g'day maryc,

lay down thick newspaper first up then start building up the bed, come
visit us and see hoe we do it, never had weeds come back and take
over.



On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 03:19:13 +0000, Maryc
wrote:

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With peace and brightest of blessings,

len

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

When we started the garden we did put down newspaper and cardboard boxes. But this grass that we have is very determined it will put out growth up to something like 3 feet to find a foot hold. It came in from outside the garden and not from under the newspaper. Also we had put some grass clippings as one of the layers and It grew from that too. What a mess. The stuff is trying to grow all throughout my compost pile too. Mean old grass.

Mary

I have done the unthinkable and used chemicals. In late-September,
the proposed garden area was drenched with Round Up. Four weeks
later the area was covered with black plastic held down with bricks.
It will be tilled in April.

But Len's Straw-Bale Garden is really neat. But my problem is the
lack of fencing and an over-abundance of deer and rabbits. Since
I live in an urban area, shooting/trapping the deer is illegal.
Fortunately rabbits have no friends amongst lawmakers, but you
can't eat them unless you kill them after the first frost due to
some disease they carry. So you either toss them in a hole or
feed them.

Len;s Straw-Bale garden is at
http://tinyurl.com/25vaq6

Dick

g'day maryc,

not sure if this part of the porocess would have helped you but with
all our agrdens we create a weed barrier around the gardens by forming
a border app' 1/2 a meter wide all around.

this is to help hold back any invasive types grasses from getting into
the beds.

On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 21:53:31 +0000, Maryc
wrote:

snipped
With peace and brightest of blessings,

len

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

Hi All.
I have not heard about the disease that rabits carry. As far as I know they
are shot all the time in the U.K. can you explain this please. Thank you.

Richard M. Watkin.

"Dick Adams" wrote in message
...
I have done the unthinkable and used chemicals. In late-September,
the proposed garden area was drenched with Round Up. Four weeks
later the area was covered with black plastic held down with bricks.
It will be tilled in April.

But Len's Straw-Bale Garden is really neat. But my problem is the
lack of fencing and an over-abundance of deer and rabbits. Since
I live in an urban area, shooting/trapping the deer is illegal.
Fortunately rabbits have no friends amongst lawmakers, but you
can't eat them unless you kill them after the first frost due to
some disease they carry. So you either toss them in a hole or
feed them.

Len;s Straw-Bale garden is at
http://tinyurl.com/25vaq6

Dick

R M. Watkin asked:
I have not heard about the disease that rabits carry. As far
as I know they are shot all the time in the U.K. can you
explain this please. Thank you.

My father was a medical doctor and he explained this to me years
ago. I don't recall his explanation, but I found the following
which is very much on-point at http://tinyurl.com/ysvo2q

"Tularemia is a bacterial disease of rabbits that is transmittable
to man, usually through openings in the skin. Hunters who notice
small white or yellow spots on the surface of the rabbit's liver
when they are field dressing it should discard the entire rabbit
immediately. During the early stages of the disease the liver can
appear normal, though the infected rabbit may behave oddly, move
slowly or be easily captured. It is a good idea to wear rubber
gloves when dressing a rabbit and it is important to always cook
rabbit meat thoroughly. Tularemia is transmitted between rabbits
by fleas and ticks. The rabbits usually die from the disease, but
it is not normally a problem once there has been a good hard frost
and the temperature remains cool. A hard frost kills ticks and fleas
which carry the disease and any rabbit infected prior to the freeze
will normally die within a few days of contracting the disease."

This may be a global problem, a North American problem, or just a
local problem, but it is a real problem.

However, never let anything stop you from killing a rabbit feasting
in your garden.

Dick

Tularemia (also known as rabbit fever or deerfly fever) is an infectious
disease in ticks and rabbits that is caused by a bacterium (Francisella
tularensis). The disease was first described in Japan in 1837. Its name
relates to the description in 1911 of a plague-like illness in ground
squirrels in Tulare county, California (hence the name tularemia) and the
subsequent work done by Dr. Edward Francis.

Tularemia occurs throughout North America and in many parts of Europe and
Asia. Francisella tularensis is found worldwide in over a hundred species of
wild animals, birds and insects. Some examples of animals, other than
rabbits, that carry tularemia are meadow mice, ground hogs (woodchucks),
ground squirrels, tree squirrels, beavers, coyotes, muskrats, opossums,
sheep, and various game birds.

A hard freeze tends to wipe out the weaker infected animals, so that is why
we don't eat wild rabbits around here until at least one or two good
frostings.

What are they shot with in the UK? I thought firearms had been banned there.




"R M. Watkin" wrote in message
...
Hi All.
I have not heard about the disease that rabits carry. As far as I know
they are shot all the time in the U.K. can you explain this please. Thank
you.

Richard M. Watkin.

Hi,
Thank you for the infomation. I have printed it of for further study.

Richard M. Watkin.

"Dick Adams" wrote in message
...
R M. Watkin asked:
I have not heard about the disease that rabits carry. As far
as I know they are shot all the time in the U.K. can you
explain this please. Thank you.

My father was a medical doctor and he explained this to me years
ago. I don't recall his explanation, but I found the following
which is very much on-point at http://tinyurl.com/ysvo2q

"Tularemia is a bacterial disease of rabbits that is transmittable
to man, usually through openings in the skin. Hunters who notice
small white or yellow spots on the surface of the rabbit's liver
when they are field dressing it should discard the entire rabbit
immediately. During the early stages of the disease the liver can
appear normal, though the infected rabbit may behave oddly, move
slowly or be easily captured. It is a good idea to wear rubber
gloves when dressing a rabbit and it is important to always cook
rabbit meat thoroughly. Tularemia is transmitted between rabbits
by fleas and ticks. The rabbits usually die from the disease, but
it is not normally a problem once there has been a good hard frost
and the temperature remains cool. A hard frost kills ticks and fleas
which carry the disease and any rabbit infected prior to the freeze
will normally die within a few days of contracting the disease."

This may be a global problem, a North American problem, or just a
local problem, but it is a real problem.

However, never let anything stop you from killing a rabbit feasting
in your garden.

Dick

Hi All,
Rabbits are shot with an air rifle, or some people prefer a shot gun. You
need a fire arms certificte for a shot gun, but not for an air gun below a
certain power. A non F. A. C. rated air rifle will kill a rabbit . hope this
helps you .

Richard M. Watkin.

"Brian" wrote in message
link.net...
Tularemia (also known as rabbit fever or deerfly fever) is an infectious
disease in ticks and rabbits that is caused by a bacterium (Francisella
tularensis). The disease was first described in Japan in 1837. Its name
relates to the description in 1911 of a plague-like illness in ground
squirrels in Tulare county, California (hence the name tularemia) and the
subsequent work done by Dr. Edward Francis.

Tularemia occurs throughout North America and in many parts of Europe and
Asia. Francisella tularensis is found worldwide in over a hundred species
of wild animals, birds and insects. Some examples of animals, other than
rabbits, that carry tularemia are meadow mice, ground hogs (woodchucks),
ground squirrels, tree squirrels, beavers, coyotes, muskrats, opossums,
sheep, and various game birds.

A hard freeze tends to wipe out the weaker infected animals, so that is
why we don't eat wild rabbits around here until at least one or two good
frostings.

What are they shot with in the UK? I thought firearms had been banned
there.




"R M. Watkin" wrote in message
...
Hi All.
I have not heard about the disease that rabits carry. As far as I know
they are shot all the time in the U.K. can you explain this please. Thank
you.

Richard M. Watkin.

Egregious top posting corrected.

On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 15:25:33 -0000, "R M. Watkin"
wrote:

"Dick Adams" wrote

My father was a medical doctor and he explained this to me years
ago. I don't recall his explanation, but I found the following
which is very much on-point at http://tinyurl.com/ysvo2q

Hi,
Thank you for the infomation. I have printed it of for further study.


You might want to get actual facts on the disease rather than vaguely
remembered warnings or a web page where the author refers to the
rabbit's anus and bladder as "The hole where the poop comes out" and
"urine sack".

http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/tularemia/



Penelope





--
You have proven yourself to be the most malicious,
classless person that I've encountered in years.
- "pointed"

Handguns are banned for the public. Shotguns and rifles are still
permitted under license. I don't know any farmers who don't own a
shotgun. Around any UK airport, or Parliament, you'll see armed police.
Sport shooting/hunting of game (birds, deer) is a gigantic business in
the UK.

We don't have any tularemia in rabbits here, so they are still eaten.
You can still buy wild rabbit in many rural butcher shops. One of my
farm neighbours shot 600 on his farm in one night, and sold enough of
them to cover his expenses.

Shot 600 in one night! Wow, he must have had them line up in front
of a machine gun turret.

I understand that in OZ you can make a decent living from killing
rabbits and kangaroos.

Until my father could no longer get around, saturday dinner at his
house from mid-November until May was apple-fed rabbit meat.

Dick

We don't have any tularemia in rabbits here, so they are still eaten.
You can still buy wild rabbit in many rural butcher shops. One of my
farm neighbours shot 600 on his farm in one night, and sold enough of
them to cover his expenses.

Shot 600 in one night! Wow, he must have had them line up in front
of a machine gun turret.

No need; he used a method called lamping. (Also used for shooting
foxes) The victims line themselves up to be shot.

In the States, we call it 'jacklighting'. It's used for shooting deer
from the highway.

Dick

(Dick Adams) expounded:

We don't have any tularemia in rabbits here, so they are still eaten.
You can still buy wild rabbit in many rural butcher shops. One of my
farm neighbours shot 600 on his farm in one night, and sold enough of
them to cover his expenses.

Shot 600 in one night! Wow, he must have had them line up in front
of a machine gun turret.

No need; he used a method called lamping. (Also used for shooting
foxes) The victims line themselves up to be shot.

In the States, we call it 'jacklighting'. It's used for shooting deer
from the highway.

Dick
Jacking deer is illegal in most if not all states.
--
Ann
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We don't have any tularemia in rabbits here, so they are still eaten.
You can still buy wild rabbit in many rural butcher shops. One of my
farm neighbours shot 600 on his farm in one night, and sold enough of
them to cover his expenses.

Shot 600 in one night! Wow, he must have had them line up in front
of a machine gun turret.

No need; he used a method called lamping. (Also used for shooting
foxes) The victims line themselves up to be shot.

In the States, we call it 'jacklighting'. It's used for shooting deer
from the highway.

Jacking deer is illegal in most if not all states.

Shooting deer from your car is, or should be, illegal everywhere.
Jacklighting is very dangerous. The only place I have heard of it
being legal is in Florida, but only for registered members of
recognized indian tribes.

After all is said and done, I have no sympathy for rabbits.
Especially those who think my garden is a dinner table.

Dick