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Old 24-11-2004, 08:44 PM
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Since we're on the topic, and since I was already thinking about
the subject for a piece I'm doing for our "Knowledge Base" I
would call your attention to

http://www.evergreengardenworks.com/fertiliz.htm

for the absolute best, most cogent, accurate, and clear
explanation of fertilization, fertilizer, plant biology, and
bonsai myths relating thereto.

And I say that even though it DOES echo what Nina and I have
been saying for years and years and years. Brent, however, says
it better than _I_ ever could have.

So, for my Knowledge Base article I'll just refer readers to

http://www.evergreengardenworks.com/fertiliz.htm.

There is NO bonsai book which comes even close to this kind of
accuracy when it comes to fertilizer (and darned few just-plain-
garden books, either).

So READ IT! And then, I know you'll all keep on doing what
you've always done. ;-)

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encourages no looseness, pardons no errors. Ralph Waldo Emerson

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Old 25-11-2004, 07:56 AM
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HI Jim

Jim Lewis wrote:

Since we're on the topic, and since I was already thinking about
the subject for a piece I'm doing for our "Knowledge Base" I
would call your attention to

http://www.evergreengardenworks.com/fertiliz.htm


yeah I already knew it since many years
but it was a good idea to post it again
as we have a tendency to forget things with time and substitute what
we learned with other informations ...
often wrong or less valid

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Old 25-11-2004, 08:07 AM
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Hi Henrik

Henrik Gistvall wrote:

Jim Lewis wrote:
Big snip

So READ IT! And then, I know you'll all keep on doing what
you've always done. ;-)



Yes a very good article. One paragraph however caught my attention:

"From my experience I do not see any benefit to feeding more frequently
than once every two weeks. This is a standard nursery practice for
soluble fertilizers.

Fertilizing more often than this will require more dilute solution and
will waste more material as the excess spills to the ground each time.
It is also more work to prepare the solutions more frequently.
Although I don't have any evidence to prove it yet, it is my suspicion
that fertilizers may be more effective when applied at the higher rates
at the less frequent intervals. Every other week seems to be a verygood period."

This goes against a test at the Agricultural University here in Sweden.
They got better results when feedeing a little more often. The
fertilizer was a regular houseplant fertilizer ( I can try to find the
exact specifiations) and they had best results when the plants where fed
with 1-2 ml fertilizer to 1 liter of water every day.

This has become almost a standard practice among Swedish bonsai growers
(besides me who is lazy and use Biogold).

Henrik Gistvall, Uppsala, Sweden


personally to avoid wasting organic cakes as quite esxpensive,
instead of puttibg them on the surfce of the pot I put them in a
container( 4-5 nuggets) in a over a gallon water ( 6 liters)
and when I need to water my bonsai , I add water in the container
wait 20 minutes and than I water my plants
this way they get fertilized water all over the root ball in small
quantitities, if I need more water I ad again in teh container ..
when ended I turn the container upside down to make all water flow
away and my cakes dry again .. no rottening in water leftover

I started doing that as I noticed that cakes do not dissolve easily
and often dry out in the sun, I have no garden and in a balcony the nigh
humidity is lacking
I always add according the growing period some drops fish emulsion

so the plants receive fertilization every time are watered
I do this since two years and all my old plants & seedlings has
grown very well and I do not waste organic cakes

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Old 27-11-2004, 09:13 AM
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G'day all...

A couple of comments regarding Brent's article.

I DID change my soil mix (fresh bark) and fert practices after reading Brent's
article. I can't say that I've seen astonishing results, but NO negative
impact.

In listening to what Brent has to say, we must consider that he has 20
something (or more) years experience, and has worked with thousands of plants.
I certainly have confidence in his qualifications to give out this kind of
advice.

Further, Brent says to use the fert following label directions...full strength.

And, says he, complicated fert schemes are not necessarily better.

Keep it simple!

None of this is to say that everyone should religously follow Brent's advice.
There are countless fert methods out there...and it's likely that all of them
work...sometimes... for someone...someplace...to some degree.

Enough...

Have a good day...

Pat
Dez of the Arizona High Dezert, at 4550', Oracle, AZ,
2000' above Tucson Sunset Zone 10 USDA Zone 8
aka: Pat Patterson 'riding off in all directions'



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