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[IBC] Frozen pots and watering.
Last summer I built an addition on the north side of my fathers house
to serve as a cold storage basement for vegies. The space size is eight feet wide by ten feet long by ten feet high. The space is not heated and has a normal temp between 35 to 40 deg. fh so far this winter, a great place for my potted trees as it turns out. It has been rather cold over the past two weeks, (about 10 to 15 daytime and -10 to -20 at night outside) so the inside temps have been slightly below freezing, between 28 and 30 fh. While checking on them today I noticed many of them needed watering. After watering I noticed that on a few of them the water was not soaking in after a few minutes. After checking a little closer I found that they were frozen. I decided to warm the space up to about 55 for about two hours to try and thaw the frozen trees but I still had standing water on a few. The trees are not potbound just frozen. should I bring the trees in to room temp and thaw them to allow the watere to settle in or leave them alone? Mike Waterhouse Litchfield, Maine Zone 4b "Still plowing snow" ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Many of my bonsai are frozen solid too. Some of the pots look like ice
cubes. Don't worry about them. If they are in a dark area with out wind (very little air circulation) they should be fine. I watered all my bonsai a few weeks ago when the temperatures were in the 60'sF. Last night we had 10 below Zero. So far over 68 inches of snow (and behind last year's snowfall). My bonsai are in poly houses and in a garage where the temperatures are approximately 27F. Three of the poly houses are not heated and the temperature goes well below that. If your bonsai are healthy and winter hardy they should leaf out in spring. If not they may be permanently dormant... Bill ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Thanks Pauline. I had been going with the same setup as you for the past
fifteen years and it worked fine until last year when I was attacked by rodents that wiped out all my tridents and hornbeams and many of my Japanese Maples. Thanks. Mike Waterhouse Litchfield, Maine Zone 4b ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
I really know the feeling...the critters are my real problem not the
temperatures. -22 here this am without wind-chill Critters certainly love all maples and hornbeams .....I put moth balls in the storage area before I seal it in. Some years I even used the electronic buzzers type. Sealing them in a box of hardware cloth ( coarse screen) inside the storage really works but is a pain to set up. Interesting that you can put tridents in storage. It is too cold for them here. I greenhouse them here around Thanksgiving and keep them there until May...I defoliate before taking them outside in the spring. Good luck and keep growing Pauline F Muth Zone 4 West Charlton NY USA www.pfmbonsai.com -----Original Message----- From: Internet Bonsai Club ]On Behalf Of Mike Waterhouse Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 8:12 PM To: Subject: [IBC] Frozen pots and watering. Thanks Pauline. I had been going with the same setup as you for the past fifteen years and it worked fine until last year when I was attacked by rodents that wiped out all my tridents and hornbeams and many of my Japanese Maples. Thanks. Mike Waterhouse Litchfield, Maine Zone 4b ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
I don't have a greenhouse YET but I hope to have one in the near future. I
have had problems with winter die back on my Tridents in the past and I did blame it on the cold weather here in Maine. Any thoughts on how to over winter them here in Maine? How cold can I allow Tridents to go? Mike Waterhouse Litchfield, Maine Zone 4b ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Some of my students in Zone 5 get them through the winter in coolers in
their unheated garages. That can work for Zone 4 most years. It did for me in my early days of bonsai but I never tried it in the coldest of years...those that stay below -20 for a week or two or more. Do you have an unheated basement? Pauline F Muth Zone 4 West Charlton NY USA www.pfmbonsai.com -----Original Message----- From: Internet Bonsai Club ]On Behalf Of Mike Waterhouse Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 8:44 PM To: Subject: [IBC] Frozen pots and watering. I don't have a greenhouse YET but I hope to have one in the near future. I have had problems with winter die back on my Tridents in the past and I did blame it on the cold weather here in Maine. Any thoughts on how to over winter them here in Maine? How cold can I allow Tridents to go? Mike Waterhouse Litchfield, Maine Zone 4b ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
The space I have available to me now sounds like it should work fine now,
the addition I built on to my fathers basement. It is unheated. The temps range from 28 to 40 degrees fer. . for the most part above freezing. Should be fine for Tridents. I hope to acquire a few this spring. Mike Waterhouse Litchfield, Maine Zone 4b ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
On Jan 27, 2005, at 8:43 PM, Mike Waterhouse wrote:
I don't have a greenhouse YET but I hope to have one in the near future. I have had problems with winter die back on my Tridents in the past and I did blame it on the cold weather here in Maine. Any thoughts on how to over winter them here in Maine? How cold can I allow Tridents to go? Mike Waterhouse Litchfield, Maine Zone 4b Mike: Anita and I received a trident as a wedding present. Right now (with -18) I have it in the basement in a cold spot. I don't know the temperature but I can see my breath. The tree is in a styrofoam cooler, mulched with leaves, and filled the rest of the way with styrofoam peanuts. I water it every few days. It will go back outside once it warms up some. I have generally been told that tridents are really zone 6, and we're on the edge of that here. Some on the list have told me in particular that they don't respond well to cold wind. Sounds like a typical Maine winter. This is as cold as it gets here. Should set a new record. Craig Cowing NY Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Never water a tree when the temp autside is near freezing ( but you
did not realize ).. if your trees are taken by ice do not thaw them it only kills them ! leave them until untaw by tehmselves , and never take them inside the house with warmer temperatures Mike Waterhouse wrote: Thanks Pauline. I had been going with the same setup as you for the past fifteen years and it worked fine until last year when I was attacked by rodents that wiped out all my tridents and hornbeams and many of my Japanese Maples. Thanks. Mike Waterhouse Litchfield, Maine Zone 4b ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ -- MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» |
Mike Waterhouse wrote: I don't have a greenhouse YET but I hope to have one in the near future. I have had problems with winter die back on my Tridents in the past and I did blame it on the cold weather here in Maine. Any thoughts on how to over winter them here in Maine? How cold can I allow Tridents to go? next time you could take a wooden box or a styrprene box make some holes on teh bottom for water leaking , and fill it in with dead leaves and than bury the bonsai pot inside will keep them protected during the winther , you can use sow dust or peat or whatever material to protect your pots and trees Mike Waterhouse Litchfield, Maine Zone 4b ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ -- MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» |
I did a talk for our local club on bonsai Winter care, in between nervous, sputtering and stammering, to make to point of not watering while root ball is frozen. I asked them to visualize a glass full of ice cubes then visualize pouring water or other adult beverage in it. What do you hear? Crack, Crack, Pop, Crack, pop,maybe, phisss, then I asked them, do you think it is a good idea to water your trees when frozen?
Thought I would pass along, I don't come up with clever tidbits often. Doug T. WMass Zone 5 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 2:32 AM Subject: [IBC] Frozen pots and watering. Never water a tree when the temp autside is near freezing ( but you did not realize ).. if your trees are taken by ice do not thaw them it only kills them ! leave them until untaw by tehmselves , and never take them inside the house with warmer temperatures Mike Waterhouse wrote: Thanks Pauline. I had been going with the same setup as you for the past fifteen years and it worked fine until last year when I was attacked by rodents that wiped out all my tridents and hornbeams and many of my Japanese Maples. Thanks. Mike Waterhouse Litchfield, Maine Zone 4b ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ -- MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Douglas Taylor wrote: I did a talk for our local club on bonsai Winter care, in between nervous, sputtering and stammering, to make to point of not watering while root ball is frozen. I asked them to visualize a glass full of ice cubes then visualize pouring water or other adult beverage in it. What do you hear? Crack, Crack, Pop, Crack, pop,maybe, phisss, then I asked them, do you think it is a good idea to water your trees when frozen? Thought I would pass along, I don't come up with clever tidbits often. when the soil is iced tha plant does not absorb water from roots as water is solid... so I do not see the necessity of watering .. if you take them inside the branches will wither as continue evaporation from the thin bark or buds and the roots do not pump this is why you just have to sit and prey that all will be ok ... and water them as soon as teh soil will be not iced anymore and if is not forecasted an ice wave again ... Mine on a balcony are taken inside for 20 minutes and vaporized with water on the buds, if necessary , and as soon as they are dry I put them back outside MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» |
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