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On 18 Sep 2004 at 13:30, Irenie wrote:
Hello all, wondering if what is happening with my 8 year old serissa is normal or whether i should be worried. Over the last week or so it has been steadily loosing leaves. The loss of leaves has moved in quite a systematic way, beginning from one side of the tree and moving to the other until now there is only a small cluster left at one end of the branches. The leaves show no sign of ill health or dryness before they fall off and the ones left look perfectly healthy although i expect they will also fall off in the next few days. Could anyone tell me if this is normal behaviour for this time of year for a serissa. I've thought that it could be normal as some trees do loose their leaves in autumn but it seems strange that the leaves dont dry out before they fall off as with other trees. The weather was warm and sunny here in london up until about a week ago when it has gone alot colder and cloudy. Could this have had an effect? I keep it inside where its light but not in direct sunlight. Due to having moved house recently and other things I have been less regimented about watering times (soaking up to base of trunk in bowl of water at room temperature roughly every few days as needed) but it has been kept constantly moist. I have been fertilising every two weeks as its been summer. Please help someone. Irenie The tree is 8 years old. How long have YOU had it? Serissa do lose their leaves at will, but normally the leaves turn yellow first. If I had to guess, you have been keeping the tree TOO "moist." The fact that the defoliation started on one side them moved across may indicate a root problem. Anyway, keep a broken-off stub of a chopstick in your soil. Withdraw it every day and touch the dirty end. If it feels damp, do NOT water. It is best to water trees from the TOP -- like rain -- despite what most instructions that come with the trees say. I don't know what to tell you about THIS tree. If it IS a root problem, you should repot -- removing all the black, soft, smelly roots. If not, this is a poor time of year for a beginner to repot anything, much less a Serissa. Still, you should lift the tree from its pot and look carefully at the roots. If they are yellow/which/light brown, put the tree back in the pot, and water as above. If they're black and fall apart at a touch, remove all soil and all rotten roots, and repot in a fast-draining bonsai soil. ALL the leaves will fall at this point. Water well, then DO NOT WATER AGAIN until the soil is dry-ish (as above). Give it good light. A south windowsill is best for indoor trees if you don't have grow-lights. Don't fertilize for at least a month. Good luck. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it with love and respect - Aldo Leopold - A Sand County Almanac ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] serissa loosing its leaves :0(
On 18 Sep 2004 at 13:30, Irenie wrote:
Hello all, wondering if what is happening with my 8 year old serissa is normal or whether i should be worried. Over the last week or so it has been steadily loosing leaves. The loss of leaves has moved in quite a systematic way, beginning from one side of the tree and moving to the other until now there is only a small cluster left at one end of the branches. The leaves show no sign of ill health or dryness before they fall off and the ones left look perfectly healthy although i expect they will also fall off in the next few days. Could anyone tell me if this is normal behaviour for this time of year for a serissa. I've thought that it could be normal as some trees do loose their leaves in autumn but it seems strange that the leaves dont dry out before they fall off as with other trees. The weather was warm and sunny here in london up until about a week ago when it has gone alot colder and cloudy. Could this have had an effect? I keep it inside where its light but not in direct sunlight. Due to having moved house recently and other things I have been less regimented about watering times (soaking up to base of trunk in bowl of water at room temperature roughly every few days as needed) but it has been kept constantly moist. I have been fertilising every two weeks as its been summer. Please help someone. Irenie The tree is 8 years old. How long have YOU had it? Serissa do lose their leaves at will, but normally the leaves turn yellow first. If I had to guess, you have been keeping the tree TOO "moist." The fact that the defoliation started on one side them moved across may indicate a root problem. Anyway, keep a broken-off stub of a chopstick in your soil. Withdraw it every day and touch the dirty end. If it feels damp, do NOT water. It is best to water trees from the TOP -- like rain -- despite what most instructions that come with the trees say. I don't know what to tell you about THIS tree. If it IS a root problem, you should repot -- removing all the black, soft, smelly roots. If not, this is a poor time of year for a beginner to repot anything, much less a Serissa. Still, you should lift the tree from its pot and look carefully at the roots. If they are yellow/which/light brown, put the tree back in the pot, and water as above. If they're black and fall apart at a touch, remove all soil and all rotten roots, and repot in a fast-draining bonsai soil. ALL the leaves will fall at this point. Water well, then DO NOT WATER AGAIN until the soil is dry-ish (as above). Give it good light. A south windowsill is best for indoor trees if you don't have grow-lights. Don't fertilize for at least a month. Good luck. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it with love and respect - Aldo Leopold - A Sand County Almanac ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Irenie
As far I know Serrisa thrives in tropical climate. It loves plenty of humidity and warmth. As you say "The weather was warm and sunny here in london up until about a week ago when it has gone a lot colder and cloudy. Could this have had an effect?" I think it is very much so! Whenever there is sudden drop in temperature and light, it gets a shock and leave fall without getting dry. Do not water it heavily, otherwise there will be more problems. Do not fertilize till early summer. Fertilizing a dormant plant causes reverse osmosis, i.e the water starts going to the roots. That can also be one of the causes of leaf fall. Anil Kaushik Bonsai Club (India) Hello all, wondering if what is happening with my 8 year old serissa is normal or whether i should be worried. Over the last week or so it has been steadily loosing leaves. The loss of leaves has moved in quite a systematic way, beginning from one side of the tree and moving to the other until now there is only a small cluster left at one end of the branches. The leaves show no sign of ill health or dryness before they fall off and the ones left look perfectly healthy although i expect they will also fall off in the next few days. Could anyone tell me if this is normal behaviour for this time of year for a serissa. I've thought that it could be normal as some trees do loose their leaves in autumn but it seems strange that the leaves dont dry out before they fall off as with other trees. The weather was warm and sunny here in london up until about a week ago when it has gone alot colder and cloudy. Could this have had an effect? I keep it inside where its light but not in direct sunlight. Due to having moved house recently and other things I have been less regimented about watering times (soaking up to base of trunk in bowl of water at room temperature roughly every few days as needed) but it has been kept constantly moist. I have been fertilising every two weeks as its been summer. Please help someone. Irenie -- Irenie ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Irenie
As far I know Serrisa thrives in tropical climate. It loves plenty of humidity and warmth. As you say "The weather was warm and sunny here in london up until about a week ago when it has gone a lot colder and cloudy. Could this have had an effect?" I think it is very much so! Whenever there is sudden drop in temperature and light, it gets a shock and leave fall without getting dry. Do not water it heavily, otherwise there will be more problems. Do not fertilize till early summer. Fertilizing a dormant plant causes reverse osmosis, i.e the water starts going to the roots. That can also be one of the causes of leaf fall. Anil Kaushik Bonsai Club (India) Hello all, wondering if what is happening with my 8 year old serissa is normal or whether i should be worried. Over the last week or so it has been steadily loosing leaves. The loss of leaves has moved in quite a systematic way, beginning from one side of the tree and moving to the other until now there is only a small cluster left at one end of the branches. The leaves show no sign of ill health or dryness before they fall off and the ones left look perfectly healthy although i expect they will also fall off in the next few days. Could anyone tell me if this is normal behaviour for this time of year for a serissa. I've thought that it could be normal as some trees do loose their leaves in autumn but it seems strange that the leaves dont dry out before they fall off as with other trees. The weather was warm and sunny here in london up until about a week ago when it has gone alot colder and cloudy. Could this have had an effect? I keep it inside where its light but not in direct sunlight. Due to having moved house recently and other things I have been less regimented about watering times (soaking up to base of trunk in bowl of water at room temperature roughly every few days as needed) but it has been kept constantly moist. I have been fertilising every two weeks as its been summer. Please help someone. Irenie -- Irenie ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Irenie
As far I know Serrisa thrives in tropical climate. It loves plenty of humidity and warmth. As you say "The weather was warm and sunny here in london up until about a week ago when it has gone a lot colder and cloudy. Could this have had an effect?" I think it is very much so! Whenever there is sudden drop in temperature and light, it gets a shock and leave fall without getting dry. Do not water it heavily, otherwise there will be more problems. Do not fertilize till early summer. Fertilizing a dormant plant causes reverse osmosis, i.e the water starts going to the roots. That can also be one of the causes of leaf fall. Anil Kaushik Bonsai Club (India) Hello all, wondering if what is happening with my 8 year old serissa is normal or whether i should be worried. Over the last week or so it has been steadily loosing leaves. The loss of leaves has moved in quite a systematic way, beginning from one side of the tree and moving to the other until now there is only a small cluster left at one end of the branches. The leaves show no sign of ill health or dryness before they fall off and the ones left look perfectly healthy although i expect they will also fall off in the next few days. Could anyone tell me if this is normal behaviour for this time of year for a serissa. I've thought that it could be normal as some trees do loose their leaves in autumn but it seems strange that the leaves dont dry out before they fall off as with other trees. The weather was warm and sunny here in london up until about a week ago when it has gone alot colder and cloudy. Could this have had an effect? I keep it inside where its light but not in direct sunlight. Due to having moved house recently and other things I have been less regimented about watering times (soaking up to base of trunk in bowl of water at room temperature roughly every few days as needed) but it has been kept constantly moist. I have been fertilising every two weeks as its been summer. Please help someone. Irenie -- Irenie ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
In a message dated 9/18/2004 8:34:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
writes: Fertilizing a dormant plant causes reverse osmosis, i.e the water starts going to the roots. hi y'all. i've never heard this expressed. would someone please elaborate?? thanks harry Harry Abel/Shinkigen... garden design/build/management 770-434-9955 h 678-462-7080 cell www. shinkigen.com psalm 150 rock and roll ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
In a message dated 9/18/2004 8:34:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
writes: Fertilizing a dormant plant causes reverse osmosis, i.e the water starts going to the roots. hi y'all. i've never heard this expressed. would someone please elaborate?? thanks harry Harry Abel/Shinkigen... garden design/build/management 770-434-9955 h 678-462-7080 cell www. shinkigen.com psalm 150 rock and roll ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
On 18 Sep 2004 at 20:40, Harry L Abel wrote:
In a message dated 9/18/2004 8:34:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, writes: Fertilizing a dormant plant causes reverse osmosis, i.e the water starts going to the roots. hi y'all. i've never heard this expressed. would someone please elaborate?? thanks I'm not 100% sure of the idea. As often as we water our trees, excess fertilizer (which is what you may have if you fertilize in winter when most trees don't grow that much) will simply leach out of the pot. I suppose it would be possible if you really overdosed a tree with fertilizer while it is dormant. But we're talking about tree kept indoors here. Presumably, given the right conditions, it might continue to grow -- if very slowly -- over the winter months. Still, for this tree -- which I think already has root problems - - I think NOT fertilizing is a good idea. Jim Lewis - - This economy is a wholly owned subsidiary of the environment. - Gaylord Nelson ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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