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Druid

22-09-2004 06:31 PM

bathroom bonsai

Jim Lewis

22-09-2004 08:16 PM

On 22 Sep 2004 at 10:31, Druid wrote:

I was wondering if someone can recommend an indoor bonsai tree that
could be placed in a bathroom - I shower everyday, so there's steam
every morning, and there is a small meshed window, that faces south.
So there's not much sunlight, and I might have to put in some
artificial lighting. Ideally, it should have some red leaves/fruit -
to complement the rest of my bathroom. Any suggestions would be
welcome.

Plastic? Silk would mildew.

:-(

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Bonsaiests
are like genealogists: We know our roots!

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Jim Lewis

22-09-2004 08:16 PM

Marty Haber

22-09-2004 09:31 PM

Bathroom bonsai! So that's what we've been relegated to. O.K. It's your
bonsai and your bathroom, but please - don't take it into the shower with
you - the water may be too hot!
Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Druid"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 1:31 PM
Subject: [IBC] bathroom bonsai

I was wondering if someone can recommend an indoor bonsai tree that
could be placed in a bathroom - I shower everyday, so there's steam
every morning, and there is a small meshed window, that faces south.
So there's not much sunlight, and I might have to put in some
artificial lighting. Ideally, it should have some red leaves/fruit -
to complement the rest of my bathroom. Any suggestions would be
welcome.

Thanks!

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Marty Haber

22-09-2004 09:31 PM

Mark Hill

22-09-2004 09:31 PM

Druid

23-09-2004 08:55 PM

Druid

23-09-2004 08:55 PM

Kitsune Miko

23-09-2004 10:06 PM

Kitsune Miko

23-09-2004 10:06 PM

Robert Armas

23-09-2004 10:36 PM

I don't say neither advocate the use of bonsai as decoration per se, but a
nice alcove with an styled japanese corner with scroll and all can benefit
from the accent that a bonsai can create for special ocassions only.

Robert Armas

---- Original Message -----
From: "Kitsune Miko"
To:
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 5:06 PM
Subject: [IBC] bathroom bonsai

Bonsai are outdoor trees for the most part. To
consider one merely a decorating accent shows a
certain lack of appreciation for the art form. The
growing conditions you described are not condusive to
growing a tree. This is why there are no suggestions
other than a plastic plant.

Kitsune Miko

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Robert Armas

23-09-2004 10:36 PM

Kitsune Miko

23-09-2004 10:48 PM

Robert,

What you say is true, but this is not the application
the requestor had in mind. He wants a permanet tree
in his bathroom. He doesn't seem to care that the
environment is not suitable to growing bonsai.

Kitsune Miko
--- Robert Armas wrote:

I don't say neither advocate the use of bonsai as
decoration per se, but a
nice alcove with an styled japanese corner with
scroll and all can benefit
from the accent that a bonsai can create for
special ocassions only.

Robert Armas

---- Original Message -----
From: "Kitsune Miko"
To:
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 5:06 PM
Subject: [IBC] bathroom bonsai

Bonsai are outdoor trees for the most part. To
consider one merely a decorating accent shows a
certain lack of appreciation for the art form.
The
growing conditions you described are not condusive
to
growing a tree. This is why there are no
suggestions
other than a plastic plant.

Kitsune Miko

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Iris Cohen

24-09-2004 03:48 AM

I was wondering if someone can recommend an indoor bonsai tree that could
be placed in a bathroom - I shower everyday, so there's steam every morning,
and there is a small meshed window, that faces south.
So there's not much sunlight, and I might have to put in some artificial
lighting. Ideally, it should have some red leaves/fruit -

So the poor guy asks a perfectly serious question, and everyone makes fun of
him.
There are tropical bonsai you can use. However, I suggest you get several trees
and rotate them between the bathroom and a growing area, so they will be kept
healthy. A flowering and fruiting bonsai will need more light, as you have
surmised. They will need to be kept outdoors all summer, but you can rotate
them in your bathroom, say a week at a time.
First thing you need to do is get one or more books. Start with something like
the Sunset Bonsai book. If there is a bonsai club anywhere near you, join it.
Suggested species:
Pomegranate (persimmon-red flowers & fruit).
Serissa (white flowers)
Ficus (probably no fruit, but the easiest)

However, if you just want a finished bonsai and you are not interested in
growing or caring for it, you can rent them.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

Iris Cohen

24-09-2004 03:48 AM

Kitsune Miko

24-09-2004 09:59 AM

--- Iris Cohen wrote:

I was wondering if someone can recommend an
indoor bonsai tree that could
be placed in a bathroom -

So the poor guy asks a perfectly serious question,
and everyone makes fun of
him.

OK so there are folks who can grow bonsai in their
bathrooms. So perhaps I was a bit harsh, I am, after
all, a trickster, and, as such, tricking folks into
seeing more than the normally see is my job.

In Japan, Kitsune are both real and mythological
foxes. In the mythological sense they supposedly
shapeshift between fox and human to do their trickery.
No, it is not my real name, it is a pen name.

I was having a bad day and this guy hit a button. I
came home, beheaded a zelkova and now feel much
better.

My bathroom is not heated in winter so it does get hot
and cold. Not enough to go down to freezing. There
is also soap scum on the window in the shower. So not
all bathrooms are equal.

His request may have been sincere, but I don't feel he
realized the magnitude of his request.

Kitsune Miko

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Kitsune Miko

24-09-2004 09:59 AM

Luke Tulkas

24-09-2004 12:45 PM

"Kitsune Miko" wrote in message
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Robert,

What you say is true, but this is not the application
the requestor had in mind. He wants a permanet tree
in his bathroom. He doesn't seem to care that the
environment is not suitable to growing bonsai.

Artificial lighting, if the spectrum is suitable and installation properly
done, can totally replace sunlight, and permanent humidity (steam) is heaven
for most tropicals. I guess some ficus would thrive in such a bathroom. I
don't know about red leaves/fruit, though.

Luke Tulkas

24-09-2004 12:45 PM

Jim Lewis

24-09-2004 12:46 PM

On 24 Sep 2004 at 2:48, Iris Cohen wrote:

I was wondering if someone can recommend an indoor bonsai tree that could
be placed in a bathroom - I shower everyday, so there's steam every morning,
and there is a small meshed window, that faces south.
So there's not much sunlight, and I might have to put in some artificial
lighting. Ideally, it should have some red leaves/fruit -

So the poor guy asks a perfectly serious question, and everyone makes fun of
him.

Um . . . well, a bathroom isn't somewhere you go to for leisure
activities -- and mine, at least, have NO windows.

To each his or her own, I suppose.

And I still say that best, most trouble-free, response for one
who isn't a devoted grower of bonsai is a plastic "Ming" tree.
It simply is NOT a suitable environment for a tree for anyone
who isn't an "expert."

Jim Lewis - Tallahassee, FL - - "IF YOU'VE
SEEN ONE REDWOOD TREE, YOU'VE SEEN THEM ALL."
- Forestry expert, Ronald Reagan

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Jim Lewis

24-09-2004 12:46 PM

Craig Cowing

24-09-2004 12:53 PM

Iris Cohen wrote:

snip
So the poor guy asks a perfectly serious question, and everyone makes fun of
him.
There are tropical bonsai you can use. However, I suggest you get several trees
and rotate them between the bathroom and a growing area, so they will be kept
healthy. A flowering and fruiting bonsai will need more light, as you have
surmised. They will need to be kept outdoors all summer, but you can rotate
them in your bathroom, say a week at a time.
First thing you need to do is get one or more books. Start with something like
the Sunset Bonsai book. If there is a bonsai club anywhere near you, join it.
Suggested species:
Pomegranate (persimmon-red flowers & fruit).
Serissa (white flowers)
Ficus (probably no fruit, but the easiest)

However, if you just want a finished bonsai and you are not interested in
growing or caring for it, you can rent them.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

How about a schefflera? It sounds like it would be a good environment to grow
aerial roots, and it doesn't demand high light.

Craig Cowing
NY
Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37

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Craig Cowing

24-09-2004 12:53 PM

Luke Tulkas

24-09-2004 02:04 PM

"Jim Lewis" wrote in message
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I was wondering if someone can recommend an indoor bonsai tree
that could
be placed in a bathroom - I shower everyday, so there's steam every
morning,
and there is a small meshed window, that faces south.
So there's not much sunlight, and I might have to put in some
artificial
lighting. Ideally, it should have some red leaves/fruit -

So the poor guy asks a perfectly serious question, and everyone makes
fun of
him.

Um . . . well, a bathroom isn't somewhere you go to for leisure
activities

Maybe you're confusing bathroom (bathtubs, showers, jacuzzies, etc.) with
toilet (WC). ;-)

Luke Tulkas

24-09-2004 02:04 PM

Jim Lewis

24-09-2004 03:07 PM

On 24 Sep 2004 at 15:04, Luke Tulkas wrote:

"Jim Lewis" wrote in message
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I was wondering if someone can recommend an indoor bonsai tree
that could
be placed in a bathroom - I shower everyday, so there's steam every
morning,
and there is a small meshed window, that faces south.
So there's not much sunlight, and I might have to put in some
artificial
lighting. Ideally, it should have some red leaves/fruit -

So the poor guy asks a perfectly serious question, and everyone makes
fun of
him.

Um . . . well, a bathroom isn't somewhere you go to for leisure
activities

Maybe you're confusing bathroom (bathtubs, showers, jacuzzies, etc.) with
toilet (WC). ;-)

Nah. I don't confuse THAT easily. I don't want a tree in my
shower, either, and as for my bathtub . . .

My jacuzzi, if I had one, would be on the deck. THERE, I'd have
a tree -- or two.

Jim Lewis - - This economy is a wholly
owned subsidiary of the environment. - Gaylord Nelson

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Jim Lewis

24-09-2004 03:07 PM

Luke Tulkas

24-09-2004 04:35 PM

"Jim Lewis" wrote in message
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I was wondering if someone can recommend an indoor bonsai tree
that could
be placed in a bathroom - I shower everyday, so there's steam every
morning,
and there is a small meshed window, that faces south.
So there's not much sunlight, and I might have to put in some
artificial
lighting. Ideally, it should have some red leaves/fruit -

So the poor guy asks a perfectly serious question, and everyone
makes
fun of
him.

Um . . . well, a bathroom isn't somewhere you go to for leisure
activities

Maybe you're confusing bathroom (bathtubs, showers, jacuzzies, etc.)
with
toilet (WC). ;-)

Nah. I don't confuse THAT easily. I don't want a tree in my
shower, either, and as for my bathtub . . .

My jacuzzi, if I had one, would be on the deck. THERE, I'd have
a tree -- or two.

You're lucky you live in Florida. People in colder climates have jacuzzies
indoors. Well, some have them in- _and_ out-doors but that's beside the
point. I wish I had a living bathroom like Druid. Imagine bathing among the
trees. Under the branches. Better yet, let's make that a pool. Or a lake.
With a waterfall instead of jacuzzi. With regular size trees on the shore.
Hm... but then bonsai would be somewhat obsolete. Anyway, until then, living
bathroom could ba a nice approximation. ;-)

Anil Kaushik

24-09-2004 05:45 PM

I fully agree with what Iris says. One can try a Ficus benjamina which
needs much less light and likes plenty of heat and humidity. In fact
bathroom is an ideal indoor place for a plant like this.

Anil Kaushik
Bonsai Club (India)
Chandigarh.

I was wondering if someone can recommend an indoor bonsai tree that
could
be placed in a bathroom - I shower everyday, so there's steam every
morning,
and there is a small meshed window, that faces south.
So there's not much sunlight, and I might have to put in some
artificial
lighting. Ideally, it should have some red leaves/fruit -

So the poor guy asks a perfectly serious question, and everyone makes fun
of
him.
There are tropical bonsai you can use. However, I suggest you get several
trees
and rotate them between the bathroom and a growing area, so they will be
kept
healthy. A flowering and fruiting bonsai will need more light, as you have
surmised. They will need to be kept outdoors all summer, but you can
rotate
them in your bathroom, say a week at a time.
First thing you need to do is get one or more books. Start with something
like
the Sunset Bonsai book. If there is a bonsai club anywhere near you, join
it.
Suggested species:
Pomegranate (persimmon-red flowers & fruit).
Serissa (white flowers)
Ficus (probably no fruit, but the easiest)

However, if you just want a finished bonsai and you are not interested in
growing or caring for it, you can rent them.

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Anil Kaushik

24-09-2004 05:45 PM

Jim Lewis

24-09-2004 08:40 PM

On 24 Sep 2004 at 17:35, Luke Tulkas wrote:
You're lucky you live in Florida.

Yeah . . . with Charlie, Frances, Ivan, and now Jean. THEY seem
to think it's a neat place.

I wish I had a living bathroom like Druid. Imagine bathing
among the
trees.

Urk! That's why someone INVENTED bathrooms, so you DON'T have
to bathe among the trees, and the mosquitoes, and leeches, and
other assorted denizens of the natural world.

:-)

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Nature
encourages no looseness, pardons no errors. Ralph Waldo Emerson

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Jim Lewis

24-09-2004 08:40 PM

Robert Seele

25-09-2004 04:19 PM

On Friday, September 24, 2004, at 07:21 AM, Craig Cowing wrote:

How about a schefflera? It sounds like it would be a good environment
to grow
aerial roots, and it doesn't demand high light.

I have grown a schefflera in my kitchen which has only one window above
the sink. the schefflera is on the other side of the room. It has ben
there 365 days a year for 4 years, Stays very green and grows very slow.

I am wondering if Flordia is a good place to grow bonsai, strong winds,
too much wind, too hot etc...;( ;)

Bob Seele

Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad
judgment...Will Rogers

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Luke Tulkas

27-09-2004 09:32 AM

"Jim Lewis" wrote in message
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On 24 Sep 2004 at 17:35, Luke Tulkas wrote:
You're lucky you live in Florida.

Yeah . . . with Charlie, Frances, Ivan, and now Jean. THEY seem
to think it's a neat place.

Oh, yeah, forgot about those.

I wish I had a living bathroom like Druid. Imagine bathing
among the
trees.

Urk! That's why someone INVENTED bathrooms, so you DON'T have
to bathe among the trees, and the mosquitoes, and leeches, and
other assorted denizens of the natural world.

There are no mosquitoes (let alone leeches) in living bathrooms. Usualy,
there are no trees either. But like I said: _imagine_. ;-)

Luke Tulkas

27-09-2004 09:32 AM

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