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Hi Billy
Billy M. Rhodes wrote: In a message dated 2/8/2005 8:52:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, writes: I use *pollina* that is chicken manure processed in small cylinders SNIP Since animal waste fertilizers must break down into their chemical parts before being used by plants, they can actually draw nutrients from the soil as they break down. Usually animal waste partly composted before being used as fertilizer, thus reducing the above mentioned problem. Ok as we use to do with horse manure that must be composted or Mature as we say otherwise it burns thanks MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» |
In a message dated 2/8/2005 10:57:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,
writes: Ok as we use to do with horse manure that must be composted or Mature as we say otherwise it burns thanks Chicken manure will burn, I don't know about other animals, but I have used horse manure as it came from the barn, mixed with saw dust. Many years ago I lived in Northern San Diego County, California. My father was big into getting free fertilizer from the dairy and chicken farms in the San Luis Rey Valley, which I got to spread after school. We always mixed the chicken manure with the local adobe soil at about 1 to 1 ratio and it worked fine. A neighbor got a load of chicken manure and spread it heavily on his lawn. Killed every blade of grass and smelled of chicken manure every time it rained for years. (Which in that climate, in those years, wasn't much. THANKFULLY) Billy on the Florida Space Coast ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Billy M. Rhodes wrote: -Snip - I cannot get fresh chicken manure anyway , I know that my father always told me it was too acidic and t burn plants The horse manure I can get ,some in my nerby botanic garden and is a dead one ,already mixed with clay and straw , and even that has to be put in the bottom of the well for roses and covered with soil on which will rest rose roots I use it very seldom for maple or in rotation with othe rs fertilizers We have cow manure horse manure and poultry's I bought some poultry's and is processed looks like small cylinders and normally I put 4. 7 on the pot between roots and the pot edge .. but for instance not on pentatphilla as I read they hate rotten fertilizer so for Penta I use japanese fertilizer only In a message dated 2/8/2005 10:57:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, writes: Ok as we use to do with horse manure that must be composted or Mature as we say otherwise it burns thanks Chicken manure will burn, I don't know about other animals, but I have used horse manure as it came from the barn, mixed with saw dust. Many years ago I lived in Northern San Diego County, California. My father was big into getting free fertilizer from the dairy and chicken farms in the San Luis Rey Valley, which I got to spread after school. We always mixed the chicken manure with the local adobe soil at about 1 to 1 ratio and it worked fine. A neighbor got a load of chicken manure and spread it heavily on his lawn. Killed every blade of grass and smelled of chicken manure every time it rained for years. (Which in that climate, in those years, wasn't much. THANKFULLY) Billy on the Florida Space Coast ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ -- MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» |
Does anyone know about using rabbit manure? I've got two of them and
lord knows they produce enough of it. We use "Yesterday's News" litter which is made of recycled newspaper. -Brian ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Brian Hagan wrote: Does anyone know about using rabbit manure? I've got two of them and lord knows they produce enough of it. We use "Yesterday's News" litter which is made of recycled newspaper. well it is the same answer than for guinea pig manure goat manure sheep manure deer manure and so on all needs to be composted first to loose the acidity and salts MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» |
Excreta of HERBEVOROUS animals is good manure provided it is well rotted.
Cow and Buffalo dung manure is very popular in Indian sub-continent and used extensively to enrich the soil with macro and micro elements. It is used more as a buffer to improve the texture and quality of the soil, than as a fertilizer. But if it is not well rotted, it can be equally bad. While it rots, it releases toxins which can be extremely harmful to the roots. Anil Kaushik Bonsai Club (India) Chandigarh "The City Beautiful" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theo" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 2:39 AM Subject: [IBC] Animal fertilizer Brian Hagan wrote: Does anyone know about using rabbit manure? I've got two of them and lord knows they produce enough of it. We use "Yesterday's News" litter which is made of recycled newspaper. well it is the same answer than for guinea pig manure goat manure sheep manure deer manure and so on all needs to be composted first to loose the acidity and salts MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
In a message dated 2/9/2005 4:11:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,
writes: Excreta of HERBEVOROUS animals is good manure provided it is well rotted. It is used more as a buffer to improve the texture and quality of the soil, than as a fertilizer. But if it is not well rotted, it can be equally bad. While it rots, it releases toxins which can be extremely harmful to the roots. Anil Kaushik Can you be more specific concerning the "toxins?" I know that: 1. depending upon the diet of the animal and possibly how the manure is collected their may be "salts" in the manure that would need to leach out in a compost pile. 2. fresh manure, as it breaks down, can draw nitrogen from the soil instead of adding to it. 3. some manure (chicken, but I wouldn't think ruminants) can contain too much nitrate and that can burn plants and roots. Billy on the Florida Space Coast ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Billy M. Rhodes wrote: In a message dated 2/9/2005 4:11:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, writes: Excreta of HERBEVOROUS animals is good manure provided it is well rotted. It is used more as a buffer to improve the texture and quality of the soil, than as a fertilizer. But if it is not well rotted, it can be equally bad. While it rots, it releases toxins which can be extremely harmful to the roots. Anil Kaushik Can you be more specific concerning the "toxins?" I know that: 1. depending upon the diet of the animal and possibly how the manure is collected their may be "salts" in the manure that would need to leach out in a compost pile. 2. fresh manure, as it breaks down, can draw nitrogen from the soil instead of adding to it. 3. some manure (chicken, but I wouldn't think ruminants) can contain too much nitrate and that can burn plants and roots. I guess that are mixed urines too, that means clorure of sodium and ammonia.. at high levels Billy on the Florida Space Coast ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ -- MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» |
I use a fert I buy from this guy on ebay called Biogreen which is some sort
of organic Fert. They look like rabbit pellets. I would be careful of the amounts. They can burn if too much is used. I never use commercial ferts on my Bonsai at their recommended doseage. I always reduce doseage by at least 1/2 SteveW LI NY ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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Steven Wachs wrote: I use a fert I buy from this guy on ebay called Biogreen which is some sort of organic Fert. They look like rabbit pellets. I would be careful of the amounts. They can burn if too much is used. I never use commercial ferts on my Bonsai at their recommended doseage. I always reduce doseage by at least 1/2 so do I , if you leave tehm on teh soil surface change tehm of place the following 3 weeks when exausted.. I prefer put some 5 -10 pellets ( it depends how many plants you need to fertilize ) in the water leave soaking 1 hour and give the water to my plants .. I waste less fertilizer MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» |
Billy
Thank you for refreshing my knowledge on these three points. As far the toxins, a few years ago one Professor from Punjab Agriculture University gave a talk on fertilizers and manures for plants. During that comprehensive talk he had said that when the manure starts fermenting it give off some gases and produces some substances which are harmful to the roots especially the tender ones. I cannot recollect the name of those substances but perhaps it was "cryptogams" (I am afraid if I remember it correctly). In nutshell to prevent root scorching, one should use only well rotted (about a year old) manure. With this I will request Nina and Jim to elaborate on this. Anil Kaushik Bonsai Club (India) Chandigarh "The City Beautiful" Billy M. Rhodes wrote: In a message dated 2/9/2005 4:11:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, writes: Excreta of HERBEVOROUS animals is good manure provided it is well rotted. It is used more as a buffer to improve the texture and quality of the soil, than as a fertilizer. But if it is not well rotted, it can be equally bad. While it rots, it releases toxins which can be extremely harmful to the roots. Anil Kaushik Can you be more specific concerning the "toxins?" I know that: 1. depending upon the diet of the animal and possibly how the manure is collected their may be "salts" in the manure that would need to leach out in a compost pile. 2. fresh manure, as it breaks down, can draw nitrogen from the soil instead of adding to it. 3. some manure (chicken, but I wouldn't think ruminants) can contain too much nitrate and that can burn plants and roots. I guess that are mixed urines too, that means clorure of sodium and ammonia.. at high levels Billy on the Florida Space Coast ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Anil Kaushik wrote: Billy Thank you for refreshing my knowledge on these three points. As far the toxins, a few years ago one Professor from Punjab Agriculture University gave a talk on fertilizers and manures for plants. During that comprehensive talk he had said that when the manure starts fermenting it give off some gases and produces some substances which are harmful to the roots especially the tender ones. I cannot recollect the name of those substances but perhaps it was "cryptogams" (I am afraid if I remember it correctly). In nutshell to prevent root scorching, one should use only well rotted (about a year old) manure. With this I will request Nina and Jim to elaborate on this. paysantry do that since ever the manure coming from factories is piled up with ald straw and is let fermenting and weather under elements rain sun and so on .. when the crops are harvested the soil is worked and this manure is dispensed and mixed with soil so will takes 2 months of rain snow and elements to mature it, moreover is diluted I do not know if this year /when manured ) the soil is left to grow wild herbs or erba medica for animal feeding or less importants ones that provide to the soil others elements and the following year they seed wheat or similar I think that the proceed should be more or less this one .. Anil Kaushik Bonsai Club (India) Chandigarh "The City Beautiful" Billy M. Rhodes wrote: In a message dated 2/9/2005 4:11:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, writes: Excreta of HERBEVOROUS animals is good manure provided it is well rotted. It is used more as a buffer to improve the texture and quality of the soil, than as a fertilizer. But if it is not well rotted, it can be equally bad. While it rots, it releases toxins which can be extremely harmful to the roots. Anil Kaushik Can you be more specific concerning the "toxins?" I know that: 1. depending upon the diet of the animal and possibly how the manure is collected their may be "salts" in the manure that would need to leach out in a compost pile. 2. fresh manure, as it breaks down, can draw nitrogen from the soil instead of adding to it. 3. some manure (chicken, but I wouldn't think ruminants) can contain too much nitrate and that can burn plants and roots. I guess that are mixed urines too, that means clorure of sodium and ammonia.. at high levels Billy on the Florida Space Coast ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ -- MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» |
On 9 Feb 2005 at 22:26, Anil Kaushik wrote:
Billy Thank you for refreshing my knowledge on these three points. As far the toxins, a few years ago one Professor from Punjab Agriculture University gave a talk on fertilizers and manures for plants. During that comprehensive talk he had said that when the manure starts fermenting it give off some gases and produces some substances which are harmful to the roots especially the tender ones. I cannot recollect the name of those substances but perhaps it was "cryptogams" (I am afraid if I remember it correctly). In nutshell to prevent root scorching, one should use only well rotted (about a year old) manure. With this I will request Nina and Jim to elaborate on this. I doubt that this constitutes "elaboration" but I'll add that "raw" manure (manure right from the source, so to speak) will release highly soluble nitrogen compounds and ammonia, both of which will burn plant roots if applied heavily. Raw manure from herbivoires also will contain weed seeds. Use manure via the compost pile or by making "manure tea." Rodale give this formula for manure tea: Place one or two shovelfuls of raw manure into permeable bag (the finer the weave the better). Burlap is good. Tie the bag closed and place in a barrel or other large container filled with water. Steep for about a week (2 weeks is OK). Use full strength as a fertilizer applied alone, like every 2 weeks or so). Or, dilute it and use it when you water your trees. Here's a table (again courtesy of Rodale) showing the NPK analysis (percentages) of "typical" manures. Chicken 1.1 - 0.8 - 0.5 Cow 0.6 - 0.2 - 0.5 Duck 0.6 - 1.4 - 0.5 Horse 0.7 - 0.3 - 0.6 Pig 0.5 - 0.3 - 0.5 Rabbit 2.4 - 1.4 - 0.6 Sheep 0.7 - 0.3 - 0.9 Steer 0.7 - 0.3 - 0.4 I have no idea why "steer" is different from "cow" (fertilizer- wise, I mean.) ;-) Do NOT use manure from carnivoires or omnivoires; it can contain organisms that are harmful to us. At any rate, these all constitute a fairly weak fertilizer. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Nature encourages no looseness, pardons no errors. Ralph Waldo Emerson ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
In a message dated 2/9/2005 6:25:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,
writes: I have no idea why "steer" is different from "cow" (fertilizer- wise, I mean.) ;-) Milk? Wouldn't producing milk/calves use more of some elements than a steer would? Billy on the Florida Space Coast ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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