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22-07-2004, 06:23 PM
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[IBC] sudden increase of leaf loss of our fukien tree
What did you use to "cure" the mealy bug problem?
Jeff Isom Cleveland, OH / Sunset Zone 39 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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22-07-2004, 07:24 PM
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[IBC] sudden increase of leaf loss of our fukien tree
Fukien tea does tend to drop leaves occasionally. I wouldn't worry about
it, unless two other possibilities occur: 1. It has not been transplated in the past two years. 2. It is kept indoors. Although it is tropical, it should be kept outdoors all summer. Marty ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Soukal" To: Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 12:55 PM Subject: [IBC] sudden increase of leaf loss of our fukien tree Hello, I just wanted to ask somebody with experience in growing Fukien trees for an advice. We noticed sudden increase in the rate with which the tree loses its leaves. We were surprised by that because - to our best knowledge - nothing has changed in the way we care for the tree... We water the plant as required (never letting it to dry out completely nor leaving to stand in water) as we always did. We feed it regularly. We fought and killed (with help of this community) the mealy bugs that attacked it. But recently, the number of leaves on the floor has increased. If I blow a little bit of air from my mouth on the tree, there will be several leaves - seemingly healthy - that fall off. It seems as if the leaves were not hanging tight onto the branch... they will fall off easily on touch. (Not all of them though.) There were always leaves that would fall off but these seemed dead and dry. The new ones and young and green. I also think that all the leaves are little bit lighter that they used to be. Though they are still green not yellowish. But then again, the tree still has many dark, lush leaves. It still grows buds and has fruit as it always did. Overall, it seems to be doing fine. We didn't notice anything odd otherwise. No parasites, no physical damage. We haven't moved or repotted the tree. We did prune it a little bit. The only thing I can think of as a culprit is that the weather hasn't been that good lately. We had a lot of cloudy days with colder temperature (but still about 70). We were just being curious whether this is reaction to the weather change only or a symptom of something else/worse (under/overfeeding, too little/much watering...). Thank you for any comments! David & (Eva) ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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22-07-2004, 07:28 PM
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[IBC] sudden increase of leaf loss of our fukien tree
What did you use to "cure" the mealy bug problem?
Jeff Isom Cleveland, OH / Sunset Zone 39 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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25-07-2004, 03:43 PM
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[IBC] sudden increase of leaf loss of our fukien tree
Hello,
we didn't use any chemicals bought it store. Somebody from this group has recommened us to use a solution consisting of distilled water, a spoon of cooking oil and soap withouth frangance. Finally before spraying, we were recommended to add a spoon of alcohol, which we did. We tried this "potion" on a few leaves first and since it didn't seem to do any harm, after a few day, we covered the soil and spray the whole foliage. We repeated that two times in week intervals. The tree seemed to prosper and we haven't seen any bugs since. Also, please, see me reply to the other answer above. We might have kept the plant overwatered for several hours by wrong choice of the soil  Thanks for any advice. I love the tree, I hope that it will survive... David (Isom, Jeff , EM, PTL) wrote in message news:40F6934F9170964AAAD62F1E48579EB8C754EC@RDGML VEM01.e2k.ad.ge.com... What did you use to "cure" the mealy bug problem? Jeff Isom Cleveland, OH / Sunset Zone 39 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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25-07-2004, 04:03 PM
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[IBC] sudden increase of leaf loss of our fukien tree
Hello,
we didn't use any chemicals bought it store. Somebody from this group has recommened us to use a solution consisting of distilled water, a spoon of cooking oil and soap withouth frangance. Finally before spraying, we were recommended to add a spoon of alcohol, which we did. We tried this "potion" on a few leaves first and since it didn't seem to do any harm, after a few day, we covered the soil and spray the whole foliage. We repeated that two times in week intervals. The tree seemed to prosper and we haven't seen any bugs since. Also, please, see me reply to the other answer above. We might have kept the plant overwatered for several hours by wrong choice of the soil Thanks for any advice. I love the tree, I hope that it will survive... David (Isom, Jeff , EM, PTL) wrote in message news:40F6934F9170964AAAD62F1E48579EB8C754EC@RDGML VEM01.e2k.ad.ge.com... What did you use to "cure" the mealy bug problem? Jeff Isom Cleveland, OH / Sunset Zone 39 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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25-07-2004, 06:52 PM
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[IBC] sudden increase of leaf loss of our fukien tree
David: To which book are you referring? Who is the author?
Alan Walker http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org -----Original Message----- From: David Soukal Hello, we haven't repotted the tree yet. But we do keep it indoors. This is our first bonsai and the book we bought said that it should be kept inside, since it is, supposedly, sensitive to draft. Also, we don't have garden, since we live in an appartment... ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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25-07-2004, 07:12 PM
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[IBC] sudden increase of leaf loss of our fukien tree
In a message dated 7/25/2004 1:28:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
writes: A fluorescent light right overhead for a LONG day is about right, according to the indoor growers on the list But, the light bulb needs to be new and at six inches or less from the plant. Billy on the Florida Space Coast BSF Annual Convention July 1 - 4, 2005 Radisson Hotel, Cape Canaveral, Florida Workshops with Jerry Meislik of Whitefish, Montana, Chase Rosade of New Hope, PA, and Ben Oki of California. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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25-07-2004, 08:04 PM
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[IBC] sudden increase of leaf loss of our fukien tree
David: To which book are you referring? Who is the author?
Alan Walker http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org -----Original Message----- From: David Soukal Hello, we haven't repotted the tree yet. But we do keep it indoors. This is our first bonsai and the book we bought said that it should be kept inside, since it is, supposedly, sensitive to draft. Also, we don't have garden, since we live in an appartment... ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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25-07-2004, 08:04 PM
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[IBC] sudden increase of leaf loss of our fukien tree
In a message dated 7/25/2004 1:28:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
writes: A fluorescent light right overhead for a LONG day is about right, according to the indoor growers on the list But, the light bulb needs to be new and at six inches or less from the plant. Billy on the Florida Space Coast BSF Annual Convention July 1 - 4, 2005 Radisson Hotel, Cape Canaveral, Florida Workshops with Jerry Meislik of Whitefish, Montana, Chase Rosade of New Hope, PA, and Ben Oki of California. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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25-07-2004, 08:43 PM
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[IBC] sudden increase of leaf loss of our fukien tree
David:
When I have my Fukien Tea indoors, I place them on a propagation mat which gives the roots a little heat... It is very important to have a fan blowing on your tree, which will keep the pest popuilation down. I have my fluorecents on for 18 hours. Also, try to prune the leaves, when you see them over lapping each other. That will keep the fungus from developing. I would certainly use a wooden skewer in the soil to know when to water. Email me, and I will send you the details on the Persiano Pick. Best of luck, Carl L. Rosner - near Atlantic City zone 6/7 http://rosner.becanz.net http://www.jamesbaird.com/cgi-bin/Ja...d=00000068 48 David Soukal wrote: Hello, we haven't repotted the tree yet. But we do keep it indoors. This is our first bonsai and the book we bought said that it should be kept inside, since it is, supposedly, sensitive to draft. Also, we don't have garden, since we live in an appartment... We could buy some extra light and / or open the windows more. Another thing I forgot to mention is that we removed about a half inch of the soil from the top and replaced it with another one. The reason why we did that was that the soil was full of rotting leaves and flowers... Only later, we found out that the soil we purchased doesn't probably have the right composition. It was about 70% of fired clay and only about 25% of pine soil. I noticed that this layer probably prevents the rest of the soil from breathing so it's possible the we kept that plant overwatered for a several hours.. Could that be the reason? For now, the plant seems to be doing OK. Its berries are even bigger and tend to ripe to light red color. The berries we used to see drier very fast... I noticed several black spots on a few bigger leaves. It can only be seen from under, so I hope it's not the spiders or other parasites Thanks for your help! David ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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25-07-2004, 10:03 PM
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[IBC] sudden increase of leaf loss of our fukien tree
David:
When I have my Fukien Tea indoors, I place them on a propagation mat which gives the roots a little heat... It is very important to have a fan blowing on your tree, which will keep the pest popuilation down. I have my fluorecents on for 18 hours. Also, try to prune the leaves, when you see them over lapping each other. That will keep the fungus from developing. I would certainly use a wooden skewer in the soil to know when to water. Email me, and I will send you the details on the Persiano Pick. Best of luck, Carl L. Rosner - near Atlantic City zone 6/7 http://rosner.becanz.net http://www.jamesbaird.com/cgi-bin/Ja...d=00000068 48 David Soukal wrote: Hello, we haven't repotted the tree yet. But we do keep it indoors. This is our first bonsai and the book we bought said that it should be kept inside, since it is, supposedly, sensitive to draft. Also, we don't have garden, since we live in an appartment... We could buy some extra light and / or open the windows more. Another thing I forgot to mention is that we removed about a half inch of the soil from the top and replaced it with another one. The reason why we did that was that the soil was full of rotting leaves and flowers... Only later, we found out that the soil we purchased doesn't probably have the right composition. It was about 70% of fired clay and only about 25% of pine soil. I noticed that this layer probably prevents the rest of the soil from breathing so it's possible the we kept that plant overwatered for a several hours.. Could that be the reason? For now, the plant seems to be doing OK. Its berries are even bigger and tend to ripe to light red color. The berries we used to see drier very fast... I noticed several black spots on a few bigger leaves. It can only be seen from under, so I hope it's not the spiders or other parasites Thanks for your help! David ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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26-07-2004, 01:00 AM
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[IBC] sudden increase of leaf loss of our fukien tree
Hello,
we were consulting several sources on the internet. Also the book Simon & Schuster's Guide to Bonsain, recommends the tree for indoors. They don't explicitely mention the draft, only temperature changes. Do you think, we should keep the tree outside? David (Alan Walker) wrote in message news:000c01c47270$2894a3b0$6101a8c0@Alan... David: To which book are you referring? Who is the author? Alan Walker http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org |
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#14
26-07-2004, 01:02 AM
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[IBC] sudden increase of leaf loss of our fukien tree
Hello,
we were consulting several sources on the internet. Also the book Simon & Schuster's Guide to Bonsain, recommends the tree for indoors. They don't explicitely mention the draft, only temperature changes. Do you think, we should keep the tree outside? David (Alan Walker) wrote in message news:000c01c47270$2894a3b0$6101a8c0@Alan... David: To which book are you referring? Who is the author? Alan Walker http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org |
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#15
26-07-2004, 01:17 AM
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[IBC] sudden increase of leaf loss of our fukien tree
Thank you! We'll do that. Could you, please, recommend some of the
fixtures you use or know of? The best place we can shop here (except for the Internet, of course) is local Wal-Mart  David (Billy M. Rhodes) wrote in message ... In a message dated 7/25/2004 1:28:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, writes: A fluorescent light right overhead for a LONG day is about right, according to the indoor growers on the list But, the light bulb needs to be new and at six inches or less from the plant. Billy on the Florida Space Coast BSF Annual Convention July 1 - 4, 2005 Radisson Hotel, Cape Canaveral, Florida Workshops with Jerry Meislik of Whitefish, Montana, Chase Rosade of New Hope, PA, and Ben Oki of California. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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