King Lear wrote:

snipped

Jim, you are a bully but i am not a victim. You fail to answer the
question and choose to insult me instead. But that's ok, each responds
as they feel appropriate.
Others did have the manners to respond in a meaningful way, so thanks to
them for concentrating on the spam issue rather than attack me for
attempting a discussion, or even god forbid, suggesting that something
might change.

Richard


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Richard,

When I don't want to follow a topic, I just hit the
delete key. I read your original post and a few in
between, but not all. Looking at your original note
and the volume it generated, I would have to say you
defeated your own purpose, that you have been off
topic for quite a while. Yes, you are free to have a
discussion about spam but please take if off list as
your posts on spam are now spam to me (i.e. unsolicied
mail).

Kits
--- Richard Patefield wrote:

King Lear wrote:

snipped

Jim, you are a bully but i am not a victim. You fail
to answer the
question and choose to insult me instead. But that's
ok, each responds
as they feel appropriate.
Others did have the manners to respond in a
meaningful way, so thanks to
them for concentrating on the spam issue rather than
attack me for
attempting a discussion, or even god forbid,
suggesting that something
might change.

Richard


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Kitsune Miko wrote:

Richard,

When I don't want to follow a topic, I just hit the
delete key. I read your original post and a few in
between, but not all.


So why didn't you just delete them?

Because you wanted to promote your view just like me, just like, Jim,
just like everyone else.

You are doing the very thing you are telling me not to do - do you
understand this?

R.


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Kitsune Miko wrote:

Richard,

When I don't want to follow a topic, I just hit the
delete key. I read your original post and a few in
between, but not all.


So why didn't you just delete them?

Because you wanted to promote your view just like me, just like, Jim,
just like everyone else.

You are doing the very thing you are telling me not to do - do you
understand this?

R.


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HI Richard Hi to all members of this list

Richard Patefield wrote:

King Lear wrote:

snipped

Jim, you are a bully but i am not a victim. You fail to answer the
question and choose to insult me instead. But that's ok, each responds
as they feel appropriate.
Others did have the manners to respond in a meaningful way, so thanks to
them for concentrating on the spam issue rather than attack me for
attempting a discussion, or even god forbid, suggesting that something
might change.

Richard

I guessed that are different ways to read this NG I never had spams
from here ( unless one consider SPAM New year or Christmas
greetings or the Military film )
I think we should apply the saying :
* mind is like a parachute is worthy only when open*
an open mind is to accept a joke a greet even if is not concerning
our strict beliefs or point of views..it is a matter of respect for
the others memebers ..
otherwise either we are immature and childish with our nagging
reactions or we are like dried out old driftwood just good for the
incineration...

Discussing about bonsai here is the MAIN topic but LIFE GOES ON
anyway and some disgression sometimes does not kill nor ever killed
anyone in the past as far as I know .

As for spams but REAL SPAMS I have about sex or medicaments or
loans thought my Eudora or a provider.. but that's the net today ....
we have to react with what we have as anti spam ..

This list is in english speaking list and by the names acronyms or
tag names ,nobody can guess who is who and where he lives or in what
believes so we do not know
if we are talking with an european australian Chinese or Hindu
America is a Melting pot so all these nationalitis are brewed in ..
Does it makes a difference? we have a common interest: Bonsai but
beside of it life continues for each of us in our ways ..






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Hello Theo - I agree with you to a fair extent. Bonsai practice and the
sharing of information about it, is an excellent stress busting activity.
But serious and heavy discussion on a topic sometimes becomes stressful and
counter productive, defeating the very purpose of managing stress. Drifting
little off the topic sometimes gives relief, like comic or tragic relief in
a movie or drama. Unlike emotionless ROBOTS we can occasionally express
ourselves with greetings, sympathies and other emotions. However some
negative emotions like anger, sarcasm and criticism should be avoided. And
last but not the least the main thrust should remain on the Bonsai related
topics.

With Regards

Anil Kaushik
Bonsai Club (India)
Chandigarh "The City Beautiful"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Theo"
To:
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 12:25 AM
Subject: [IBC] Off topics (longish)


HI Richard Hi to all members of this list

Richard Patefield wrote:

King Lear wrote:

snipped

I guessed that are different ways to read this NG I never had spams
from here ( unless one consider SPAM New year or Christmas
greetings or the Military film )
I think we should apply the saying :
* mind is like a parachute is worthy only when open*
an open mind is to accept a joke a greet even if is not concerning
our strict beliefs or point of views..it is a matter of respect for
the others memebers ..
otherwise either we are immature and childish with our nagging
reactions or we are like dried out old driftwood just good for the
incineration...

Discussing about bonsai here is the MAIN topic but LIFE GOES ON
anyway and some disgression sometimes does not kill nor ever killed
anyone in the past as far as I know .

As for spams but REAL SPAMS I have about sex or medicaments or
loans thought my Eudora or a provider.. but that's the net today ....
we have to react with what we have as anti spam ..

This list is in english speaking list and by the names acronyms or
tag names ,nobody can guess who is who and where he lives or in what
believes so we do not know
if we are talking with an european australian Chinese or Hindu
America is a Melting pot so all these nationalitis are brewed in ..
Does it makes a difference? we have a common interest: Bonsai but
beside of it life continues for each of us in our ways ..

MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4
Private Mail :
«»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«»

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Hello Theo - I agree with you to a fair extent. Bonsai practice and the
sharing of information about it, is an excellent stress busting activity.
But serious and heavy discussion on a topic sometimes becomes stressful and
counter productive, defeating the very purpose of managing stress. Drifting
little off the topic sometimes gives relief, like comic or tragic relief in
a movie or drama. Unlike emotionless ROBOTS we can occasionally express
ourselves with greetings, sympathies and other emotions. However some
negative emotions like anger, sarcasm and criticism should be avoided. And
last but not the least the main thrust should remain on the Bonsai related
topics.

With Regards

Anil Kaushik
Bonsai Club (India)
Chandigarh "The City Beautiful"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Theo"
To:
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 12:25 AM
Subject: [IBC] Off topics (longish)


HI Richard Hi to all members of this list

Richard Patefield wrote:

King Lear wrote:

snipped

I guessed that are different ways to read this NG I never had spams
from here ( unless one consider SPAM New year or Christmas
greetings or the Military film )
I think we should apply the saying :
* mind is like a parachute is worthy only when open*
an open mind is to accept a joke a greet even if is not concerning
our strict beliefs or point of views..it is a matter of respect for
the others memebers ..
otherwise either we are immature and childish with our nagging
reactions or we are like dried out old driftwood just good for the
incineration...

Discussing about bonsai here is the MAIN topic but LIFE GOES ON
anyway and some disgression sometimes does not kill nor ever killed
anyone in the past as far as I know .

As for spams but REAL SPAMS I have about sex or medicaments or
loans thought my Eudora or a provider.. but that's the net today ....
we have to react with what we have as anti spam ..

This list is in english speaking list and by the names acronyms or
tag names ,nobody can guess who is who and where he lives or in what
believes so we do not know
if we are talking with an european australian Chinese or Hindu
America is a Melting pot so all these nationalitis are brewed in ..
Does it makes a difference? we have a common interest: Bonsai but
beside of it life continues for each of us in our ways ..

MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4
Private Mail :
«»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«»

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Hello Theo - I agree with you to a fair extent. Bonsai practice and the
sharing of information about it, is an excellent stress busting activity.
But serious and heavy discussion on a topic sometimes becomes stressful and
counter productive, defeating the very purpose of managing stress. Drifting
little off the topic sometimes gives relief, like comic or tragic relief in
a movie or drama. Unlike emotionless ROBOTS we can occasionally express
ourselves with greetings, sympathies and other emotions. However some
negative emotions like anger, sarcasm and criticism should be avoided. And
last but not the least the main thrust should remain on the Bonsai related
topics.

With Regards

Anil Kaushik
Bonsai Club (India)
Chandigarh "The City Beautiful"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Theo"
To:
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 12:25 AM
Subject: [IBC] Off topics (longish)


HI Richard Hi to all members of this list

Richard Patefield wrote:

King Lear wrote:

snipped

I guessed that are different ways to read this NG I never had spams
from here ( unless one consider SPAM New year or Christmas
greetings or the Military film )
I think we should apply the saying :
* mind is like a parachute is worthy only when open*
an open mind is to accept a joke a greet even if is not concerning
our strict beliefs or point of views..it is a matter of respect for
the others memebers ..
otherwise either we are immature and childish with our nagging
reactions or we are like dried out old driftwood just good for the
incineration...

Discussing about bonsai here is the MAIN topic but LIFE GOES ON
anyway and some disgression sometimes does not kill nor ever killed
anyone in the past as far as I know .

As for spams but REAL SPAMS I have about sex or medicaments or
loans thought my Eudora or a provider.. but that's the net today ....
we have to react with what we have as anti spam ..

This list is in english speaking list and by the names acronyms or
tag names ,nobody can guess who is who and where he lives or in what
believes so we do not know
if we are talking with an european australian Chinese or Hindu
America is a Melting pot so all these nationalitis are brewed in ..
Does it makes a difference? we have a common interest: Bonsai but
beside of it life continues for each of us in our ways ..

MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4
Private Mail :
«»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«»

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HI Anil
that's right even in The Financial times or Playboy you have some comic
strips :-) to manage stress :-D
smiling use less muscles than a grim face this is why I look 45
instead of 62 :-)
Cheers
Theo



Anil Kaushik wrote:

Hello Theo - I agree with you to a fair extent. Bonsai practice and the
sharing of information about it, is an excellent stress busting activity.
But serious and heavy discussion on a topic sometimes becomes stressful and
counter productive, defeating the very purpose of managing stress. Drifting
little off the topic sometimes gives relief, like comic or tragic relief in
a movie or drama. Unlike emotionless ROBOTS we can occasionally express
ourselves with greetings, sympathies and other emotions. However some
negative emotions like anger, sarcasm and criticism should be avoided. And
last but not the least the main thrust should remain on the Bonsai related
topics.

With Regards

Anil Kaushik
Bonsai Club (India)
Chandigarh "The City Beautiful"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Theo"
To:
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 12:25 AM
Subject: [IBC] Off topics (longish)



HI Richard Hi to all members of this list

Richard Patefield wrote:


King Lear wrote:

snipped


I guessed that are different ways to read this NG I never had spams
from here ( unless one consider SPAM New year or Christmas
greetings or the Military film )
I think we should apply the saying :
* mind is like a parachute is worthy only when open*
an open mind is to accept a joke a greet even if is not concerning
our strict beliefs or point of views..it is a matter of respect for
the others memebers ..
otherwise either we are immature and childish with our nagging
reactions or we are like dried out old driftwood just good for the
incineration...

Discussing about bonsai here is the MAIN topic but LIFE GOES ON
anyway and some disgression sometimes does not kill nor ever killed
anyone in the past as far as I know .

As for spams but REAL SPAMS I have about sex or medicaments or
loans thought my Eudora or a provider.. but that's the net today ....
we have to react with what we have as anti spam ..

This list is in english speaking list and by the names acronyms or
tag names ,nobody can guess who is who and where he lives or in what
believes so we do not know
if we are talking with an european australian Chinese or Hindu
America is a Melting pot so all these nationalitis are brewed in ..
Does it makes a difference? we have a common interest: Bonsai but
beside of it life continues for each of us in our ways ..

MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4
Private Mail :
«»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«»


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HI Anil
that's right even in The Financial times or Playboy you have some comic
strips :-) to manage stress :-D
smiling use less muscles than a grim face this is why I look 45
instead of 62 :-)
Cheers
Theo



Anil Kaushik wrote:

Hello Theo - I agree with you to a fair extent. Bonsai practice and the
sharing of information about it, is an excellent stress busting activity.
But serious and heavy discussion on a topic sometimes becomes stressful and
counter productive, defeating the very purpose of managing stress. Drifting
little off the topic sometimes gives relief, like comic or tragic relief in
a movie or drama. Unlike emotionless ROBOTS we can occasionally express
ourselves with greetings, sympathies and other emotions. However some
negative emotions like anger, sarcasm and criticism should be avoided. And
last but not the least the main thrust should remain on the Bonsai related
topics.

With Regards

Anil Kaushik
Bonsai Club (India)
Chandigarh "The City Beautiful"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Theo"
To:
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 12:25 AM
Subject: [IBC] Off topics (longish)



HI Richard Hi to all members of this list

Richard Patefield wrote:


King Lear wrote:

snipped


I guessed that are different ways to read this NG I never had spams
from here ( unless one consider SPAM New year or Christmas
greetings or the Military film )
I think we should apply the saying :
* mind is like a parachute is worthy only when open*
an open mind is to accept a joke a greet even if is not concerning
our strict beliefs or point of views..it is a matter of respect for
the others memebers ..
otherwise either we are immature and childish with our nagging
reactions or we are like dried out old driftwood just good for the
incineration...

Discussing about bonsai here is the MAIN topic but LIFE GOES ON
anyway and some disgression sometimes does not kill nor ever killed
anyone in the past as far as I know .

As for spams but REAL SPAMS I have about sex or medicaments or
loans thought my Eudora or a provider.. but that's the net today ....
we have to react with what we have as anti spam ..

This list is in english speaking list and by the names acronyms or
tag names ,nobody can guess who is who and where he lives or in what
believes so we do not know
if we are talking with an european australian Chinese or Hindu
America is a Melting pot so all these nationalitis are brewed in ..
Does it makes a difference? we have a common interest: Bonsai but
beside of it life continues for each of us in our ways ..

MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4
Private Mail :
«»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«»


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Well Folks, as you might have noticed, I really have had only time to keep
the list running lately. But today I see this and think, you know Henrik is
right. He notes that Jim kept the list on a tight leash, something I really
prefer not to do, so long as you are all talking bonsai. BUT YOUR NOT.

So let me be crystal clear here. Please keep the list for what it is meant
to be. Bonsai. Remember it's meant to help others. If you aren't helping,
or requesting help, just read, DON'T POST.

You want stricter administration. No worries. Look for notices that you
have been removed from the list, or placed on review. Your posts will show
up someday . . . maybe.

RESPOND TO THIS POST PRIVATELY. If you post a reply to THIS post on the
list, I will know immeadiately that you can't read or comprehend what you're
reading and will have no problem removing you.

Shelly Hurd - List Manager.
Look for further JOY from your administrator soon.

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Please keep your dirty laundry on the Bonsai list server WHERE it
belongs, This is a Newgroup I for one don't need to read your pompous
arrogant garbage.

Please try and remove me!

Mark



Well Folks, as you might have noticed, I really have had only time to keep
the list running lately. But today I see this and think, you know Henrik is
right. He notes that Jim kept the list on a tight leash, something I really
prefer not to do, so long as you are all talking bonsai. BUT YOUR NOT.

So let me be crystal clear here. Please keep the list for what it is meant
to be. Bonsai. Remember it's meant to help others. If you aren't helping,
or requesting help, just read, DON'T POST.

You want stricter administration. No worries. Look for notices that you
have been removed from the list, or placed on review. Your posts will show
up someday . . . maybe.

RESPOND TO THIS POST PRIVATELY. If you post a reply to THIS post on the
list, I will know immeadiately that you can't read or comprehend what you're
reading and will have no problem removing you.

Shelly Hurd - List Manager.
Look for further JOY from your administrator soon.

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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:38:48 GMT, Kram wrote:

Please keep your dirty laundry on the Bonsai list server WHERE it
belongs, This is a Newgroup I for one don't need to read your pompous
arrogant garbage.

Please try and remove me!

Mark


I can only agree that Shelly's message was totally misjudged and just
goes to show that even the listmod doesn't understand the full
implications of the list/newsgroup link.

I'll be joining kram from now on in his unmoderated and democratic
forum.

Richard

(Shelly Hurd) wrote:

RESPOND TO THIS POST PRIVATELY. If you post a reply to THIS post on the
list, I will know immeadiately that you can't read or comprehend what you're
reading and will have no problem removing you.

I am responding in the newsgroup, since I'm not a member of the list; you
do know, don't you, that the bonsai list also posts to a public newsgroup
where mere Bonsai dilettantes can read the petulant outbursts?

FWIW.

More on topic- I now have a bunch of Serissas propagated from cuttings that
I have not (yet) managed to kill.

Life is good.


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G