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Old 21-05-2006, 04:58 AM posted to sci.bio.food-science,sci.chem,rec.gardens.edible
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Hi:

I notice that many fruit emit foul odors when ripe. What chemicals are
responisble for this?

I hate those odors. That why I like to eat apricots, peaches, and
similar fruits when they are sour, hard, and greenish. When sour, hard,
and greenish, most fruits smell pleasant. When they are too ripe, they
become excessively sweet, grossly-soft up and turn mucus-yellow; this
is when they start to
STEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEENK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What causes those immeasureably-foul odors?


Thanks,

Radium


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Old 21-05-2006, 11:48 AM posted to sci.bio.food-science,sci.chem,rec.gardens.edible
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Andy replies:

Well, I am pretty much opposite. Nothing worse for me than a green
banana. I like them soft, and fragrant, and yellow, and mushy so I can
mash them
up with peanut butter....
Rotten potatoes are another matter....

I guess I agree with you on some stuff and not on others...

Ain't diversity wonderful ????

Andy in Eureka, Texas

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AndyS wrote:
Andy replies:

Well, I am pretty much opposite. Nothing worse for me than a green
banana. I like them soft, and fragrant, and yellow, and mushy so I can
mash them
up with peanut butter....
Rotten potatoes are another matter....

I guess I agree with you on some stuff and not on others...

Ain't diversity wonderful ????

Andy in Eureka, Texas


But what chemicals are responbile for the stink of over-ripe fruits.

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Old 21-05-2006, 01:20 PM posted to sci.bio.food-science,sci.chem,rec.gardens.edible
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In article .com,
"Radium" wrote:

AndyS wrote:
Andy replies:

Well, I am pretty much opposite. Nothing worse for me than a green
banana. I like them soft, and fragrant, and yellow, and mushy so I can
mash them
up with peanut butter....
Rotten potatoes are another matter....

I guess I agree with you on some stuff and not on others...

Ain't diversity wonderful ????

Andy in Eureka, Texas


But what chemicals are responbile for the stink of over-ripe fruits.


Putricine.....
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Peace!
Om

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Old 21-05-2006, 01:27 PM posted to sci.bio.food-science,sci.chem,rec.gardens.edible
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OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
In article .com,
"Radium" wrote:

AndyS wrote:
Andy replies:

Well, I am pretty much opposite. Nothing worse for me than a green
banana. I like them soft, and fragrant, and yellow, and mushy so I can
mash them
up with peanut butter....
Rotten potatoes are another matter....

I guess I agree with you on some stuff and not on others...

Ain't diversity wonderful ????

Andy in Eureka, Texas


But what chemicals are responbile for the stink of over-ripe fruits.



Putricine.....


Putricine smells like rotting flesh, which is also a foul odor but
totally different from that of ripe fruits.

To my nose, over-ripe fruits don't have a smell that even nearly
resembles rotting flesh. Both are equally bad odors, though.

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Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
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Old 21-05-2006, 02:20 PM posted to sci.bio.food-science,sci.chem,rec.gardens.edible
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In article .com,
"Radium" wrote:

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
In article .com,
"Radium" wrote:

AndyS wrote:
Andy replies:

Well, I am pretty much opposite. Nothing worse for me than a green
banana. I like them soft, and fragrant, and yellow, and mushy so I can
mash them
up with peanut butter....
Rotten potatoes are another matter....

I guess I agree with you on some stuff and not on others...

Ain't diversity wonderful ????

Andy in Eureka, Texas

But what chemicals are responbile for the stink of over-ripe fruits.



Putricine.....


Putricine smells like rotting flesh, which is also a foul odor but
totally different from that of ripe fruits.

To my nose, over-ripe fruits don't have a smell that even nearly
resembles rotting flesh. Both are equally bad odors, though.


Is your sarcasm meter broken?

Sorry, but I don't find ripe fruit smelly.
I can't stand to eat green fruit. It's just nasty.

I've never smelled rotted fruit. I don't buy enough to let that happen.
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Om

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Old 21-05-2006, 02:34 PM posted to sci.bio.food-science,sci.chem,rec.gardens.edible
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Radium wrote:
Hi:

I notice that many fruit emit foul odors when ripe. What chemicals are
responisble for this?

I hate those odors. That why I like to eat apricots, peaches, and
similar fruits when they are sour, hard, and greenish. When sour, hard,
and greenish, most fruits smell pleasant. When they are too ripe, they
become excessively sweet, grossly-soft up and turn mucus-yellow; this
is when they start to
STEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEENK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What causes those immeasureably-foul odors?



Could be Ethylene.

From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripen):

"Stages of a plant's life are influenced by hormones. An important plant
hormone involved with ripening is the chemical ethylene, a gas created
by plants from the amino acid methionine. Ethylene causes increased
levels of certain enzymes in fruit, which include:

* Amylase, which breaks down starch to produce simple sugars, and
* Pectinase, which breaks down pectin, a substance that keeps fruit
hard.

Other enzymes break down the lime pigment chlorophyll, which is replaced
by blue, yellow, or red pigments."


This is how some people will ripen tomatoes....by placing a ripe apple
in a paper bag with the unripe tomato. The ethylene emitted by the apple
will ripen the tomato.

From this idea, I figured out how to keep my banana from going black in
a couple days after I buy them. Since they ripen each other (being in
such close proximity), I separate them when I get them home. They can
last a week or more. (More than enough time to consume them).

..
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Old 21-05-2006, 04:08 PM posted to sci.bio.food-science,sci.chem,rec.gardens.edible
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Andy writes:

:Neat trick with the bananas -- I'm going to try it..

Regarding tomatoes, they will ripen by themselves.
I haven't heard of the ripe apple technique, but I'll
try that as well....

I like the smell of ripe bananas. Green bananas are,
well, ...... unripe....

Andy in Eureka, Texas

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cloud dreamer wrote:
Radium wrote:
Hi:

I notice that many fruit emit foul odors when ripe. What chemicals are
responisble for this?

I hate those odors. That why I like to eat apricots, peaches, and
similar fruits when they are sour, hard, and greenish. When sour, hard,
and greenish, most fruits smell pleasant. When they are too ripe, they
become excessively sweet, grossly-soft up and turn mucus-yellow; this
is when they start to
STEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEENK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What causes those immeasureably-foul odors?



Could be Ethylene.


Extremely unlikely.

Quote from http://www.mindfully.org/Plastic/Ethylene-Gas.htm :

"A flammable, colorless, gas with a characteristic sweet odor"

The odor I perceive from over-ripened fruit is very foul. Ever try
smelling a papaya up close? How about a mango that is over-ripened?

http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/CV206 quote:

"Ethylene is a colorless gas with a sweet odor."

So ethylene is most likely not the direct cause of the foul odor.

http://ucce.ucdavis.edu/datastore/de...rveynumber=267
quote:

"Ethylene enhances several processes associated with fruit ripening,
including development of odour-active aroma volatiles (especially
esters)."

Apparently ethylene induces and speeds up the ripening process --
including the processes in which foul ripe odors are produced -- but
does not directly cause the foul odor of over-ripe fruits. It has to be
something else. What is it?

From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripen):

"Stages of a plant's life are influenced by hormones. An important plant
hormone involved with ripening is the chemical ethylene, a gas created
by plants from the amino acid methionine. Ethylene causes increased
levels of certain enzymes in fruit, which include:

* Amylase, which breaks down starch to produce simple sugars, and
* Pectinase, which breaks down pectin, a substance that keeps fruit
hard.

Other enzymes break down the lime pigment chlorophyll, which is replaced
by blue, yellow, or red pigments."


This is how some people will ripen tomatoes....by placing a ripe apple
in a paper bag with the unripe tomato. The ethylene emitted by the apple
will ripen the tomato.

From this idea, I figured out how to keep my banana from going black in
a couple days after I buy them. Since they ripen each other (being in
such close proximity), I separate them when I get them home. They can
last a week or more. (More than enough time to consume them).

..


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Is there going to be a test?

Some things just smell bad - even without a noticable smell. Why do you
think this happens?

Kimberly
smartass gardener who puts all the nearly smelly things in the compost...




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Andy wrote:

Andy writes:

:Neat trick with the bananas -- I'm going to try it..

Regarding tomatoes, they will ripen by themselves.
I haven't heard of the ripe apple technique, but I'll
try that as well....



Yeah, this technique is meant to speed up the ripening.

..



I like the smell of ripe bananas. Green bananas are,
well, ...... unripe....

Andy in Eureka, Texas

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Kimberly wrote:
Is there going to be a test?

Some things just smell bad - even without a noticable smell. Why do you
think this happens?

Kimberly
smartass gardener who puts all the nearly smelly things in the compost...


No offense but READ MY LIPS

WHAT CHEMICALS CAUSE OVER-RIPE FRUITS TO STINK
BADLY????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

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Old 21-05-2006, 07:33 PM posted to sci.bio.food-science,sci.chem,rec.gardens.edible
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In article .com,
"Radium" wrote:

Kimberly wrote:
Is there going to be a test?

Some things just smell bad - even without a noticable smell. Why do you
think this happens?

Kimberly
smartass gardener who puts all the nearly smelly things in the compost...


No offense but READ MY LIPS

WHAT CHEMICALS CAUSE OVER-RIPE FRUITS TO STINK
BADLY?


Why don't you try googling it?

http://tinyurl.com/o5yog

I think most of us thought that this was a troll post. ;-)
That's why you are not getting serious answers.

Hope that link above answers your question.

Cheers!
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Peace!
Om

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Seymour Bigby-Heinz wrote:

It depends upon which rotten fruit you are smelling.


Mangos. BTW, fruits don't have to be rotten in order to smell bad.
Fruits that are just ripe also have a similar odor but maybe less
intense than when they rot.

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Seymour Bigby-Heinz wrote:
On Sun, 21 May 2006 13:33:58 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet
wrote:


I think most of us thought that this was a troll post. ;-)
That's why you are not getting serious answers.


I still think it is a troll post, since there is no indication of what
difference it makes which chemical causes the odor in rotting fruit.


I am interested in what chemicals are responsible for the foul odors
emitted by ripe fruits. Ethylene [which smells sweet] and putresine
[smells like rotting flesh] are clearly not included in the list of
chemicals that cause ripe fruit to stink.

So what are some of the chemicals that cause the stench of ripe fruits.
Most fruits -- be them oranges, peaches, bananas, guavas, papayas,
mangoes, etc. -- have a very similar stench when ripe.

Plus, he wants others to do all of his work.


No. I am looking for assistance. I've done as much searching as I can.

Sy




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