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[IBC] Annealed Copper Wire
Just ordered some annealed copper wire. Here's a sample of the pricing for
single rolls. They offer quantity and volume discounts. 1/4" DIA. = .250" - ( 6.35MM ) - 6 FEET @ $6.00 3/16" DIA. = .188" - ( 4.76MM ) - 10 FEET @ $6.00 6 GAUGE = .160" - ( 4.11MM ) - 12 FEET @ $6.00 8 GAUGE = .128" - ( 3.20MM ) - 20 FEET @ $6.25 10 GAUGE = .102" - ( 2.60MM ) - 30 FEET @ $6.50 11 GAUGE = .091" - ( 2.30MM ) - 40 FEET @ $6.75 12 GAUGE = .080" - ( 2.00MM ) - 50 FEET @ $6.75 14 GAUGE = .064" - ( 1.60MM ) - 80 FEET @ $7.00 16 GAUGE = .050" - ( 1.27MM ) -125 FEET @ $7.25 18 GAUGE = .040" - ( 1.00MM ) - 200 FEET @ $7.50 20 GAUGE = .032" - ( 0.82MM ) - 325 FEET @ $7.75 22 GAUGE = .025" - ( 0.65MM ) - 525 FEET @ $8.00 24 GAUGE = .020" - ( 0.52MM ) - 800 FEET @ $8.50 26 GAUGE = .016" - ( 0.41MM ) - 1295 FEET @ $10.00 28 GAUGE = .013" - ( 0.32MM ) - 2050 FEET @ $12.50 THEY CARRY SIZES FROM 2 GAUGE ( .250" ) TO 32 GAUGE ( .008" ) PARAMOUNT WIRE CO www.parawire.com First time I ordered from them. I'll let you know how it goes. Alan Zucker zone 6b You're never to old to learn. You can learn from both beginner and expert. __________________________________________________ _______________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Jerry Meislik++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Annealed Copper Wire
Alan: There's annealing and then there's annealing. Unless it comes from a source
annealing for bonsai purposes, you will probably find the wire rather stiff and need to reanneal the larger gauges. Thanks for sharing the resource. Did they indicate the cost of shipping? Alan Walker, Lake Charles, LA, USA http://LCBSBonsai.org http://bonsai-bci.com ================================ Alan Zucker wrote: Just ordered some annealed copper wire. Here's a sample of the pricing for single rolls. They offer quantity and volume discounts. 1/4" DIA. = .250" - ( 6.35MM ) - 6 FEET @ $6.00 3/16" DIA. = .188" - ( 4.76MM ) - 10 FEET @ $6.00 6 GAUGE = .160" - ( 4.11MM ) - 12 FEET @ $6.00 8 GAUGE = .128" - ( 3.20MM ) - 20 FEET @ $6.25 10 GAUGE = .102" - ( 2.60MM ) - 30 FEET @ $6.50 11 GAUGE = .091" - ( 2.30MM ) - 40 FEET @ $6.75 12 GAUGE = .080" - ( 2.00MM ) - 50 FEET @ $6.75 14 GAUGE = .064" - ( 1.60MM ) - 80 FEET @ $7.00 16 GAUGE = .050" - ( 1.27MM ) -125 FEET @ $7.25 18 GAUGE = .040" - ( 1.00MM ) - 200 FEET @ $7.50 20 GAUGE = .032" - ( 0.82MM ) - 325 FEET @ $7.75 22 GAUGE = .025" - ( 0.65MM ) - 525 FEET @ $8.00 24 GAUGE = .020" - ( 0.52MM ) - 800 FEET @ $8.50 26 GAUGE = .016" - ( 0.41MM ) - 1295 FEET @ $10.00 28 GAUGE = .013" - ( 0.32MM ) - 2050 FEET @ $12.50 THEY CARRY SIZES FROM 2 GAUGE ( .250" ) TO 32 GAUGE ( .008" ) PARAMOUNT WIRE CO www.parawire.com First time I ordered from them. I'll let you know how it goes. Alan Zucker zone 6b ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Jerry Meislik++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Annealed Copper Wire
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From: "David J. Bockman" Hi Alan, I've been investigating them too. My concerns were that their annealing process was electrical, not via heat-- although I'm sure the electricity creates resistance=heat-- I'm not certain how that differs metallurgically if at all from traditional fire annealing. David J. Bockman ------------------- Gee whiz, at those prices one could certainly afford to find out (provided that their minimums are not in the hundreds or thousands). Kind regards, Andy Rutledge zone 8, Texas ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Jerry Meislik++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Annealed Copper Wire
I guess it depends on the size and/or weight of the order. My total for 6
rolls is $55. I will let you know stiff the larger gauges are. Alan Zucker zone 6b You're never to old to learn. You can learn from both beginner and expert. Alan: There's annealing and then there's annealing. Unless it comes from a source annealing for bonsai purposes, you will probably find the wire rather stiff and need to reanneal the larger gauges. Thanks for sharing the resource. Did they indicate the cost of shipping? __________________________________________________ _______________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Jerry Meislik++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Annealed Copper Wire
I agree...... Plus you could simply anneal it yourself, although I probably
would like to see it done at least once so I know the appropriate color to look for. Hey you potters out there, you could anneal a boatload of wire lickety-split. :o) David J. Bockman, Fairfax, VA (USDA Hardiness Zone 7) Bunabayashi Bonsai On The World Wide Web: http://www.bunabayashi.com email: -----Original Message----- From: Andy Rutledge ] Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 2:18 PM To: David J. Bockman; Subject: [IBC] Annealed Copper Wire ----- Original Message ----- From: "David J. Bockman" Hi Alan, I've been investigating them too. My concerns were that their annealing process was electrical, not via heat-- although I'm sure the electricity creates resistance=heat-- I'm not certain how that differs metallurgically if at all from traditional fire annealing. David J. Bockman ------------------- Gee whiz, at those prices one could certainly afford to find out (provided that their minimums are not in the hundreds or thousands). Kind regards, Andy Rutledge zone 8, Texas ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Jerry Meislik++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Annealed Copper Wire
Just did a little comparison. Dallas bonsai is
actually cheaper then they are if you buy in bulk "1 kilogram rolls". I emailed parawire.com just now to see if there is any discount when buying larger rolls. Ben __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Jerry Meislik++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Annealed Copper Wire
1/4 inch wire is equivilant to about a number 6 or 8 wire. That has a
current carrying capacity of 40-50 amperes. That is what it will handle depending on if it is solid or stranded. To heat a wire that size enough to anneal it would take one heck of a lot of current and usually wire when overloaded will melt rapidly unless in a very controlled situation where the current can be monitored. Just the ramblings of someone who has a bit of experience with electricity. --I crucified my hate and held the world within my hands-- Neal Ross-Marysville CA ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Jerry Meislik++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Annealed Copper Wire
Those are the prices. No min. I ordered 6 assorted rolls to try.
Alan Zucker zone 6b You're never to old to learn. You can learn from both beginner and expert. From: Andy Rutledge Reply-To: Andy Rutledge To: Subject: [IBC] Annealed Copper Wire Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:18:12 -0600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David J. Bockman" Hi Alan, I've been investigating them too. My concerns were that their annealing process was electrical, not via heat-- although I'm sure the electricity creates resistance=heat-- I'm not certain how that differs metallurgically if at all from traditional fire annealing. David J. Bockman ------------------- Gee whiz, at those prices one could certainly afford to find out (provided that their minimums are not in the hundreds or thousands). Kind regards, Andy Rutledge zone 8, Texas ************************************************* ******************************* ++++Sponsored, in part, by Jerry Meislik++++ ************************************************* ******************************* -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ __________________________________________________ _______________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Jerry Meislik++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Annealed Copper Wire
Alan,
This type of wire has been sold for bonsai use before but it is not truly suitable for bonsai unless it is annealed again. It has certainly been annealed to some degree in the manufacturing process but in winding and unwinding from large spools to smaller lengths, the wire is bent at least twice, probably more and each bending stiffens the wire (work hardens it) reducing the softness that is the whole point of annealed copper for bonsai in the first place. Wire of the sort that you have purchased is the same kind that I buy and anneal again to achieve the proper softness for bonsai use. Annealing is a little bit mysterious but not beyond the capabilities of most. It is a dirty, time consuming, and sometimes dangerous business even is you anneal thousands of pounds of it a year for bonsai use as I do. Julian R. Adams aka the copper wire guy Adams' Bonsai Lynchburg, VA |
[IBC] Annealed Copper Wire
All,
When working with wire gauge numbers please keep in mind that there are approximately 10 different standards in use around the world today. In the US the most common is the American Wire Gauge (AWG) which is also know as Brown & Sharpe. In the Japan it appears to be the Imperial or British Standard (IBS). A general rule of thumb is that for the same diameter wire the IBS is 2 larger than the AWG - an 8 gauge IBS is about the same diameter as a 6 gauge AWG. For reference the diameters listed below are very close to AWG (within round off error). As someone else stated there may by differences between electrically and heat annealed Cu wire. The biggest issue with electrically annealed wire is that it is generally done at a fairly high rate of speed. Annealing is a process that depends upon both temperature and time - getting it hot may "anneal" it from an industrial standpoint, but may not leave it as soft as we desire from a bonsai perspective. Finally, Julian Adams sells high quality, well annealed Cu wire at good prices as well as presenting some good information on bonsai in International Bonsai and US East Coast forums. Regards - Marty -----Original Message----- From: Internet Bonsai Club ] On Behalf Of Alan Zucker Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 11:04 AM To: Subject: [IBC] Annealed Copper Wire Just ordered some annealed copper wire. Here's a sample of the pricing for single rolls. They offer quantity and volume discounts. 1/4" DIA. = .250" - ( 6.35MM ) - 6 FEET @ $6.00 3/16" DIA. = .188" - ( 4.76MM ) - 10 FEET @ $6.00 6 GAUGE = .160" - ( 4.11MM ) - 12 FEET @ $6.00 8 GAUGE = .128" - ( 3.20MM ) - 20 FEET @ $6.25 10 GAUGE = .102" - ( 2.60MM ) - 30 FEET @ $6.50 11 GAUGE = .091" - ( 2.30MM ) - 40 FEET @ $6.75 12 GAUGE = .080" - ( 2.00MM ) - 50 FEET @ $6.75 14 GAUGE = .064" - ( 1.60MM ) - 80 FEET @ $7.00 16 GAUGE = .050" - ( 1.27MM ) -125 FEET @ $7.25 18 GAUGE = .040" - ( 1.00MM ) - 200 FEET @ $7.50 20 GAUGE = .032" - ( 0.82MM ) - 325 FEET @ $7.75 22 GAUGE = .025" - ( 0.65MM ) - 525 FEET @ $8.00 24 GAUGE = .020" - ( 0.52MM ) - 800 FEET @ $8.50 26 GAUGE = .016" - ( 0.41MM ) - 1295 FEET @ $10.00 28 GAUGE = .013" - ( 0.32MM ) - 2050 FEET @ $12.50 THEY CARRY SIZES FROM 2 GAUGE ( .250" ) TO 32 GAUGE ( .008" ) PARAMOUNT WIRE CO www.parawire.com First time I ordered from them. I'll let you know how it goes. Alan Zucker zone 6b You're never to old to learn. You can learn from both beginner and expert. __________________________________________________ _______________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ************************************************** ********************** ******** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Jerry Meislik++++ ************************************************** ********************** ******** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Jerry Meislik++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Annealed Copper Wire
Ok, so if this process is the kind of annealing that I am familiar with,
then the wire is heated up to full red heat and then allowed to cool slowly. Copper doesn't have the same kind of hardening that Steel would, so the process of actually making the wire hard would be from drawing the metal out into smaller diameters by passing them through tapered holes in iron plate, or hammering. Tempering on the other hand, is the process of carefully softening the metal to retain various properties. I. E. in a knife blade you would want the edge to stay hard so it would hold the sharpness, but the spine of the blade you would want to be soft enough to not snap from stresses; the spine would then be heated carefully on a red hot metal block to remove the hardness and brittleness. Metals get their maximum hardness by the size of the crystals of the material. In some cases the metal is melted together with other materials to make an alloy that is harder by causing those crystals to form smaller and thus give greater strength and hardness to it. Carbon + Iron in Steel, Zinc + Copper in Brass, and Tin + Copper in Bronze. We wouldn't be talking about an Alloy like this when we talk about wire for Bonsai would we? If it is straight Copper wire then it should anneal the same way every time. Chili! ================== "Marty & Patty Weiser" wrote in message news:000001c2c9ae$eca983e0$c9e9bb3f@Weiser1... All, When working with wire gauge numbers please keep in mind that there are approximately 10 different standards in use around the world today. In the US the most common is the American Wire Gauge (AWG) which is also know as Brown & Sharpe. In the Japan it appears to be the Imperial or British Standard (IBS). A general rule of thumb is that for the same diameter wire the IBS is 2 larger than the AWG - an 8 gauge IBS is about the same diameter as a 6 gauge AWG. For reference the diameters listed below are very close to AWG (within round off error). As someone else stated there may by differences between electrically and heat annealed Cu wire. The biggest issue with electrically annealed wire is that it is generally done at a fairly high rate of speed. Annealing is a process that depends upon both temperature and time - getting it hot may "anneal" it from an industrial standpoint, but may not leave it as soft as we desire from a bonsai perspective. Finally, Julian Adams sells high quality, well annealed Cu wire at good prices as well as presenting some good information on bonsai in International Bonsai and US East Coast forums. Regards - Marty -----Original Message----- From: Internet Bonsai Club ] On Behalf Of Alan Zucker Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 11:04 AM To: Subject: [IBC] Annealed Copper Wire Just ordered some annealed copper wire. Here's a sample of the pricing for single rolls. They offer quantity and volume discounts. 1/4" DIA. = .250" - ( 6.35MM ) - 6 FEET @ $6.00 3/16" DIA. = .188" - ( 4.76MM ) - 10 FEET @ $6.00 6 GAUGE = .160" - ( 4.11MM ) - 12 FEET @ $6.00 8 GAUGE = .128" - ( 3.20MM ) - 20 FEET @ $6.25 10 GAUGE = .102" - ( 2.60MM ) - 30 FEET @ $6.50 11 GAUGE = .091" - ( 2.30MM ) - 40 FEET @ $6.75 12 GAUGE = .080" - ( 2.00MM ) - 50 FEET @ $6.75 14 GAUGE = .064" - ( 1.60MM ) - 80 FEET @ $7.00 16 GAUGE = .050" - ( 1.27MM ) -125 FEET @ $7.25 18 GAUGE = .040" - ( 1.00MM ) - 200 FEET @ $7.50 20 GAUGE = .032" - ( 0.82MM ) - 325 FEET @ $7.75 22 GAUGE = .025" - ( 0.65MM ) - 525 FEET @ $8.00 24 GAUGE = .020" - ( 0.52MM ) - 800 FEET @ $8.50 26 GAUGE = .016" - ( 0.41MM ) - 1295 FEET @ $10.00 28 GAUGE = .013" - ( 0.32MM ) - 2050 FEET @ $12.50 THEY CARRY SIZES FROM 2 GAUGE ( .250" ) TO 32 GAUGE ( .008" ) PARAMOUNT WIRE CO www.parawire.com First time I ordered from them. I'll let you know how it goes. Alan Zucker zone 6b You're never to old to learn. You can learn from both beginner and expert. __________________________________________________ _______________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ************************************************** ********************** ******** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Jerry Meislik++++ ************************************************** ********************** ******** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Jerry Meislik++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Annealed Copper Wire
----- Original Message -----
From: "David J. Bockman" Subject: [IBC] Annealed Copper Wire I agree...... Plus you could simply anneal it yourself, although I probably would like to see it done at least once so I know the appropriate color to look for. Hey you potters out there, you could anneal a boatload of wire lickety-split. :o) David J. Bockman, Fairfax, VA Dave, You can do it yourself in a gas grill. At night you can see the color clearly. When heated drop in water bucket to clean . The crud pops right off.( doesn't harden, but we've discussed this before) but, This is a good spot to insert a note about the excellent annealed wire and service from Julian Adams at JRABonsai. Why do it yourself or go anywhere else when we have good services and prices right here on the IBC. Dale Cochoy Wild Things Bonsai Studio. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Jerry Meislik++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Annealed Copper Wire
To be honest, I have not done much wiring this summer. Time was at a premium. The thinner gauges are fine. I did not use any of the heavy gauge wire yet.
Alan Zucker ----- Original Message ----- From: David J. Bockman To: Alan Zucker Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 7:43 PM Subject: [IBC] Annealed Copper Wire It's been awhile, I'm curious how your experience was ordering from them. Good? David J. Bockman, Fairfax, VA (USDA Hardiness Zone 7) Bunabayashi Bonsai On The World Wide Web: http://www.bunabayashi.com email: -----Original Message----- From: Internet Bonsai Club ]On Behalf Of Alan Zucker Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 2:04 PM To: Subject: [IBC] Annealed Copper Wire Just ordered some annealed copper wire. Here's a sample of the pricing for single rolls. They offer quantity and volume discounts. 1/4" DIA. = .250" - ( 6.35MM ) - 6 FEET @ $6.00 3/16" DIA. = .188" - ( 4.76MM ) - 10 FEET @ $6.00 6 GAUGE = .160" - ( 4.11MM ) - 12 FEET @ $6.00 8 GAUGE = .128" - ( 3.20MM ) - 20 FEET @ $6.25 10 GAUGE = .102" - ( 2.60MM ) - 30 FEET @ $6.50 11 GAUGE = .091" - ( 2.30MM ) - 40 FEET @ $6.75 12 GAUGE = .080" - ( 2.00MM ) - 50 FEET @ $6.75 14 GAUGE = .064" - ( 1.60MM ) - 80 FEET @ $7.00 16 GAUGE = .050" - ( 1.27MM ) -125 FEET @ $7.25 18 GAUGE = .040" - ( 1.00MM ) - 200 FEET @ $7.50 20 GAUGE = .032" - ( 0.82MM ) - 325 FEET @ $7.75 22 GAUGE = .025" - ( 0.65MM ) - 525 FEET @ $8.00 24 GAUGE = .020" - ( 0.52MM ) - 800 FEET @ $8.50 26 GAUGE = .016" - ( 0.41MM ) - 1295 FEET @ $10.00 28 GAUGE = .013" - ( 0.32MM ) - 2050 FEET @ $12.50 THEY CARRY SIZES FROM 2 GAUGE ( .250" ) TO 32 GAUGE ( .008" ) PARAMOUNT WIRE CO www.parawire.com First time I ordered from them. I'll let you know how it goes. Alan Zucker zone 6b You're never to old to learn. You can learn from both beginner and expert. __________________________________________________ _______________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ************************************************** **************** ************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Jerry Meislik++++ ************************************************** **************** ************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Annealed Copper Wire
Hi All,
I just obtained some 3mm solid copper wire and I am also wondering if it will require further annealing. It is surplus from a big electrical job. Each 3mm strand was part of a twisted cable about an inch thick. I threw some of it onto eBay.. but I'll also give members of this newsgroup discounts on quantity. (What's a fair price for 10 25' pieces?) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=2378968 282 I'm going to try and wrap a ficus today, that is pretty large, so I should soon know how well it works. -- best regards, Ra http://surfpick.com ---------------------------------------------------- Try Lignum Vitae ---------------------------------------------------- |
[IBC] Annealed Copper Wire
Circumstances dictated that I abandon plans to harvest the wire.
Maybe I should cut it into 3 foot lengths and use those triangular long Priority Mail boxes to ship it, instead of bending it further? What is the preferred length for a 3mm wire? I watered the Ficus today, that I am eyeballing for a Bonsai treatment. I bent the branches horizontal in a few places.. and although they are thick.. they are still flexible enough. They are large enough though, that I will surely need at least 2 wraps of even this strong wire. The plants have put out a dozen or so ariel roots each, which have established themselves. I am currently building an area with multiple 'misters', on a 6X a day timer, to encourage more 'air root' development, along with being an area for Orchids, Ferns and seedlings. -- best regards, Ra http://surfpick.com ---------------------------------------------------- Try Lignum Vitae ---------------------------------------------------- |
[IBC] Annealed Copper Wire
Circumstances dictated that I abandon plans to harvest the wire.
Maybe I should cut it into 3 foot lengths and use those triangular long Priority Mail boxes to ship it, instead of bending it further? What is the preferred length for a 3mm wire? I watered the Ficus today, that I am eyeballing for a Bonsai treatment. I bent the branches horizontal in a few places.. and although they are thick.. they are still flexible enough. They are large enough though, that I will surely need at least 2 wraps of even this strong wire. The plants have put out a dozen or so ariel roots each, which have established themselves. I am currently building an area with multiple 'misters', on a 6X a day timer, to encourage more 'air root' development, along with being an area for Orchids, Ferns and seedlings. -- best regards, Ra http://surfpick.com ---------------------------------------------------- Try Lignum Vitae ---------------------------------------------------- |
[IBC] Annealed Copper Wire
Ray: I've had a different experience, at least with the larger gauges.
Yeah, smaller gauges like 14, 16 or 18 hardly need annealing in the first place, but larger gauges (4, 6, 8, 10, 12) are not sufficiently annealed for safely wiring bonsai, even though the box claims they are annealed. Alan Walker http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org -----Original Message----- "Ra" wrote Hi All, I just obtained some 3mm solid copper wire and I am also wondering if it will require further annealing. From: rschmitt23 Probably not. I buy bare copper wire (10, 12, 14, 16, 18 ga) in the electrical department at the hardware store in 100 foot lengths and its soft enough for bonsai wiring. Copper work hardens as you bend and twist it, so unwinding and rewinding can become a chore. Best advice is to plan ahead so you only have to wind once. Later Ray Schmitt, Aliso Viejo, CA ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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"Alan Walker" wrote in message news:000201c3ef7c$9cf5bf40$6101a8c0@Alan... Ray: I've had a different experience, at least with the larger gauges. Yeah, smaller gauges like 14, 16 or 18 hardly need annealing in the first place, but larger gauges (4, 6, 8, 10, 12) are not sufficiently annealed for safely wiring bonsai, even though the box claims they are annealed. Alan Walker http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org snip Alan: I try to avoid wiring with gages larger than 10. I find that I lose the "feel" needed to do a proper wiring job. If the branch is really stiff, I've used several methods: double windings of 10 ga copper wire; branch benders; and rigging. Occasionally I've used a combination of these methods on a branch. Later -- Ray Schmitt, Aliso Viejo, CA Cold Hardiness Zone 10b AHS Heat Zone 4 Sunset Climate Zone 22 |
[IBC] Annealed Copper Wire
"Alan Walker" wrote in message news:000201c3ef7c$9cf5bf40$6101a8c0@Alan... Ray: I've had a different experience, at least with the larger gauges. Yeah, smaller gauges like 14, 16 or 18 hardly need annealing in the first place, but larger gauges (4, 6, 8, 10, 12) are not sufficiently annealed for safely wiring bonsai, even though the box claims they are annealed. Alan Walker http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org snip Alan: I try to avoid wiring with gages larger than 10. I find that I lose the "feel" needed to do a proper wiring job. If the branch is really stiff, I've used several methods: double windings of 10 ga copper wire; branch benders; and rigging. Occasionally I've used a combination of these methods on a branch. Later -- Ray Schmitt, Aliso Viejo, CA Cold Hardiness Zone 10b AHS Heat Zone 4 Sunset Climate Zone 22 |
[IBC] Annealed Copper Wire
"rschmitt23" wrote Alan: I try to avoid wiring with gages larger than 10. I find that I lose the "feel" needed to do a proper wiring job. If the branch is really stiff, I've used several methods: double windings of 10 ga copper wire; branch benders; and rigging. Occasionally I've used a combination of these methods on a branch. I still haven't harvested this wire.. but I'm going to try it on some tough old 2 year Ficus that will be really hard to bend at this point. Today, I trimmed one of them. I decided to go for Broom style although I'm leaving some criss-cross branches in there. Once the thing bushes, the interior will be invisible anyway. The trunk has about a dozen air roots that have successfully reached the ground and are rapidly thickening. This happened while the plants were on the pool deck, where things get dried out more than usual. Once I get my 'misting areas' completed, I hope to encourage a large batch of Ficus Bonsai with 50 roots each. I'm in the Florida Keys. -- best regards, Ra http://surfpick.com ---------------------------------------------------- |
[IBC] Annealed Copper Wire
"rschmitt23" wrote Alan: I try to avoid wiring with gages larger than 10. I find that I lose the "feel" needed to do a proper wiring job. If the branch is really stiff, I've used several methods: double windings of 10 ga copper wire; branch benders; and rigging. Occasionally I've used a combination of these methods on a branch. I still haven't harvested this wire.. but I'm going to try it on some tough old 2 year Ficus that will be really hard to bend at this point. Today, I trimmed one of them. I decided to go for Broom style although I'm leaving some criss-cross branches in there. Once the thing bushes, the interior will be invisible anyway. The trunk has about a dozen air roots that have successfully reached the ground and are rapidly thickening. This happened while the plants were on the pool deck, where things get dried out more than usual. Once I get my 'misting areas' completed, I hope to encourage a large batch of Ficus Bonsai with 50 roots each. I'm in the Florida Keys. -- best regards, Ra http://surfpick.com ---------------------------------------------------- |
[IBC] Annealed Copper Wire
"rschmitt23" wrote Alan: I try to avoid wiring with gages larger than 10. I find that I lose the "feel" needed to do a proper wiring job. If the branch is really stiff, I've used several methods: double windings of 10 ga copper wire; branch benders; and rigging. Occasionally I've used a combination of these methods on a branch. I still haven't harvested this wire.. but I'm going to try it on some tough old 2 year Ficus that will be really hard to bend at this point. Today, I trimmed one of them. I decided to go for Broom style although I'm leaving some criss-cross branches in there. Once the thing bushes, the interior will be invisible anyway. The trunk has about a dozen air roots that have successfully reached the ground and are rapidly thickening. This happened while the plants were on the pool deck, where things get dried out more than usual. Once I get my 'misting areas' completed, I hope to encourage a large batch of Ficus Bonsai with 50 roots each. I'm in the Florida Keys. -- best regards, Ra http://surfpick.com ---------------------------------------------------- |
[IBC] Annealed Copper Wire
"marty haber" wrote
what's a fair price? Before they're annealed, $1 each. After annealing, $3. Marty Thanks for the feedback Marty. I don't think it would be worth the labor alone, to sell it for $1 per. I can envision the annealing price working though, or slightly higher, if it turns out to be a relatively painless process. I could probably go as low as $2 per 25 foot piece, for raw wire, if 10 pieces are bought? -- best regards, Ra http://surfpick.com ---------------------------------------------------- Try Lignum Vitae ---------------------------------------------------- |
[IBC] Annealed Copper Wire
"marty haber" wrote
what's a fair price? Before they're annealed, $1 each. After annealing, $3. Marty Thanks for the feedback Marty. I don't think it would be worth the labor alone, to sell it for $1 per. I can envision the annealing price working though, or slightly higher, if it turns out to be a relatively painless process. I could probably go as low as $2 per 25 foot piece, for raw wire, if 10 pieces are bought? -- best regards, Ra http://surfpick.com ---------------------------------------------------- Try Lignum Vitae ---------------------------------------------------- |
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