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[IBC] Crab apple root gall
I have many Crab apples that have been grown from seed over the past 15
years. Some are now starting to thicken up and a couple are flowering. Some of the best shaped ones have developed crown gall. After a lengthy and disheartening Google session I found Brents article on Crab Apples. The part I'm interested in states:- "Crown gall is sometimes a 'problem'. This is a parasite that makes warty nodules on the surface roots and crown of the plant. It seems to cause no adverse symptoms, and some of my trees have lived with it for years. The wonderful thing about it is that it creates spectacular nebari. I have one plant in training that has about a two inch trunk, but the gall covers about ten inches of root surface, which will nearly fill the pot when it is finished" I've seen no adverse effects in the growth of the trees either but many of the Agricultural Extension Agents and other Tree disease specialists state that the trees should be destroyed. Just wondered what experience anyone else has, or if Brent still holds this view. Best wishes Kev Bailey Zone 9 Wales UK --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.613 / Virus Database: 392 - Release Date: 04/03/2004 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Ken Rutledge++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Crab apple root gall
I've seen no adverse effects in the growth of the trees either but many of the Agricultural Extension Agents and other Tree disease specialists state that the trees should be destroyed. Just wondered what experience anyone else has, or if Brent still holds this view. If you live in an area where apples or pears are a major commercial crop, perhaps some concern might be warranted. I doubt, however, that much is gonna spread from a bonsai or two. I think I recall, though, that the dreaded Chinese (longhorn??) beetle has spread from imported trees -- as well as crates and packaging. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Only where people have learned to appreciate and cherish the landscape and its living cover will they treat it with the care and respect it should have - Paul Bigelow Sears. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Ken Rutledge++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Crab apple root gall
I've seen no adverse effects in the growth of the trees either but many of the Agricultural Extension Agents and other Tree disease specialists state that the trees should be destroyed. Just wondered what experience anyone else has, or if Brent still holds this view. If you live in an area where apples or pears are a major commercial crop, perhaps some concern might be warranted. I doubt, however, that much is gonna spread from a bonsai or two. I think I recall, though, that the dreaded Chinese (longhorn??) beetle has spread from imported trees -- as well as crates and packaging. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Only where people have learned to appreciate and cherish the landscape and its living cover will they treat it with the care and respect it should have - Paul Bigelow Sears. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Ken Rutledge++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Crab apple root gall
Kevin,
I had a number of apple trees that were collected, about 45 years of age and they had the nodules on the roots. I never had one die or even suffer from the disease. In fact, the appearance of the surface roots was so good I tried to introduce it to other apples! Jerry Meislik Whitefish Montana USA Zone 4-5 http://www.bonsaihunk.8m.com/ I have many Crab apples that have been grown from seed over the past 15 years. Some are now starting to thicken up and a couple are flowering. Some of the best shaped ones have developed crown gall. After a lengthy and disheartening Google session I found Brents article on Crab Apples. The part I'm interested in states:- "Crown gall is sometimes a 'problem'. This is a parasite that makes warty nodules on the surface roots and crown of the plant. It seems to cause no adverse symptoms, and some of my trees have lived with it for years. The wonderful thing about it is that it creates spectacular nebari. I have one plant in training that has about a two inch trunk, but the gall covers about ten inches of root surface, which will nearly fill the pot when it is finished" I've seen no adverse effects in the growth of the trees either but many of the Agricultural Extension Agents and other Tree disease specialists state that the trees should be destroyed. Just wondered what experience anyone else has, or if Brent still holds this view. Best wishes Kev Bailey Zone 9 Wales UK ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Ken Rutledge++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Crab apple root gall
Well, that's not a good idea. Those galls are caused by root aphids, and
they, over the long haul, can debilitate a crab, and make it more susceptible to any other disease. I would bare-root the tree and carefully wash between the nodules, using a Q-tip to get into cracks. But of course use your judgement: if your trees are likely to be more stressed by the bare-rooting than by the aphids, leave them be. The aphids attack the roots of crabapples and the foliage of elms, so be alert if you have elms. Kevin, I had a number of apple trees that were collected, about 45 years of age and they had the nodules on the roots. I never had one die or even suffer from the disease. In fact, the appearance of the surface roots was so good I tried to introduce it to other apples! Jerry Meislik Nina ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Ken Rutledge++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Crab apple root gall
I have many Crab apples that have been grown from seed over the past 15
years. Some are now starting to thicken up and a couple are flowering. Some of the best shaped ones have developed crown gall. That's what I get for starting at the *end* of a thread. Are you sure this is crown gall? I don't know the situation in Wales; in the US galls on apple roots are often caused by root aphids. Crown gall isn't common, and isn't easily spread in a bonsai-situation (you'll want to sterilize your pruning tools after use, however!). If I had a tree with crown-gall, I wouldn't worry about it, but if I lived next to a commercial orchard, I'd call Cooperative Extension and get their opinion on whether I needed to take precautions as a good neighbor. Folks in the US should look for root aphids, though. Nina ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Ken Rutledge++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Crab apple root gall
Nina,
My impression was that the parasite causing the galls was a nematode. See http://plant-disease.ippc.orst.edu/a...m?article_id=1 In any case your suggestions on caution are well advised, but to not belabor the point the disease did not seem to harm the apple bonsai which I had and were collected with it over a period of over ten years. Jerry Meislik Whitefish Montana USA Zone 4-5 http://www.bonsaihunk.8m.com/ Well, that's not a good idea. Those galls are caused by root aphids, and they, over the long haul, can debilitate a crab, and make it more susceptible to any other disease. I would bare-root the tree and carefully wash between the nodules, using a Q-tip to get into cracks. But of course use your judgement: if your trees are likely to be more stressed by the bare-rooting than by the aphids, leave them be. The aphids attack the roots of crabapples and the foliage of elms, so be alert if you have elms. Kevin, I had a number of apple trees that were collected, about 45 years of age and they had the nodules on the roots. I never had one die or even suffer from the disease. In fact, the appearance of the surface roots was so good I tried to introduce it to other apples! Jerry Meislik Nina ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Ken Rutledge++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Crab apple root gall
Nina,
My impression was that the parasite causing the galls was a nematode. See http://plant-disease.ippc.orst.edu/a...m?article_id=1 In any case your suggestions on caution are well advised, but to not belabor the point the disease did not seem to harm the apple bonsai which I had and were collected with it over a period of over ten years. Jerry Meislik Whitefish Montana USA Zone 4-5 http://www.bonsaihunk.8m.com/ Well, that's not a good idea. Those galls are caused by root aphids, and they, over the long haul, can debilitate a crab, and make it more susceptible to any other disease. I would bare-root the tree and carefully wash between the nodules, using a Q-tip to get into cracks. But of course use your judgement: if your trees are likely to be more stressed by the bare-rooting than by the aphids, leave them be. The aphids attack the roots of crabapples and the foliage of elms, so be alert if you have elms. Kevin, I had a number of apple trees that were collected, about 45 years of age and they had the nodules on the roots. I never had one die or even suffer from the disease. In fact, the appearance of the surface roots was so good I tried to introduce it to other apples! Jerry Meislik Nina ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Ken Rutledge++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Crab apple root gall
Nina,
My impression was that the parasite causing the galls was a nematode. See http://plant-disease.ippc.orst.edu/a...m?article_id=1 But gall nematodes are not found on apple. People like to blame nematodes for a lot, but I have to pick a gall apart and find the nematode, then key it out before I believe it. Whereas, I see root aphids on crabapple bonsai all the time. Nina. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Ken Rutledge++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Crab apple root gall
I have come across Rust on my Hawthorns and Junipers sometime back. They
appear as galls. I had to keep my Hawthorns away from all my other trees to prevent it spreading. I eventually dumped all the Hawthorns. Rust usually affects apples, but I was lucky ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Ken Rutledge++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Crab apple root gall
I have come across Rust on my Hawthorns and Junipers sometime back. They
appear as galls. I had to keep my Hawthorns away from all my other trees to prevent it spreading. I eventually dumped all the Hawthorns. Rust usually affects apples, but I was lucky ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Ken Rutledge++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Crab apple root gall
I have come across Rust on my Hawthorns and Junipers sometime back.They
appear as galls. I had to keep my Hawthorns away from all my other trees to prevent it spreading. I eventually dumped all the Hawthorns. Rusr usually affects apples, but I was lucky ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Ken Rutledge++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Crab apple root gall
I have come across Rust on my Hawthorns and Junipers sometime back.They
appear as galls. I had to keep my Hawthorns away from all my other trees to prevent it spreading. I eventually dumped all the Hawthorns. Rusr usually affects apples, but I was lucky ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Ken Rutledge++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Crab apple root gall
I have come across Rust on my Hawthorns and Junipers sometime back. They
appear as galls. I had to keep my Hawthorns away from all my other trees to prevent it spreading. I eventually dumped all the Hawthorns. Rust usually affects apples, but I was lucky ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Ken Rutledge++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Crab apple root gall
I have come across Rust on my Hawthorns and Junipers sometime back. They
appear as galls. I had to keep my Hawthorns away from all my other trees to prevent it spreading. I eventually dumped all the Hawthorns. Rust usually affects apples, but I was lucky ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Ken Rutledge++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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