i have no other option. due to the above
circumstances, my creativity has met its limit. i am
bored. so help me if you can. i hope this is not too
sappy for all of you. i mean all of this from my heart.
so thanks all for your kind words and wisdom. i hope to
hear from you soon.

in His grace,
adam roler
Indianapolis, Indiana

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Adam:

I wish I knew more about your tree dying problems but I'm sure I don't.
I'm fairly new to this but I have found a way to make the rest of my
busy life work and still be able to practice the hobby I love. I would
say do what you need to do. I have no real picture of your life but I
did read that you love bonsai and as such you should find some way to do
the things you love. Life's too short.

Maybe for now you need to put some trees in the ground and think long
term. Let mother nature take care of them and let them grow and get a
fat trunk and come back to them in a few years. Buys some $5 Lowe's or
Home Depot junipers and have fun with them. Prune them and stick them
in the ground until you have the time or money to do more. Cruise the
web sites, hit the club meetings when you can, but keep the love for
bonsai alive. Maybe it has to be dormant for a few months or years but
in the end you'll come back to it.

My club has a mix, but is also mostly people older than me. I take that
as a challenge and I try to have fun with them. I try to be the funny
younger guy. I try to let them teach me what they know. In the end we
all benefit.

I'm sure some people in this list may be able to give you advice for
local nurseries. I have a few local favorites that I try to go to each
year and buy 1 tree. Maybe for now you can't do that, OR maybe for now
you can get 1 tree a year and that's it. Check out free sources....find
a way to dig some of your own for free. Even if it's just one a year
and even if you stick it in the ground for later you're keeping "it"
alive.

I can tell by your tone that you love it. Find a way to hang in there.
As we say in our club...."When in Doubt....Put them in the ground!"

Bil



== -----Original Message-----
== From: Internet Bonsai Club ] On
Behalf
== Of adam roler
== Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 9:31 PM
== To:
== Subject: [IBC] bored
==
== to all,
==
== well, i think its about time to call it quits. as of
== late, i have been more discouraged about my art than ever.
== i truly love bonsai. it is the only thing that could bring
== me peace during a time of great turbulence in my life. but
== now as i watch powerlessly as all my beautiful trees die, i
== am almost certain that a chapter in my life has closed. i
== can list all kinds of reasons. i guess i'll list some of
== them here for my own sanity.
== i don't have time. i am a young man with a wife and a
== toddler. i work 50 to 55 hours a week to try to get ahead.
== i think i might be able to maintain interest if i could
== get my hands on something other than ficus, schefflera, or
== boxwood. i have tried my local club but the only advice i
== have been given is that i should go through mail order to
== get good stuff (which i can't afford), or go to some
== obscure nursery (which is always too far away). so i have
== come to the conclusion that at least at this point in my
== life, bonsai is not for me. i am 27 years old. all the
== people at my local club that i have met or talked to are
== over 50 (or at least significantly older than me). i wish
== so much to feel like the last two and a half years in this
== art were not wasted, but it gets harder every day. i look
== at my trees now and feel helpless. i don't want to quit
== but it seems i have no other option. due to the above
== circumstances, my creativity has met its limit. i am
== bored. so help me if you can. i hope this is not too
== sappy for all of you. i mean all of this from my heart.
== so thanks all for your kind words and wisdom. i hope to
== hear from you soon.
==
== in His grace,
== adam roler
== Indianapolis, Indiana
==
== =====
== "...we have (still) a great need for a Savior, and a great Savior
for
== our need." -Derek Webb
==
==
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Adam:

I wish I knew more about your tree dying problems but I'm sure I don't.
I'm fairly new to this but I have found a way to make the rest of my
busy life work and still be able to practice the hobby I love. I would
say do what you need to do. I have no real picture of your life but I
did read that you love bonsai and as such you should find some way to do
the things you love. Life's too short.

Maybe for now you need to put some trees in the ground and think long
term. Let mother nature take care of them and let them grow and get a
fat trunk and come back to them in a few years. Buys some $5 Lowe's or
Home Depot junipers and have fun with them. Prune them and stick them
in the ground until you have the time or money to do more. Cruise the
web sites, hit the club meetings when you can, but keep the love for
bonsai alive. Maybe it has to be dormant for a few months or years but
in the end you'll come back to it.

My club has a mix, but is also mostly people older than me. I take that
as a challenge and I try to have fun with them. I try to be the funny
younger guy. I try to let them teach me what they know. In the end we
all benefit.

I'm sure some people in this list may be able to give you advice for
local nurseries. I have a few local favorites that I try to go to each
year and buy 1 tree. Maybe for now you can't do that, OR maybe for now
you can get 1 tree a year and that's it. Check out free sources....find
a way to dig some of your own for free. Even if it's just one a year
and even if you stick it in the ground for later you're keeping "it"
alive.

I can tell by your tone that you love it. Find a way to hang in there.
As we say in our club...."When in Doubt....Put them in the ground!"

Bil



== -----Original Message-----
== From: Internet Bonsai Club ] On
Behalf
== Of adam roler
== Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 9:31 PM
== To:
== Subject: [IBC] bored
==
== to all,
==
== well, i think its about time to call it quits. as of
== late, i have been more discouraged about my art than ever.
== i truly love bonsai. it is the only thing that could bring
== me peace during a time of great turbulence in my life. but
== now as i watch powerlessly as all my beautiful trees die, i
== am almost certain that a chapter in my life has closed. i
== can list all kinds of reasons. i guess i'll list some of
== them here for my own sanity.
== i don't have time. i am a young man with a wife and a
== toddler. i work 50 to 55 hours a week to try to get ahead.
== i think i might be able to maintain interest if i could
== get my hands on something other than ficus, schefflera, or
== boxwood. i have tried my local club but the only advice i
== have been given is that i should go through mail order to
== get good stuff (which i can't afford), or go to some
== obscure nursery (which is always too far away). so i have
== come to the conclusion that at least at this point in my
== life, bonsai is not for me. i am 27 years old. all the
== people at my local club that i have met or talked to are
== over 50 (or at least significantly older than me). i wish
== so much to feel like the last two and a half years in this
== art were not wasted, but it gets harder every day. i look
== at my trees now and feel helpless. i don't want to quit
== but it seems i have no other option. due to the above
== circumstances, my creativity has met its limit. i am
== bored. so help me if you can. i hope this is not too
== sappy for all of you. i mean all of this from my heart.
== so thanks all for your kind words and wisdom. i hope to
== hear from you soon.
==
== in His grace,
== adam roler
== Indianapolis, Indiana
==
== =====
== "...we have (still) a great need for a Savior, and a great Savior
for
== our need." -Derek Webb
==
==
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Adam:
As a 74 year old curmudgeon, I think you have the good conscience to
understand the priorities in your life. The raising of your family
should always come first, and the time for a hobby should be one of the
last elemnets in your priority list.

I spent 30 some years working 80 hours a week including 18 years
commuting 65 miles one way, so I am thoroughly versed on time management.

The best advice you were given, in my humble opinion, is put the trees
in the ground, but I will add that reading can be the substitute for
"doing" Bonsai right now. There are usually many books at the library
that could keep you occupied for years studying and preparing yourself
for the day you find time for your hobby. Of course dropping in on the
IBC will also keep your feet in the water, so just do the best you can
in managing your time with the proper priorities, and don't beat up on
yourself too much.

Take care of the family first, your children will grow up and leave home
soon enough! Bonsai will always be there in the background. It is the
hobby of your choice that will be waiting for you when you find the time.

Best regards and good luck,

Carl L. Rosner - near Atlantic City zone 6/7
http://bmee.net/rosner
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adam roler wrote:

to all,

well, i think its about time to call it quits. as of
late, i have been more discouraged about my art than ever.
i truly love bonsai. it is the only thing that could bring
me peace during a time of great turbulence in my life. but
now as i watch powerlessly as all my beautiful trees die, i
am almost certain that a chapter in my life has closed. i
can list all kinds of reasons. i guess i'll list some of
them here for my own sanity.
i don't have time. i am a young man with a wife and a
toddler. i work 50 to 55 hours a week to try to get ahead.
i think i might be able to maintain interest if i could
get my hands on something other than ficus, schefflera, or
boxwood. i have tried my local club but the only advice i
have been given is that i should go through mail order to
get good stuff (which i can't afford), or go to some
obscure nursery (which is always too far away). so i have
come to the conclusion that at least at this point in my
life, bonsai is not for me. i am 27 years old. all the
people at my local club that i have met or talked to are
over 50 (or at least significantly older than me). i wish
so much to feel like the last two and a half years in this
art were not wasted, but it gets harder every day. i look
at my trees now and feel helpless. i don't want to quit
but it seems i have no other option. due to the above
circumstances, my creativity has met its limit. i am
bored. so help me if you can. i hope this is not too
sappy for all of you. i mean all of this from my heart.
so thanks all for your kind words and wisdom. i hope to
hear from you soon.







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Adam:
As a 74 year old curmudgeon, I think you have the good conscience to
understand the priorities in your life. The raising of your family
should always come first, and the time for a hobby should be one of the
last elemnets in your priority list.

I spent 30 some years working 80 hours a week including 18 years
commuting 65 miles one way, so I am thoroughly versed on time management.

The best advice you were given, in my humble opinion, is put the trees
in the ground, but I will add that reading can be the substitute for
"doing" Bonsai right now. There are usually many books at the library
that could keep you occupied for years studying and preparing yourself
for the day you find time for your hobby. Of course dropping in on the
IBC will also keep your feet in the water, so just do the best you can
in managing your time with the proper priorities, and don't beat up on
yourself too much.

Take care of the family first, your children will grow up and leave home
soon enough! Bonsai will always be there in the background. It is the
hobby of your choice that will be waiting for you when you find the time.

Best regards and good luck,

Carl L. Rosner - near Atlantic City zone 6/7
http://bmee.net/rosner
http://www.jamesbaird.com/cgi-bin/Ja...d=00000068 48
http://www.jamesbaird.com/cgi-bin/Ja...d=00000068 48


adam roler wrote:

to all,

well, i think its about time to call it quits. as of
late, i have been more discouraged about my art than ever.
i truly love bonsai. it is the only thing that could bring
me peace during a time of great turbulence in my life. but
now as i watch powerlessly as all my beautiful trees die, i
am almost certain that a chapter in my life has closed. i
can list all kinds of reasons. i guess i'll list some of
them here for my own sanity.
i don't have time. i am a young man with a wife and a
toddler. i work 50 to 55 hours a week to try to get ahead.
i think i might be able to maintain interest if i could
get my hands on something other than ficus, schefflera, or
boxwood. i have tried my local club but the only advice i
have been given is that i should go through mail order to
get good stuff (which i can't afford), or go to some
obscure nursery (which is always too far away). so i have
come to the conclusion that at least at this point in my
life, bonsai is not for me. i am 27 years old. all the
people at my local club that i have met or talked to are
over 50 (or at least significantly older than me). i wish
so much to feel like the last two and a half years in this
art were not wasted, but it gets harder every day. i look
at my trees now and feel helpless. i don't want to quit
but it seems i have no other option. due to the above
circumstances, my creativity has met its limit. i am
bored. so help me if you can. i hope this is not too
sappy for all of you. i mean all of this from my heart.
so thanks all for your kind words and wisdom. i hope to
hear from you soon.







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The most useful thing I can say to you is: I started to do bonsai at age
27. That's when my life began to settle down a bit.

The "time" needed to do bonsai can be spread around: all you absolutely
HAVE to do each day is water; the rest is flexible. When I was working
long hours, I had the trees on an automatic watering system (costs about
$30 these days). All I had to do was stick my head out the door and make
sure the gadget was working.

Your local club is either a bit clueless, or you are too shy. Any club
I've ever been in, people are happy to GIVE you things. People like me
with access to growing material always have too much. And even if they
can't give you stuff, there are club auctions where you can get stock
plants cheap.

I don't believe you when you say you only have access to schefflera and
boxwood. As far as mail-order goes, have you checked "Evergreen
Gardenworks"?- you can get pre-bonsai stock for 4-6 dollars. Plus you can
find all sorts of things at the corner nursery: barberry, hollies,
honeysuckle, cherries, etc. etc. etc. Anything with small leaves and a
nice trunk is a bonsai. You've heard dozens of people on this list go to
Home Depot at the end of the year and pick up good stuff for $5. Don't
tell me you can't find a *FIG*.

And trips to far-away nurseries can be justified: yesterday I made a trip
to Behnke's nursery in Beltsville, which would have been a ridiculous hike
except I combined it with a trip to [shudder] IKEA and grabbed some
barbeque (note to Chris, Dave, and Anita: there's a branch of "Hogs on the
Hill" a couple blocks from Behnke's]. Whenever I travel far away to a
nursery, I try to combine it with something practical or something my
significant other would enjoy, since trees aren't his thing.

If you want to take a break from bonsai and restock your energy, go ahead.
But nothing you've said convinces me you have a problem.

Nina, who can't wait for spring.

to all,

well, i think its about time to call it quits.
adam roler
Indianapolis, Indiana

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The most useful thing I can say to you is: I started to do bonsai at age
27. That's when my life began to settle down a bit.

The "time" needed to do bonsai can be spread around: all you absolutely
HAVE to do each day is water; the rest is flexible. When I was working
long hours, I had the trees on an automatic watering system (costs about
$30 these days). All I had to do was stick my head out the door and make
sure the gadget was working.

Your local club is either a bit clueless, or you are too shy. Any club
I've ever been in, people are happy to GIVE you things. People like me
with access to growing material always have too much. And even if they
can't give you stuff, there are club auctions where you can get stock
plants cheap.

I don't believe you when you say you only have access to schefflera and
boxwood. As far as mail-order goes, have you checked "Evergreen
Gardenworks"?- you can get pre-bonsai stock for 4-6 dollars. Plus you can
find all sorts of things at the corner nursery: barberry, hollies,
honeysuckle, cherries, etc. etc. etc. Anything with small leaves and a
nice trunk is a bonsai. You've heard dozens of people on this list go to
Home Depot at the end of the year and pick up good stuff for $5. Don't
tell me you can't find a *FIG*.

And trips to far-away nurseries can be justified: yesterday I made a trip
to Behnke's nursery in Beltsville, which would have been a ridiculous hike
except I combined it with a trip to [shudder] IKEA and grabbed some
barbeque (note to Chris, Dave, and Anita: there's a branch of "Hogs on the
Hill" a couple blocks from Behnke's]. Whenever I travel far away to a
nursery, I try to combine it with something practical or something my
significant other would enjoy, since trees aren't his thing.

If you want to take a break from bonsai and restock your energy, go ahead.
But nothing you've said convinces me you have a problem.

Nina, who can't wait for spring.

to all,

well, i think its about time to call it quits.
adam roler
Indianapolis, Indiana

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The most useful thing I can say to you is: I started to do bonsai at age
27. That's when my life began to settle down a bit.

The "time" needed to do bonsai can be spread around: all you absolutely
HAVE to do each day is water; the rest is flexible. When I was working
long hours, I had the trees on an automatic watering system (costs about
$30 these days). All I had to do was stick my head out the door and make
sure the gadget was working.

Your local club is either a bit clueless, or you are too shy. Any club
I've ever been in, people are happy to GIVE you things. People like me
with access to growing material always have too much. And even if they
can't give you stuff, there are club auctions where you can get stock
plants cheap.

I don't believe you when you say you only have access to schefflera and
boxwood. As far as mail-order goes, have you checked "Evergreen
Gardenworks"?- you can get pre-bonsai stock for 4-6 dollars. Plus you can
find all sorts of things at the corner nursery: barberry, hollies,
honeysuckle, cherries, etc. etc. etc. Anything with small leaves and a
nice trunk is a bonsai. You've heard dozens of people on this list go to
Home Depot at the end of the year and pick up good stuff for $5. Don't
tell me you can't find a *FIG*.

And trips to far-away nurseries can be justified: yesterday I made a trip
to Behnke's nursery in Beltsville, which would have been a ridiculous hike
except I combined it with a trip to [shudder] IKEA and grabbed some
barbeque (note to Chris, Dave, and Anita: there's a branch of "Hogs on the
Hill" a couple blocks from Behnke's]. Whenever I travel far away to a
nursery, I try to combine it with something practical or something my
significant other would enjoy, since trees aren't his thing.

If you want to take a break from bonsai and restock your energy, go ahead.
But nothing you've said convinces me you have a problem.

Nina, who can't wait for spring.

to all,

well, i think its about time to call it quits.
adam roler
Indianapolis, Indiana

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Adam:
As a 74 year old curmudgeon, I think you have the good
conscience to
understand the priorities in your life. The raising of your
family
should always come first, and the time for a hobby should be
one of the
last elemnets in your priority list.

I haven't hit the 70s yet, but I have to disagree just a bit with
our favorite septuagenarian (had to look THAT up!) here.

While family does come first, having a hobby -- especially a
hobby with growing things -- is often the only thing that can
keep you sane in this ugly-minded world we live in these days.
"Even" collecting stamps or matchbook covers is better for your
head than watching that little square box in your living room --
especially when mindless drivel like the Simpsons, or Survivor
and its ilk are on -- but a creating hobby, like bonsai, just
helps to keep your mind at rest.


I spent 30 some years working 80 hours a week including 18
years
commuting 65 miles one way, so I am thoroughly versed on time
management.

Now, I would NEVER have done that. Forty, sometimes 50, hours
was more than an ample amount of MY time to give to an employer
every week. The rest was rest and family time. And, for the
last 15-20 years of my working life, for bonsai.

Nina had the right idea. Bonsai doesn't need to take every
moment of your day -- though, in time it can, at least in the
spring. And you don't need a huge number of trees -- if you get
some that are interesting.

_I_ would be bored silly, too if all I had were figs and
scheffalera to work on; those are (IMHO) the two most boring
bonsai species to have for people who do not live in south
Florida, Hawaii, Indonesia or other hotspots where they can be
outside all year long.

And, the world does NOT end when a tree (or trees) die(s).

So, Adam, You might want to rethink dropping out of the world of
bonsai . . . but put it somewhere in your life where you don't
invest so much of yourself into it for now; it's not healthy to
obsess over losing a few trees.

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Only where
people have learned to appreciate and cherish the landscape and
its living cover will they treat it with the care and respect it
should have - Paul Bigelow Sears.

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Adam,

I feel like I must chime in here.

I tried to get "into" bonsai about 6 times in my life. First when I was
about eleven years old, again perhaps about 6 years later, etc. etc.
Finally about 6 years ago I started having some luck keeping trees alive,
and having them start to look like bonsai. My life is such that I can not
simply focus on my trees, and have that the central part of my
life/relaxation time, but I do feel none-the-less that is enriches my life,
and would not choose to let it go, even though there are times I feel I am
doing a shoddy job, and in good conscience, perhaps I shoud stop (darned
depressive episodes)...

In a nutshell, take a break, if you have a deep abiding interest in bonsai,
you will come back to it, perhaps the next round will be better. If you
never come back to bonsai, hopefully some of the lessons it teaches, and the
hopefully peaceful times it can provide will still have enriched your life.

But, I would caution, be wary of making decisions in haste borne of fatigue
or depression. At least with bonsai, should you decide to "quit", and
decide a couple weeks later that was a mistake, unless you have gotten rid
of all your tools, pots, etc. you can just start right up again.

Good luck to you, whatever you decide.

Sam Crowell
Klamath Falls, Oregon

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Adam,

I feel like I must chime in here.

I tried to get "into" bonsai about 6 times in my life. First when I was
about eleven years old, again perhaps about 6 years later, etc. etc.
Finally about 6 years ago I started having some luck keeping trees alive,
and having them start to look like bonsai. My life is such that I can not
simply focus on my trees, and have that the central part of my
life/relaxation time, but I do feel none-the-less that is enriches my life,
and would not choose to let it go, even though there are times I feel I am
doing a shoddy job, and in good conscience, perhaps I shoud stop (darned
depressive episodes)...

In a nutshell, take a break, if you have a deep abiding interest in bonsai,
you will come back to it, perhaps the next round will be better. If you
never come back to bonsai, hopefully some of the lessons it teaches, and the
hopefully peaceful times it can provide will still have enriched your life.

But, I would caution, be wary of making decisions in haste borne of fatigue
or depression. At least with bonsai, should you decide to "quit", and
decide a couple weeks later that was a mistake, unless you have gotten rid
of all your tools, pots, etc. you can just start right up again.

Good luck to you, whatever you decide.

Sam Crowell
Klamath Falls, Oregon

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(adam roler) held forth in
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to all,

well, i think its about time to call it quits.

Snip

in His grace,
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Indianapolis, Indiana

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Adam,

Been there, done that, the T-shirt already has holes in it. I got
interested in bonsai, took a shot at it and found that I either wasn't
ready to commit to it or didn't have the time. Ten years later I tried it
again, I have had much more success this time. I might spend 6 months
thinking about a major pruning before I do it. If you don't have the time
to devote to it now, well there you go. If you are bored, try something
new. Try some of the local varieties, go out and collect(when it warms up
a bit). Mulberrys, elms and eastern red cedar grow like weeds around
here. Go to the library and look up what local shrubs and trees are in
your area. Make a plan, give yourself something to look forward to.
I have a couple of tropicals in the house and they are starting to
look a little ratty. The rest of my trees are currently residing
underground waiting for spring or planted out in the yard under the snow.
This is about the least bonsai-exciting time of the year for me.
If you need to take a hiatus, do so. Bonsai will still be here
if/when you have the time/inclination.

--
Harry in Iowa

"Land of mystery 'cause nobody really lives there"

(adam roler) held forth in
o.com:

to all,

well, i think its about time to call it quits.

Snip

in His grace,
adam roler
Indianapolis, Indiana

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our need." -Derek Webb

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Adam,

Been there, done that, the T-shirt already has holes in it. I got
interested in bonsai, took a shot at it and found that I either wasn't
ready to commit to it or didn't have the time. Ten years later I tried it
again, I have had much more success this time. I might spend 6 months
thinking about a major pruning before I do it. If you don't have the time
to devote to it now, well there you go. If you are bored, try something
new. Try some of the local varieties, go out and collect(when it warms up
a bit). Mulberrys, elms and eastern red cedar grow like weeds around
here. Go to the library and look up what local shrubs and trees are in
your area. Make a plan, give yourself something to look forward to.
I have a couple of tropicals in the house and they are starting to
look a little ratty. The rest of my trees are currently residing
underground waiting for spring or planted out in the yard under the snow.
This is about the least bonsai-exciting time of the year for me.
If you need to take a hiatus, do so. Bonsai will still be here
if/when you have the time/inclination.

--
Harry in Iowa

"Land of mystery 'cause nobody really lives there"

HI
must be spring time:-)
I started 25 years ago and nevere dropped bonsais two amoung the
first ones are still in my possession and alive
a pentaphilla and a Deshojio maple pics can be seen in my gallery
many bonsais come in and were given to other people later, some died
because of frost like nice camelias ,2 I years ago gave away some
others and decided to *slow down*..ank keep my old ones and than I
started buying again others from nurseries and seedlings.. and i an
not getting younger :-).... but yesterday I was thinking again that I
should think to a write down a legacy about them before something
happens nobody in my family is interested so it wil be a pity for tehm
to die after years of constant cures ..
Yes doing Bonsai is a long term commitment and sometimes is
depressing as things do not go as fast as we are used to do
and planification in time must be done to reach the targets ..
so cheer up.. if you need quick gratification buy a nice one , or
change hobby!
Theo



adam roler wrote:

to all,

well, i think its about time to call it quits. as of
late, i have been more discouraged about my art than ever.
i truly love bonsai. it is the only thing that could bring
me peace during a time of great turbulence in my life. but
now as i watch powerlessly as all my beautiful trees die, i
am almost certain that a chapter in my life has closed. i
can list all kinds of reasons. i guess i'll list some of
them here for my own sanity.
i don't have time. i am a young man with a wife and a
toddler. i work 50 to 55 hours a week to try to get ahead.
i think i might be able to maintain interest if i could
get my hands on something other than ficus, schefflera, or
boxwood. i have tried my local club but the only advice i
have been given is that i should go through mail order to
get good stuff (which i can't afford), or go to some
obscure nursery (which is always too far away). so i have
come to the conclusion that at least at this point in my
life, bonsai is not for me. i am 27 years old. all the
people at my local club that i have met or talked to are
over 50 (or at least significantly older than me). i wish
so much to feel like the last two and a half years in this
art were not wasted, but it gets harder every day. i look
at my trees now and feel helpless. i don't want to quit
but it seems i have no other option. due to the above
circumstances, my creativity has met its limit. i am
bored. so help me if you can. i hope this is not too
sappy for all of you. i mean all of this from my heart.
so thanks all for your kind words and wisdom. i hope to
hear from you soon.

in His grace,
adam roler
Indianapolis, Indiana

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HI
must be spring time:-)
I started 25 years ago and nevere dropped bonsais two amoung the
first ones are still in my possession and alive
a pentaphilla and a Deshojio maple pics can be seen in my gallery
many bonsais come in and were given to other people later, some died
because of frost like nice camelias ,2 I years ago gave away some
others and decided to *slow down*..ank keep my old ones and than I
started buying again others from nurseries and seedlings.. and i an
not getting younger :-).... but yesterday I was thinking again that I
should think to a write down a legacy about them before something
happens nobody in my family is interested so it wil be a pity for tehm
to die after years of constant cures ..
Yes doing Bonsai is a long term commitment and sometimes is
depressing as things do not go as fast as we are used to do
and planification in time must be done to reach the targets ..
so cheer up.. if you need quick gratification buy a nice one , or
change hobby!
Theo



adam roler wrote:

to all,

well, i think its about time to call it quits. as of
late, i have been more discouraged about my art than ever.
i truly love bonsai. it is the only thing that could bring
me peace during a time of great turbulence in my life. but
now as i watch powerlessly as all my beautiful trees die, i
am almost certain that a chapter in my life has closed. i
can list all kinds of reasons. i guess i'll list some of
them here for my own sanity.
i don't have time. i am a young man with a wife and a
toddler. i work 50 to 55 hours a week to try to get ahead.
i think i might be able to maintain interest if i could
get my hands on something other than ficus, schefflera, or
boxwood. i have tried my local club but the only advice i
have been given is that i should go through mail order to
get good stuff (which i can't afford), or go to some
obscure nursery (which is always too far away). so i have
come to the conclusion that at least at this point in my
life, bonsai is not for me. i am 27 years old. all the
people at my local club that i have met or talked to are
over 50 (or at least significantly older than me). i wish
so much to feel like the last two and a half years in this
art were not wasted, but it gets harder every day. i look
at my trees now and feel helpless. i don't want to quit
but it seems i have no other option. due to the above
circumstances, my creativity has met its limit. i am
bored. so help me if you can. i hope this is not too
sappy for all of you. i mean all of this from my heart.
so thanks all for your kind words and wisdom. i hope to
hear from you soon.

in His grace,
adam roler
Indianapolis, Indiana

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