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Ben Griffin 31-01-2003 12:03 PM

[IBC] Back Budding
 
Does anyone know if san hose juniper backbuds easily.
If it does what can i do to encourage it this spring.

Ben

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Andy Rutledge 31-01-2003 01:32 PM

[IBC] Back Budding
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Griffin"
Does anyone know if san hose juniper backbuds easily.
If it does what can i do to encourage it this spring
Ben

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It is my experience that San Jose are pretty tough and can be made to
backbud just as procumbens can; by cutting back hard (but leaving healthy
foliage). I don't think that it would be good to cut back hard on the
entire tree, but rather in stages, different parts of the tree at different
times, each time allowing for recovery (and fertilizing a LOT beforehand).

Often, simply wiring tightly can induce new buds on the interior of branches
(but this also leaves scars from the tight wire).

Kind regards,
Andy Rutledge
zone 8, Texas

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Kitsune Miko 14-03-2004 05:54 AM

[IBC] back budding
 
It should bud back. Just try and stop it. I keep
rubbing elm buds off of my tree trunks. Did you just
transplant as well?

Kitsune Miko

PS your email address doesn't accept my replies.

--- MadSweeney wrote:
is there any way to induce a chinese elm to bud back
on the branches? i
stripped it too clean while trial and erroring. is
there a fertillizer
combo that will help out or cutting techniques? i'm
in l.a., zone 10.
thanks


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MadSweeney 14-03-2004 08:10 AM

[IBC] back budding
 
no, i think i may have missed the window. i'm talking next week to my local
bonsai nursery. but it will back bud like mad on the entire tree right?
just regular, balanced fertilizer

my email is without the 42. i've been on nhl groups rousing ire and they
can be vengeful so i hide it a little bit.
"Kitsune Miko" wrote in message
o.com...
It should bud back. Just try and stop it. I keep
rubbing elm buds off of my tree trunks. Did you just
transplant as well?

Kitsune Miko

PS your email address doesn't accept my replies.

--- MadSweeney wrote:
is there any way to induce a chinese elm to bud back
on the branches? i
stripped it too clean while trial and erroring. is
there a fertillizer
combo that will help out or cutting techniques? i'm
in l.a., zone 10.
thanks



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MadSweeney 14-03-2004 08:12 AM

[IBC] back budding
 
no, i think i may have missed the window. i'm talking next week to my local
bonsai nursery. but it will back bud like mad on the entire tree right?
just regular, balanced fertilizer

my email is without the 42. i've been on nhl groups rousing ire and they
can be vengeful so i hide it a little bit.
"Kitsune Miko" wrote in message
o.com...
It should bud back. Just try and stop it. I keep
rubbing elm buds off of my tree trunks. Did you just
transplant as well?

Kitsune Miko

PS your email address doesn't accept my replies.

--- MadSweeney wrote:
is there any way to induce a chinese elm to bud back
on the branches? i
stripped it too clean while trial and erroring. is
there a fertillizer
combo that will help out or cutting techniques? i'm
in l.a., zone 10.
thanks



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Kitsune Miko 14-03-2004 03:52 PM

[IBC] back budding
 
Yes, if it is a healthy tree to begin with. If you
cut back when it was dormant. If youcut back after
budding out , you have the tree wasted the resources
it used to bud out.

So I don't know if you are talking about total
defoliation or expect budding out to occur in specific
places or what.

I completed trasplanting and shaping all my elms
already. I am in the California bay area. I have an
elm that has a nice trunk, but bad branches. Next
Janurary/February, I will remove all the dormant
branches. I will ge sprouting from the trunk. I will
save the sprouts I want for new branches and rub off
the rest.

Kitsune Miko
--- MadSweeney wrote:
no, i think i may have missed the window. i'm
talking next week to my local
bonsai nursery. but it will back bud like mad on
the entire tree right?
just regular, balanced fertilizer

my email is without the 42. i've been on nhl groups
rousing ire and they
can be vengeful so i hide it a little bit.
"Kitsune Miko" wrote in message

o.com...
It should bud back. Just try and stop it. I keep
rubbing elm buds off of my tree trunks. Did you

just
transplant as well?

Kitsune Miko

PS your email address doesn't accept my replies.

--- MadSweeney

wrote:
is there any way to induce a chinese elm to bud

back
on the branches? i
stripped it too clean while trial and erroring.

is
there a fertillizer
combo that will help out or cutting techniques?

i'm
in l.a., zone 10.
thanks




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++++Sponsored, in part, by Ken
Rutledge++++



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****
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http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ --
+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail
+++++




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Rutledge++++


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http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ --
+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail

+++++


************************************************** ******************************
++++Sponsored, in part, by Ken
Rutledge++++

************************************************** ******************************
-- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ:

http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ --
+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail
+++++


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Kitsune Miko 14-03-2004 03:52 PM

[IBC] back budding
 
Yes, if it is a healthy tree to begin with. If you
cut back when it was dormant. If youcut back after
budding out , you have the tree wasted the resources
it used to bud out.

So I don't know if you are talking about total
defoliation or expect budding out to occur in specific
places or what.

I completed trasplanting and shaping all my elms
already. I am in the California bay area. I have an
elm that has a nice trunk, but bad branches. Next
Janurary/February, I will remove all the dormant
branches. I will ge sprouting from the trunk. I will
save the sprouts I want for new branches and rub off
the rest.

Kitsune Miko
--- MadSweeney wrote:
no, i think i may have missed the window. i'm
talking next week to my local
bonsai nursery. but it will back bud like mad on
the entire tree right?
just regular, balanced fertilizer

my email is without the 42. i've been on nhl groups
rousing ire and they
can be vengeful so i hide it a little bit.
"Kitsune Miko" wrote in message

o.com...
It should bud back. Just try and stop it. I keep
rubbing elm buds off of my tree trunks. Did you

just
transplant as well?

Kitsune Miko

PS your email address doesn't accept my replies.

--- MadSweeney

wrote:
is there any way to induce a chinese elm to bud

back
on the branches? i
stripped it too clean while trial and erroring.

is
there a fertillizer
combo that will help out or cutting techniques?

i'm
in l.a., zone 10.
thanks




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****
++++Sponsored, in part, by Ken
Rutledge++++



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****
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http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ --
+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail
+++++




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Rutledge++++


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http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ --
+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail

+++++


************************************************** ******************************
++++Sponsored, in part, by Ken
Rutledge++++

************************************************** ******************************
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http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ --
+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail
+++++


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Jim Lewis 14-03-2004 05:08 PM

[IBC] back budding
 
is there any way to induce a chinese elm to bud back on the
branches? i
stripped it too clean while trial and erroring. is there a

fertillizer
combo that will help out or cutting techniques? i'm in l.a.,

zone 10.
thanks



Look at it with your eyes crossed?

Back budding is what they do best.

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Nature
encourages no looseness, pardons no errors. Ralph Waldo Emerson

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Jim Lewis 14-03-2004 05:09 PM

[IBC] back budding
 
is there any way to induce a chinese elm to bud back on the
branches? i
stripped it too clean while trial and erroring. is there a

fertillizer
combo that will help out or cutting techniques? i'm in l.a.,

zone 10.
thanks



Look at it with your eyes crossed?

Back budding is what they do best.

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Nature
encourages no looseness, pardons no errors. Ralph Waldo Emerson

************************************************** ******************************
++++Sponsored, in part, by Ken Rutledge++++
************************************************** ******************************
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http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ --
+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++

Jim Lewis 14-03-2004 05:09 PM

[IBC] back budding
 
is there any way to induce a chinese elm to bud back on the
branches? i
stripped it too clean while trial and erroring. is there a

fertillizer
combo that will help out or cutting techniques? i'm in l.a.,

zone 10.
thanks



Look at it with your eyes crossed?

Back budding is what they do best.

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Nature
encourages no looseness, pardons no errors. Ralph Waldo Emerson

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++++Sponsored, in part, by Ken Rutledge++++
************************************************** ******************************
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http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ --
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MadSweeney 14-03-2004 07:28 PM

[IBC] back budding
 
ooooooooohhhhh, he made a funny! i was really wondering if there was a
technique or fertilizer combo that could encourage it, but thanks, i'll try
the eye thing.
"Jim Lewis" wrote in message
news:009401c409e1$84030ae0$0e112cc7@pavilion...
is there any way to induce a chinese elm to bud back on the

branches? i
stripped it too clean while trial and erroring. is there a

fertillizer
combo that will help out or cutting techniques? i'm in l.a.,

zone 10.
thanks



Look at it with your eyes crossed?

Back budding is what they do best.

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Nature
encourages no looseness, pardons no errors. Ralph Waldo Emerson


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****
++++Sponsored, in part, by Ken Rutledge++++

************************************************** **************************
****
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http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ --
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MadSweeney 14-03-2004 07:32 PM

[IBC] back budding
 
what i have are 2 low branches that curve up, almost like extra trunks. i
was going for an 'umbrella'-like bunch on the ends of each of them. like
serengetti trees, wide but thin. so i stripped it to the ends, but i
realize that i need lower brnches to support it and wanted to do anything i
could to accelerate the back budding.

is it too late to do any wiring? how about cutting back branches that have
minimal growth so far?
"Kitsune Miko" wrote in message
o.com...
Yes, if it is a healthy tree to begin with. If you
cut back when it was dormant. If youcut back after
budding out , you have the tree wasted the resources
it used to bud out.

So I don't know if you are talking about total
defoliation or expect budding out to occur in specific
places or what.

I completed trasplanting and shaping all my elms
already. I am in the California bay area. I have an
elm that has a nice trunk, but bad branches. Next
Janurary/February, I will remove all the dormant
branches. I will ge sprouting from the trunk. I will
save the sprouts I want for new branches and rub off
the rest.

Kitsune Miko
--- MadSweeney wrote:
no, i think i may have missed the window. i'm
talking next week to my local
bonsai nursery. but it will back bud like mad on
the entire tree right?
just regular, balanced fertilizer

my email is without the 42. i've been on nhl groups
rousing ire and they
can be vengeful so i hide it a little bit.
"Kitsune Miko" wrote in message

o.com...
It should bud back. Just try and stop it. I keep
rubbing elm buds off of my tree trunks. Did you

just
transplant as well?

Kitsune Miko

PS your email address doesn't accept my replies.

--- MadSweeney

wrote:
is there any way to induce a chinese elm to bud

back
on the branches? i
stripped it too clean while trial and erroring.

is
there a fertillizer
combo that will help out or cutting techniques?

i'm
in l.a., zone 10.
thanks





************************************************** **************************
****
++++Sponsored, in part, by Ken
Rutledge++++




************************************************** **************************
****
-- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ:
http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ --
+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail
+++++




************************************************** **************************
****
++++Sponsored, in part, by Ken

Rutledge++++



************************************************** **************************
****
-- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ:

http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ --
+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail

+++++



************************************************** **************************
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++++Sponsored, in part, by Ken
Rutledge++++


************************************************** **************************
****
-- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ:

http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ --
+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail
+++++



************************************************** **************************
****
++++Sponsored, in part, by Ken Rutledge++++

************************************************** **************************
****
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MadSweeney 14-03-2004 07:32 PM

[IBC] back budding
 
ooooooooohhhhh, he made a funny! i was really wondering if there was a
technique or fertilizer combo that could encourage it, but thanks, i'll try
the eye thing.
"Jim Lewis" wrote in message
news:009401c409e1$84030ae0$0e112cc7@pavilion...
is there any way to induce a chinese elm to bud back on the

branches? i
stripped it too clean while trial and erroring. is there a

fertillizer
combo that will help out or cutting techniques? i'm in l.a.,

zone 10.
thanks



Look at it with your eyes crossed?

Back budding is what they do best.

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Nature
encourages no looseness, pardons no errors. Ralph Waldo Emerson


************************************************** **************************
****
++++Sponsored, in part, by Ken Rutledge++++

************************************************** **************************
****
-- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ:
http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ --
+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++




MadSweeney 14-03-2004 07:32 PM

[IBC] back budding
 
ooooooooohhhhh, he made a funny! i was really wondering if there was a
technique or fertilizer combo that could encourage it, but thanks, i'll try
the eye thing.
"Jim Lewis" wrote in message
news:009401c409e1$84030ae0$0e112cc7@pavilion...
is there any way to induce a chinese elm to bud back on the

branches? i
stripped it too clean while trial and erroring. is there a

fertillizer
combo that will help out or cutting techniques? i'm in l.a.,

zone 10.
thanks



Look at it with your eyes crossed?

Back budding is what they do best.

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Nature
encourages no looseness, pardons no errors. Ralph Waldo Emerson


************************************************** **************************
****
++++Sponsored, in part, by Ken Rutledge++++

************************************************** **************************
****
-- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ:
http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ --
+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++




MadSweeney 14-03-2004 07:32 PM

[IBC] back budding
 
ooooooooohhhhh, he made a funny! i was really wondering if there was a
technique or fertilizer combo that could encourage it, but thanks, i'll try
the eye thing.
"Jim Lewis" wrote in message
news:009401c409e1$84030ae0$0e112cc7@pavilion...
is there any way to induce a chinese elm to bud back on the

branches? i
stripped it too clean while trial and erroring. is there a

fertillizer
combo that will help out or cutting techniques? i'm in l.a.,

zone 10.
thanks



Look at it with your eyes crossed?

Back budding is what they do best.

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Nature
encourages no looseness, pardons no errors. Ralph Waldo Emerson


************************************************** **************************
****
++++Sponsored, in part, by Ken Rutledge++++

************************************************** **************************
****
-- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ:
http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ --
+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++





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