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[IBC] Yaupon Holly Problems
Maybe someone out there can help me with a curious problem I am having
with my Yaupon Holly. About a week ago all the leaves started turning dark greenish brown. I checked all possible infestation and moisture problems but everything seemed to be normal. As of today the leaves have all become brittle and are falling off at the slightest touch. I trimmed a small branch to make sure the wood is healthy and the underlying tissue is a healthy green. The tree is rather large and established about 18" tall with 2" thick trunk. Anyone have any ideas?? ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Daren, I've had the same problem. It also occurs in the landscaping
plantings around here. In landscape work, they just remove it and re-plant since it only seems to happen 2-3% of the time and doesn't seem to spread. This is NOT an acceptable answer when you're put all the work into bonsai. I've lost two, one collected and one Schillings (and maybe one that I've put down as caused by collection stress). I've asked around and no one seems to have any idea as to why this happens (or even cares, "just re-plant"). I've previously posted here that this plant has good possibilities for bonsai but does have this quirk. I've tried to prune hard below the dieback but I've not been successful to date. My best guess (and it's just that, a guess. No one will check; "just re-plant") is a root related fungus. I'm trying liquid copper as a treatment, but haven't been doing it long enough to have any confidence in the results. Your e-mail doesn't indicate a location, but I assume S.E. U.S. You may have enough time to try a total re-pot with a root treatment. Since you are the first one I've run across who is concerned about this problem, keep me informed about your progress. Maybe we can lick this. Jay Beckenbach - Melrose, FL - Zone 8b/9a - -----Original Message----- From: Daren Byrd ] Maybe someone out there can help me with a curious problem I am having with my Yaupon Holly. About a week ago all the leaves started turning dark greenish brown. I checked all possible infestation and moisture problems but everything seemed to be normal. As of today the leaves have all become brittle and are falling off at the slightest touch. I trimmed a small branch to make sure the wood is healthy and the underlying tissue is a healthy green. The tree is rather large and established about 18" tall with 2" thick trunk. Anyone have any ideas?? ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
My best guess (and it's just that, a guess. No one will check; "just
re-plant") is a root related fungus. I'm trying liquid copper as a treatment, but haven't been doing it long enough to have any confidence in the results. Your e-mail doesn't indicate a location, but I assume S.E. U.S. You may have enough time to try a total re-pot with a root treatment. Since you are the first one I've run across who is concerned about this problem, keep me informed about your progress. Maybe we can lick this. Yes. Root rot. Don't bother trying to treat root rot. There isn't one. Your soil probably is too heavy and contains too many organics. In "nature" Yaupon holly grows in almost sterile, fine sandy soil. It often grows where the soil floods periodically, but it then drains quickly and becomes dry again in a day or two. It's hard to keep the right balance in a bonsai pot. I've lost some nice ones. I'm growing mine in 100% Turface (Mule Mix) now, and that seems to be doing OK, though one I'm growing as a saikei in a very flat, shallow pot still seems to stay too wet. The tree is doing OK, though. So, very fast-draining soil and don't overwater. See if that works. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Only where people have learned to appreciate and cherish the landscape and its living cover will they treat it with the care and respect it should have - Paul Bigelow Sears. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
My best guess (and it's just that, a guess. No one will check; "just
re-plant") is a root related fungus. I'm trying liquid copper as a treatment, but haven't been doing it long enough to have any confidence in the results. Your e-mail doesn't indicate a location, but I assume S.E. U.S. You may have enough time to try a total re-pot with a root treatment. Since you are the first one I've run across who is concerned about this problem, keep me informed about your progress. Maybe we can lick this. Yes. Root rot. Don't bother trying to treat root rot. There isn't one. Your soil probably is too heavy and contains too many organics. In "nature" Yaupon holly grows in almost sterile, fine sandy soil. It often grows where the soil floods periodically, but it then drains quickly and becomes dry again in a day or two. It's hard to keep the right balance in a bonsai pot. I've lost some nice ones. I'm growing mine in 100% Turface (Mule Mix) now, and that seems to be doing OK, though one I'm growing as a saikei in a very flat, shallow pot still seems to stay too wet. The tree is doing OK, though. So, very fast-draining soil and don't overwater. See if that works. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Only where people have learned to appreciate and cherish the landscape and its living cover will they treat it with the care and respect it should have - Paul Bigelow Sears. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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This morning I noticed leaves budding on several of the branch tips..... Any Ideas as to what this condition could have been? ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
GOOD NEWS!! -
This morning I noticed leaves budding on several of the branch tips..... Any Ideas as to what this condition could have been? ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Daren: Are you in autumn or spring where you live?
Alan Walker http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org -----Original Message----- From: Daren Byrd GOOD NEWS!! - This morning I noticed leaves budding on several of the branch tips..... Any Ideas as to what this condition could have been? ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
In a message dated 10/29/2004 9:51:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
writes: GOOD NEWS!! - This morning I noticed leaves budding on several of the branch tips..... Any Ideas as to what this condition could have been? My Ilex vomitoria "Schillings" will get a leaf miner that will defoliate the plant. So far it has always come back. Billy on the Florida Space Coast ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
In a message dated 10/29/2004 9:51:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
writes: GOOD NEWS!! - This morning I noticed leaves budding on several of the branch tips..... Any Ideas as to what this condition could have been? My Ilex vomitoria "Schillings" will get a leaf miner that will defoliate the plant. So far it has always come back. Billy on the Florida Space Coast ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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