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Andrew G 19-08-2004 12:17 PM

Keeping leaves small on olive
 
Hi everyone.
A couple of months ago, start of winter here, I bought a "bonsai starter"
Olive tree.
It's only about 2-3 inches tall, basically these are about 1-2yr old woody
seedlings, that have yet to be grown up, but have been trained to get
thicker trunks, esp bases.
Anyway Now it's almost the end of winter, and I have noticed that the leaves
are starting to get larger, some of them have doubled in size.
So my question/s is:
1) Would this plant have been defoliated (recommended early summer here) and
the leaves I saw when I bought it the new growth since?
2) Was there another method they used to keep the leaves small? No one
around here seems to know much about olives here
It's not too much of a concern right now as the tree will be trained for a
few years yet, but just being curious.

Cheers everyone
Andrew.

Forster
Mid North Coast
New South Wales,
Australia



Carl Rosner 19-08-2004 01:40 PM

Andrew G wrote:Hi everyone.
A couple of months ago, start of winter here, I bought a "bonsai starter"
Olive tree.
It's only about 2-3 inches tall, basically these are about 1-2yr old woody
seedlings, that have yet to be grown up, but have been trained to get
thicker trunks, esp bases.

Andrew, you didn't mention what type of Olive you purchased.

Anyway Now it's almost the end of winter, and I have noticed that the leaves
are starting to get larger, some of them have doubled in size.
So my question/s is:
1) Would this plant have been defoliated (recommended early summer here) and
the leaves I saw when I bought it the new growth since?

Defoliation is not usually performed on such a small seedling.

2) Was there another method they used to keep the leaves small? No one
around here seems to know much about olives here
It's not too much of a concern right now as the tree will be trained for a
few years yet, but just being curious.

My guess is that you are not giving the tree enough light. You didn't say where you are keeping the Olive. The tree (in my opinion) is growing larger leaves to compensate for the lack of light.... :0)

Carl L. Rosner


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Iris Cohen 19-08-2004 03:43 PM

A couple of months ago, start of winter here, I bought a "bonsai starter"
Olive tree. It's only about 2-3 inches tall,
Now it's almost the end of winter, and I have noticed that the leaves are
starting to get larger, some of them have doubled in size.

It is axiomatic in bonsai that the LAST thing you worry about, when the trunk
and branches are completed & it is ready for show, is the leaf size. I assume
you mean Olea europaea, but it is true for any species.
Right now it is a baby, and should be allowed to grow freely. The leaves may be
larger simply because of its growth stage, or because it is in less light than
it was at the nursery.
In general, the contributing factors to small leaf size a
Avoid excessive fertilizer. (After the tree is full grown.)
As much light as possible. For an olive, full sun.
Brisk air movement.
Repeated pinching of growing tips.
Don't ignore the factor of starting with a small leaved variety. In this
country we have an excellent dwarf cultivar 'Montra,' usually sold as "Little
Ollie." It is widely used in California as a backyard tree, and has become the
standard for olive bonsai where you can't get collected ones.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

Iris Cohen 19-08-2004 03:43 PM

A couple of months ago, start of winter here, I bought a "bonsai starter"
Olive tree. It's only about 2-3 inches tall,
Now it's almost the end of winter, and I have noticed that the leaves are
starting to get larger, some of them have doubled in size.

It is axiomatic in bonsai that the LAST thing you worry about, when the trunk
and branches are completed & it is ready for show, is the leaf size. I assume
you mean Olea europaea, but it is true for any species.
Right now it is a baby, and should be allowed to grow freely. The leaves may be
larger simply because of its growth stage, or because it is in less light than
it was at the nursery.
In general, the contributing factors to small leaf size a
Avoid excessive fertilizer. (After the tree is full grown.)
As much light as possible. For an olive, full sun.
Brisk air movement.
Repeated pinching of growing tips.
Don't ignore the factor of starting with a small leaved variety. In this
country we have an excellent dwarf cultivar 'Montra,' usually sold as "Little
Ollie." It is widely used in California as a backyard tree, and has become the
standard for olive bonsai where you can't get collected ones.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)


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