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Avoiding 'broken top' redwoods using sacrifice branches?
Hello:
Yet another dumb idea from the guy who thought he could grow potensai in Fresno/Visalia unattended. (btw - I appreciate all the good advice, someone could have sold me a lot of trees before I figured out that it would not work) So this idea is: Top the tree, use a branch behind for the apex and a side branch wired back across the trunk to hide the chop scar. Pretty standard technique. Next, since these bud back so well, allow a branch on the back of the tree - about 1/3 to 1/2 of the way up to grow and grow and grow while keeping the apex pinched back. The sacrifice should over time start to form a new apex and give me even more taper. When I'm ready to show the tree I remove the sacrifice branch. When I'm done showing the tree, I grow another sacrifice branch and repeat. I read this group on usenet but emails are welcome if you prefer. Many thanks for all the tips over the years, bob campbell zone 7 - nor-cal between the bay and the hills |
Steve wachs wrote:
I personally do not like the idea of a branch across the trunk. I understand why you want to do it, but I don't think it willl look good. my preference would be be to ecourage growth around the chop to allow growth of a branch to hide the scar. Or, do what most of us do and put the chop to the BACK. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Nature encourages no looseness, pardons no errors. Ralph Waldo Emerson ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Bob: Not quite standard technique. Usually you angle your chop
toward the back of the tree and bring up a bud or branch from the front. You can help a large chop scar heal faster by thread grafting a thin branch from below through the heart of the scar. In my climate these scars tend to heal fairly quickly whichever way you go. Also, if it's a pretty large scar on your chop, it helps to carve it convex. This provides a better transition taper. Alan Walker http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org -----Original Message----- From: bob campbell Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 2:08 PM To: Subject: [IBC] Avoiding 'broken top' redwoods using sacrifice branches? Hello: Yet another dumb idea from the guy who thought he could grow potensai in Fresno/Visalia unattended. (btw - I appreciate all the good advice, someone could have sold me a lot of trees before I figured out that it would not work) So this idea is: Top the tree, use a branch behind for the apex and a side branch wired back across the trunk to hide the chop scar. Pretty standard technique. Next, since these bud back so well, allow a branch on the back of the tree - about 1/3 to 1/2 of the way up to grow and grow and grow while keeping the apex pinched back. The sacrifice should over time start to form a new apex and give me even more taper. When I'm ready to show the tree I remove the sacrifice branch. When I'm done showing the tree, I grow another sacrifice branch and repeat. I read this group on usenet but emails are welcome if you prefer. Many thanks for all the tips over the years, bob campbell zone 7 - nor-cal between the bay and the hills ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
On Jul 12, 2005, at 9:09 PM, Alan Walker wrote:
Bob: Not quite standard technique. Usually you angle your chop toward the back of the tree and bring up a bud or branch from the front. I have a wild collected crabapple tree which fortunately developed two new leaders right at the top edge of the cut where I wanted them. The front one is the new leader, and I pruned it back this spring to grow out again. I have the rear one growing unencumbered to help the scar heal over more quickly. That will be the sacrifice leader which I will probably cut back next spring, depending on how much more healing I get at the cut. It's progressing pretty well. You can help a large chop scar heal faster by thread grafting a thin branch from below through the heart of the scar. In my climate these scars tend to heal fairly quickly whichever way you go. If you did this, would the thread graft come up in the middle of the scar? I assume this would be a sacrifice, which you would have to leave in place until the wood that "puddled" around the opening met up with the growing edge of the new wood around the perimeter of the cut. Am I getting this right? Also, if it's a pretty large scar on your chop, it helps to carve it convex. This provides a better transition taper. Alan Walker http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org Craig Cowing NY Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
I prefer the chop in the back as well. I also like to make my chops on an angle. never straight across. I find it is harder to hide the scar. If you angle the cut you may get lucky and get some growth around that chop that can possibly hide it
SteveW Long Island NY -----Original Message----- From: Jim Lewis To: Cc: Sent: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:03:08 -0400 Subject: [IBC] Avoiding 'broken top' redwoods using sacrifice branches? Steve wachs wrote: I personally do not like the idea of a branch across the trunk. I understand why you want to do it, but I don't think it willl look good. my preference would be be to ecourage growth around the chop to allow growth of a branch to hide the scar. Or, do what most of us do and put the chop to the BACK. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Nature encourages no looseness, pardons no errors. Ralph Waldo Emerson ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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