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From: "Craig Cowing" Subject: [IBC] Pacific Rim Bonsai Collection Call
to Artists


Jim Lewis wrote:

snip

The display stands/pedestals may be of traditional
design,
but special consideration will be given to those that interact
with the
bonsai in novel and imaginative ways.

Hmm.
As the husband of an award-winning sculptor -- Pfooie!

Jim Lewis - -


Ah, out comes the curmudgeon from his hiding place! Jim, this isn't any
different
than pot competitions. I think it's a great idea. I may even enter the
contest.
So, double Pfooie!! ;0}

Craig Cowing
NY
Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37

I think this is interesting and might have even decided to try making
something of a display with ceramics or even ceramics & wood combo,( since
I didn't get in on the Bonsai InSites thing,) but, NOT with a little less
than a month for a deadline! ( I didn't notice anywhere when this was
originally posted). I'm always open to something "off the wall"
Regards,
Dale Cochoy

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From: "Jim Lewis"
Subject: [IBC] Pacific Rim Bonsai Collection Call to Artists

Enter if you wish, but, like a daiza isn't ART, neither is this!


Jim, THAT'S gonna get you some emails!! :)
Dale

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lewis"
Subject: [IBC] Pacific Rim Bonsai Collection Call to Artists

Enter if you wish, but, like a daiza isn't ART, neither is this!


Jim, THAT'S gonna get you some emails!! :)
Dale

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lewis"
Subject: [IBC] Pacific Rim Bonsai Collection Call to Artists

Enter if you wish, but, like a daiza isn't ART, neither is this!


Jim, THAT'S gonna get you some emails!! :)
Dale

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Cowing" Subject: [IBC] Pacific Rim Bonsai Collection Call
to Artists


Jim Lewis wrote:

snip

The display stands/pedestals may be of traditional
design,
but special consideration will be given to those that interact
with the
bonsai in novel and imaginative ways.

Hmm.
As the husband of an award-winning sculptor -- Pfooie!

Jim Lewis - -


Ah, out comes the curmudgeon from his hiding place! Jim, this isn't any
different
than pot competitions. I think it's a great idea. I may even enter the
contest.
So, double Pfooie!! ;0}

Craig Cowing
NY
Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37

I think this is interesting and might have even decided to try making
something of a display with ceramics or even ceramics & wood combo,( since
I didn't get in on the Bonsai InSites thing,) but, NOT with a little less
than a month for a deadline! ( I didn't notice anywhere when this was
originally posted). I'm always open to something "off the wall"
Regards,
Dale Cochoy

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lewis"
Subject: [IBC] Pacific Rim Bonsai Collection Call to Artists

Enter if you wish, but, like a daiza isn't ART, neither is this!


Jim, THAT'S gonna get you some emails!! :)
Dale

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lewis"
Subject: [IBC] Pacific Rim Bonsai Collection Call to
Artists

Enter if you wish, but, like a daiza isn't ART, neither is
this!


Jim, THAT'S gonna get you some emails!! :)
Dale

Well, not yet, but as Andy noted to me -- offlist -- the extent
to which bonsai is an art is . . . so, at least partially,
because the tree/pot/stand/etc... harmonize for a cohesive
(single) image. This business of working to make one of those
elements
conspicuous only occurs at the expense of the overall display. .
.. . In other words, making any part of the composition
conspicuous makes, by definition, the "composition" fall apart
and become a ridiculous mess.

If Pac. Rim want to highlight stand or pot art, they need to do
so outside of the realm of bonsai.

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Only where
people have learned to appreciate and cherish the landscape and
its living cover will they treat it with the care and respect it
should have - Paul Bigelow Sears.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lewis"
Subject: [IBC] Pacific Rim Bonsai Collection Call to
Artists

Enter if you wish, but, like a daiza isn't ART, neither is
this!


Jim, THAT'S gonna get you some emails!! :)
Dale

Well, not yet, but as Andy noted to me -- offlist -- the extent
to which bonsai is an art is . . . so, at least partially,
because the tree/pot/stand/etc... harmonize for a cohesive
(single) image. This business of working to make one of those
elements
conspicuous only occurs at the expense of the overall display. .
.. . In other words, making any part of the composition
conspicuous makes, by definition, the "composition" fall apart
and become a ridiculous mess.

If Pac. Rim want to highlight stand or pot art, they need to do
so outside of the realm of bonsai.

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Only where
people have learned to appreciate and cherish the landscape and
its living cover will they treat it with the care and respect it
should have - Paul Bigelow Sears.

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Such a dither!! What Andy says is correct. But any assumption
that a competition that focuses on one part of display will result in "a
ridiculous mess" also assumes that the jury will not appreciate the need
for harmony in composition. 'Tain't necessarily so.
Bonsai stands can enhance or ruin a bonsai display. I seem to
recall that the announcement mentioned that the stands would be matched
to specific bonsai, so the artist who enters should realize the need for
compositional harmony, if they hope to win. I'm sure there will be a
few ridiculous messes, but what's the harm?
I don't see how bonsai is threatened by events like these.
Mostly the traditional styles are superior, but occasionally someone
manages to come up with a novel idea which will eventually become one of
the "traditional" styles. Such scolding stifles creativity and sucks
the fun out of bonsai. No wonder we're such a geriatric group on the
whole!
Alan Walker
http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lewis
Enter if you wish, but, like a daiza isn't ART, neither is this!
Jim, THAT'S gonna get you some emails!! :)
Dale
Well, not yet, but as Andy noted to me -- offlist -- the extent
to which bonsai is an art is . . . so, at least partially, because the
tree/pot/stand/etc... harmonize for a cohesive (single) image. This
business of working to make one of those elements conspicuous only
occurs at the expense of the overall display. .
.. . In other words, making any part of the composition conspicuous
makes, by definition, the "composition" fall apart and become a
ridiculous mess.
If Pac. Rim wants to highlight stand or pot art, they need to do
so outside of the realm of bonsai.
Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL

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Such a dither!!

I dunno. Someone has to get excited about something here.

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I don't see how bonsai is threatened by events like these.
Mostly the traditional styles are superior, but occasionally
someone
manages to come up with a novel idea which will eventually
become one of
the "traditional" styles. Such scolding stifles creativity and
sucks
the fun out of bonsai. No wonder we're such a geriatric group
on the
whole!

Oh, bonsai isn't "threatened."

It may not be advanced much, though.

MY point was (and is) that to call these "art" is a bit silly. I
can't imagine a real sculptor having a go.

I'm often wrong, though.

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Apples and
Oranges: A Demonstration -- Welcome to Hooterville! Population:
2000. Elevation: 3000. Established: 1850. TOTAL = 6850 -- Bob
Lilienfield

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Alan Walker wrote:

Such a dither!!

snip

I don't see how bonsai is threatened by events like these.
Mostly the traditional styles are superior, but occasionally someone
manages to come up with a novel idea which will eventually become one of
the "traditional" styles. Such scolding stifles creativity and sucks
the fun out of bonsai. No wonder we're such a geriatric group on the
whole!
Alan Walker

The only thing that is threatened by events such as these is a closed mind.

Craig Cowing
NY
Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37

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(Jim Lewis) writes:
I think I would take exception to calling a stand for a bonsai a
"sculpture," much less a work of art.

I agree to a point.

A sculpture should be _at least_ the equal to a bonsai as a work
of art, not something for another work of art to squat upon.

I think the rigidity of thinking that one piece of the whole is
subservient to the other would be saying that those folks who create
beautiful bonsai pots are not in fact artists/sculptures.

A tree in a plastic pot can be beautiful can be nice looking.
A nice (empty) bonsai pot, can be a thing of beauty.

But the same tree, presented in that beautiful pot (assuming they go
together) can be fantastic.

In the same way, the potted tree, presented on a fantastic stand, will
join to be a greater thing of beauty.

If i were the sculpture of the stand, i would need to see the tree to
make decisions on proportion, design, flow, etc.... (sounds like that
is their intent:

The Pacific Rim Bonsai Collection will produce an exhibit of trees
selected from our permanent collection that will be displayed on
original design stands and pedestals that have been created to interact
with a specific tree.

I think the idea is to create a piece of work that is synergistic with
the bonsai... so that the combination of the bonsai and the stand
become a new single entity to be appreciated. Think of it as a
collaboration of the bonsai, pot, and stand sculptors.

Perhaps i've misunderstood your specific problem jim?

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(Jim Lewis) writes:
I think I would take exception to calling a stand for a bonsai a
"sculpture," much less a work of art.

I agree to a point.

A sculpture should be _at least_ the equal to a bonsai as a work
of art, not something for another work of art to squat upon.

I think the rigidity of thinking that one piece of the whole is
subservient to the other would be saying that those folks who create
beautiful bonsai pots are not in fact artists/sculptures.

A tree in a plastic pot can be beautiful can be nice looking.
A nice (empty) bonsai pot, can be a thing of beauty.

But the same tree, presented in that beautiful pot (assuming they go
together) can be fantastic.

In the same way, the potted tree, presented on a fantastic stand, will
join to be a greater thing of beauty.

If i were the sculpture of the stand, i would need to see the tree to
make decisions on proportion, design, flow, etc.... (sounds like that
is their intent:

The Pacific Rim Bonsai Collection will produce an exhibit of trees
selected from our permanent collection that will be displayed on
original design stands and pedestals that have been created to interact
with a specific tree.

I think the idea is to create a piece of work that is synergistic with
the bonsai... so that the combination of the bonsai and the stand
become a new single entity to be appreciated. Think of it as a
collaboration of the bonsai, pot, and stand sculptors.

Perhaps i've misunderstood your specific problem jim?

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(Jim Lewis) writes:
I think I would take exception to calling a stand for a bonsai a
"sculpture," much less a work of art.

I agree to a point.

A sculpture should be _at least_ the equal to a bonsai as a work
of art, not something for another work of art to squat upon.

I think the rigidity of thinking that one piece of the whole is
subservient to the other would be saying that those folks who create
beautiful bonsai pots are not in fact artists/sculptures.

A tree in a plastic pot can be beautiful can be nice looking.
A nice (empty) bonsai pot, can be a thing of beauty.

But the same tree, presented in that beautiful pot (assuming they go
together) can be fantastic.

In the same way, the potted tree, presented on a fantastic stand, will
join to be a greater thing of beauty.

If i were the sculpture of the stand, i would need to see the tree to
make decisions on proportion, design, flow, etc.... (sounds like that
is their intent:

The Pacific Rim Bonsai Collection will produce an exhibit of trees
selected from our permanent collection that will be displayed on
original design stands and pedestals that have been created to interact
with a specific tree.

I think the idea is to create a piece of work that is synergistic with
the bonsai... so that the combination of the bonsai and the stand
become a new single entity to be appreciated. Think of it as a
collaboration of the bonsai, pot, and stand sculptors.

Perhaps i've misunderstood your specific problem jim?

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(Jim Lewis) writes:
I think I would take exception to calling a stand for a bonsai a
"sculpture," much less a work of art.

I agree to a point.

A sculpture should be _at least_ the equal to a bonsai as a work
of art, not something for another work of art to squat upon.

I think the rigidity of thinking that one piece of the whole is
subservient to the other would be saying that those folks who create
beautiful bonsai pots are not in fact artists/sculptures.

A tree in a plastic pot can be beautiful can be nice looking.
A nice (empty) bonsai pot, can be a thing of beauty.

But the same tree, presented in that beautiful pot (assuming they go
together) can be fantastic.

In the same way, the potted tree, presented on a fantastic stand, will
join to be a greater thing of beauty.

If i were the sculpture of the stand, i would need to see the tree to
make decisions on proportion, design, flow, etc.... (sounds like that
is their intent:

The Pacific Rim Bonsai Collection will produce an exhibit of trees
selected from our permanent collection that will be displayed on
original design stands and pedestals that have been created to interact
with a specific tree.

I think the idea is to create a piece of work that is synergistic with
the bonsai... so that the combination of the bonsai and the stand
become a new single entity to be appreciated. Think of it as a
collaboration of the bonsai, pot, and stand sculptors.

Perhaps i've misunderstood your specific problem jim?

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