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#16
17-11-2004, 04:43 AM
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There are some potential problems with having your trees that are in the
power line right-of-way pruned by your own arborist. One is that your arborist may end up working close to the power lines, which is dangerous -- especially if they aren't properly trained, and the utilities, as well as state industrial insurance departments, generally discourage such things. Another consideration is that if your contractor doesn't trim your trees near the lines to the utilities specifications, their contractors will just trim the trees again anyway when they come through the area. At least that is what would happen here. Some utilities may be more lax. One bright spot -- as Alan notes, most of the utilities are training their contractors in proper pruning practices these days, so even if they leave the trees looking bad, at least their health is maintained. Regards, Roger Snipes Spokane Wa. Zone 5, or maybe 6, depending on who you believe. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Walker" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 7:48 PM Subject: [IBC] It's Power Line tree trimming time again. Having gone nearly a week without power after a January ice storm a few years ago, I appreciate the need to prune trees away from power lines. And Asplundh is all over the place this month pruning away. They are doing a better job the last few years than they used to do. My arborist, who is an honest to god tree freak, landed a contract to train them in proper pruning techniques. Yes, they still leave trees looking aesthetically perverse, pretty much like Roger describes, but they now respect the branch collars and such, leaving the trees with a much better chance of thriving afterwards. The key to keeping them from butchering your own trees is to have it done at your own expense before they get to your neighborhood. You don't have to do this every year; probably once every ten years will do. That way you can choose an arborist who is accountable to you and your tastes. Alan Walker http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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#17
17-11-2004, 05:18 AM
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I don't know about your state, Roger, but Louisiana arborists are
required to be licensed. Part of the requirements for licensing is that they know and be trained about such things as working around power lines and how to prune a tree so that it will meet power company specifications. That's why I said arborist and not just a tree trimmer which can be any old hack with a chainsaw operating illegally. Alan Walker http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org -----Original Message----- From: Roger Snipes ] There are some potential problems with having your trees that are in the power line right-of-way pruned by your own arborist. One is that your arborist may end up working close to the power lines, which is dangerous -- especially if they aren't properly trained, and the utilities, as well as state industrial insurance departments, generally discourage such things. Another consideration is that if your contractor doesn't trim your trees near the lines to the utilities specifications, their contractors will just trim the trees again anyway when they come through the area. At least that is what would happen here. Some utilities may be more lax. One bright spot -- as Alan notes, most of the utilities are training their contractors in proper pruning practices these days, so even if they leave the trees looking bad, at least their health is maintained. Regards, Roger Snipes Spokane Wa. Zone 5, or maybe 6, depending on who you believe. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Walker" Having gone nearly a week without power after a January ice storm a few years ago, I appreciate the need to prune trees away from power lines. And Asplundh is all over the place this month pruning away. They are doing a better job the last few years than they used to do. My arborist, who is an honest to god tree freak, landed a contract to train them in proper pruning techniques. Yes, they still leave trees looking aesthetically perverse, pretty much like Roger describes, but they now respect the branch collars and such, leaving the trees with a much better chance of thriving afterwards. The key to keeping them from butchering your own trees is to have it done at your own expense before they get to your neighborhood. You don't have to do this every year; probably once every ten years will do. That way you can choose an arborist who is accountable to you and your tastes. Alan Walker http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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#18
17-11-2004, 03:13 PM
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The majority of utility companies if not all utility companies require
that a certified Utility Arborist has to be present at the work site. A certified Utility Arborist is certified by ISA (International Society of Arborists). The requirements are quite stringent to be certified as a Utility Arborist, all ISA arborists are trained in proper pruning techniques (no topping) and any arborist not following approved methods will become decertified etc. In order to retain certification all ISA arborists must take training every three years or acquire similar education. If you feel that the power line crew is incompetent ask to see who the onsite arborist is and if there isn't one file a complaint. Check out the website http://www.isa-arbor.com/ Anton - ISA arborist ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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#19
17-11-2004, 05:56 PM
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Walker" Subject: [IBC] It's Power Line tree trimming time again. I don't know about your state, Roger, but Louisiana arborists are required to be licensed. Part of the requirements for licensing is that they know and be trained about such things as working around power lines and how to prune a tree so that it will meet power company specifications .. That's why I said arborist and not just a tree trimmer which can be any old hack with a chainsaw operating illegally. Alan Walker Alan, " how to prune a tree so that it will meet power company specifications" I think THAT is the important part of your statement.... that and being combined with laziness and not caring how it looks when you are done! Dale ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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#20
17-11-2004, 05:56 PM
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Walker" Subject: [IBC] It's Power Line tree trimming time again. I don't know about your state, Roger, but Louisiana arborists are required to be licensed. Part of the requirements for licensing is that they know and be trained about such things as working around power lines and how to prune a tree so that it will meet power company specifications .. That's why I said arborist and not just a tree trimmer which can be any old hack with a chainsaw operating illegally. Alan Walker Alan, " how to prune a tree so that it will meet power company specifications" I think THAT is the important part of your statement.... that and being combined with laziness and not caring how it looks when you are done! Dale ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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#21
17-11-2004, 06:42 PM
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Snipes" Subject: [IBC] It's Power Line tree trimming time again. Dale, As someone who oversaw the power line reclearing division of a contractor here for a number of years, I have heard these very complaints many times. Snip, mostly since the majority of notes told me what I already said THEY said. But, I do disagree with the later part of this statement. Many years ago the round-over trimming method was the standard approved pruning practice when reclearing lines in urban areas. However when a tree is rounded over as you describe, it subsequently puts out a mass of wild growth (think trunk chop or drastic pruning in your bonsai), which soon is back into the power lines, and is weakly attached to the tree and prone to breaking off. This is where I disagree. The latest accepted standard pruning practices for line clearing are to V out the center of the tree leaving the outside untouched, or trim half of the tree away, leaving the other half untouched, depending on the location of the lines in relation to the tree. While this makes the tree look terrible, it is actually much healthier for the tree, and it avoids stimulating the tree to shoot out wild uncontrolled growth all over. The remaining apically dominant growing branches that are left do their thing In my opinion these "Y" shaped trees with sides ( or one side) left full length but center trimmed down to trunk is a huge "snap-off" in a wind storm waiting to happen and where will the power company be when a side of a tree is laying in your yard for YOU to pay ( possibly the same guys who butchered it to begin with!) to have it removed and cleaned up. You, or they, cannot convince me that a nicely rounded smaller tree is either unhealthy or weak, WHY, because you aren't cutting huge portions right down to the trunk which is where the rotting starts. I've noticed this in MANY local trees trimmed thusly or snapped off at one time. Associating thgis same idea with bonsai....what is weak and/or rotting away on your deciduous bonsai, the outer branches you trim to increase ramification or the "chop" jobs and areas where large sections were removed to increase taper or remove large sections you don't want?? BTW Roger, you sound like you were well trained by the power companies! :) Regards, Dale ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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#22
17-11-2004, 06:45 PM
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Walker" Subject: [IBC] It's Power Line tree trimming time again. , but they now respect the branch collars and such, leaving the trees with a much better chance of thriving afterwards. Well that's good to hear. The key to keeping them from butchering your own trees is to have it done at your own expense before they get to your neighborhood. You don't have to do this every year; probably once every ten years will do. Alan Walker I also thought this would be the best idea.....but then where would I get those house and car payments I need to make for the next few months? They seem to be on a 3-4 yr. cycle. Dale ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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#24
17-11-2004, 07:06 PM
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Anton Nijhuis" Subject: [IBC] It's Power Line tree trimming time again. The majority of utility companies if not all utility companies require that a certified Utility Arborist has to be present at the work site. If you feel that the power line crew is incompetent ask to see who the onsite arborist is and if there isn't one file a complaint. Thanks Anton, I shall copy this and ask when they return sometime this month. BTW, I want to reiterate and explain something here, again. In my first post I noted that a few years ago I refused the trimmers and that brought the power company arborist to my home, we talked, he brought a crew and they did a MUCH NICER job than all my neigbors got all the way down the street. That's all I wanted, expected and heck...had a right to. Folks, I realize the trees need trimmed and have no problems with that. I just want it done by someone who cares what it looks like when done. In the past "holding out" made everyone happy, we'll see if it does again. Regards, Dale P.S. I didn't mention peviously that my street divides the neighborhood at the point where underground power and above ground power come together. MY power comes underground from a box at rear corner of lot, but, the folks across the street get above power which runs along lines and poles on my side of the street. I could never understand that! Our lots are all 150 ft. deep, I'm lucky, both my neighbors have a pole in the middle of their front yards, but the folks across the street that get their power by the lines crossing over the street from our yards have 500 ft deep lots with no poles in them! :) It always bothered me that I had to contend with tree trimmers and they didn't have to. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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#25
17-11-2004, 07:18 PM
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From: "alicia-dr-hankins" Subject: [IBC] It's Power Line tree trimming time again. we have this annually... the ones in front of the houses for power lines...are just chopped off at the line... the house 2 doors down now has a pine toothpick left in front of it, as they chopped the top off... and the tree trunk was tall enough to be house height... its just a pole now... it looks like a impalement pole now... its dead. Hmmm, now the home owner can pay someone to remove it at his expense! I might ad. Locally if they remove a tree from a yard for power lines, at your or their request, they don't take the wood or trunk! They only remove what they can grind up. I mentioned that last time I let them remove a small tree coming up right under the lines that I really didn't want. Luckily it was small enough that I used all the wood in the fireplace. Dale ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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#26
18-11-2004, 04:40 AM
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Alan,
In Washington tree trimmers are only required to be licensed as contractors, no special arborist license is required, consequently some are ISA certified arborists and some are not. Regards, Roger Snipes Spokane Wa. Zone 5, or maybe 6, depending on who you believe. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Walker" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 9:11 PM Subject: [IBC] It's Power Line tree trimming time again. I don't know about your state, Roger, but Louisiana arborists are required to be licensed. Part of the requirements for licensing is that they know and be trained about such things as working around power lines and how to prune a tree so that it will meet power company specifications. That's why I said arborist and not just a tree trimmer which can be any old hack with a chainsaw operating illegally. Alan Walker http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org LSOFT.COM +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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#27
18-11-2004, 04:40 AM
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Alan,
In Washington tree trimmers are only required to be licensed as contractors, no special arborist license is required, consequently some are ISA certified arborists and some are not. Regards, Roger Snipes Spokane Wa. Zone 5, or maybe 6, depending on who you believe. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Walker" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 9:11 PM Subject: [IBC] It's Power Line tree trimming time again. I don't know about your state, Roger, but Louisiana arborists are required to be licensed. Part of the requirements for licensing is that they know and be trained about such things as working around power lines and how to prune a tree so that it will meet power company specifications. That's why I said arborist and not just a tree trimmer which can be any old hack with a chainsaw operating illegally. Alan Walker http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org LSOFT.COM +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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