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Bill Rose wrote:

It's disgusting, along with
the greed and every putrid thing about it, the desire for it, the
attachment to it,etc.


You are preachin' to the choir. ;-)


Two things though; (1) remember the Hindenberg (boom!) and, (2) the
First Law of Thermodynamics states that energy cannot be created or
destroyed (beware of little black boxes).

It seems that electric motors fueled by wind, water, Sun (and Earth
bound fusion) and, perhaps conventional, central, power plants where CO2
can be scrubbed from the smoke stack are the answer.

Personally, I don't need to go from 0 mph to 60 mph in 4 sec. So there
may be some adaptations we need to make but I think we can live with
that.

- Bill(y)


I've lived with 4 cylinder engines all my life.

0-60 in 4 seconds?

Why? puzzled look
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Omelet wrote:

In article
,
Bill Rose wrote:

It's disgusting, along with
the greed and every putrid thing about it, the desire for it, the
attachment to it,etc.

You are preachin' to the choir. ;-)


Two things though; (1) remember the Hindenberg (boom!) and, (2) the
First Law of Thermodynamics states that energy cannot be created or
destroyed (beware of little black boxes).

It seems that electric motors fueled by wind, water, Sun (and Earth
bound fusion) and, perhaps conventional, central, power plants where CO2
can be scrubbed from the smoke stack are the answer.

Personally, I don't need to go from 0 mph to 60 mph in 4 sec. So there
may be some adaptations we need to make but I think we can live with
that.

- Bill(y)


I've lived with 4 cylinder engines all my life.

0-60 in 4 seconds?

Why? puzzled look


It's a testosterone thing. Just put it in the pile of boy things that
you've never understood. For the most part, we don't understand them
either.

y(Bill)
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On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 11:09:47 -0700, Bill Rose
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Two things though; (1) remember the Hindenberg (boom!) and, (2) the
First Law of Thermodynamics states that energy cannot be created or
destroyed (beware of little black boxes).

It seems that electric motors fueled by wind, water, Sun (and Earth
bound fusion) and, perhaps conventional, central, power plants where CO2
can be scrubbed from the smoke stack are the answer.

Personally, I don't need to go from 0 mph to 60 mph in 4 sec. So there
may be some adaptations we need to make but I think we can live with
that.

- Bill(y)
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)


I don't remember the Hindenberg boom, but I'm in agreement with the
rest of your statements. We've known about this for fifty years. This
gas "crisis" is such a bunch of bullshit. I read a very funny phrase
in another forum about dubya. If people are sensitive to sexual
ideas, turn away now; someone's tag line was:

I wish somebody would blow him so we could start the impeachment
process.

I found that hysterically profound!

Now, why are the two most popular hybrids made by Japan? The Ford
doesn't live up to the hype, or so I've read. If we really wanted
vehicles which get 100 miles to a gallon of gas, we could do it. We
don't need speed boats.

Maybe coming up with localization is another good way to conserve.
Build communities which have all they need within walking or biking
distance. Especially in places like Texas where land is spread far
and wide...but that too is rapidly changing.

Eh, my knee hurts.
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Bill Rose wrote:

I've lived with 4 cylinder engines all my life.

0-60 in 4 seconds?

Why? puzzled look


It's a testosterone thing. Just put it in the pile of boy things that
you've never understood. For the most part, we don't understand them
either.

y(Bill)


lol ok, if you put it that way... ;-D
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On 6/2/07 6:07 PM, in article
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Rose" wrote:

In article ,
Omelet wrote:

In article
,
Bill Rose wrote:

It's disgusting, along with
the greed and every putrid thing about it, the desire for it, the
attachment to it,etc.

You are preachin' to the choir. ;-)

Two things though; (1) remember the Hindenberg (boom!) and, (2) the
First Law of Thermodynamics states that energy cannot be created or
destroyed (beware of little black boxes).

It seems that electric motors fueled by wind, water, Sun (and Earth
bound fusion) and, perhaps conventional, central, power plants where CO2
can be scrubbed from the smoke stack are the answer.

Personally, I don't need to go from 0 mph to 60 mph in 4 sec. So there
may be some adaptations we need to make but I think we can live with
that.

- Bill(y)


I've lived with 4 cylinder engines all my life.

0-60 in 4 seconds?

Why? puzzled look


It's a testosterone thing. Just put it in the pile of boy things that
you've never understood. For the most part, we don't understand them
either.

y(Bill)
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

It's not all testosterone - I've enjoyed my turns in the big engines/lots of
cylinder cars that have graced friends and family. A gas to drive, but not
everyday. It's sort of like roller coasters. Love them, but not a steady
diet of them.

C



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Cheryl Isaak wrote:

I've lived with 4 cylinder engines all my life.

0-60 in 4 seconds?

Why? puzzled look


It's a testosterone thing. Just put it in the pile of boy things that
you've never understood. For the most part, we don't understand them
either.

y(Bill)
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)


It's not all testosterone - I've enjoyed my turns in the big engines/lots of
cylinder cars that have graced friends and family. A gas to drive, but not
everyday. It's sort of like roller coasters. Love them, but not a steady
diet of them.

C


Ok, I can go along with that. :-)
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In article ,
Cheryl Isaak wrote:

On 6/3/07 9:42 AM, in article
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wrote:

In article ,
Cheryl Isaak wrote:

I've lived with 4 cylinder engines all my life.

0-60 in 4 seconds?

Why? puzzled look

It's a testosterone thing. Just put it in the pile of boy things that
you've never understood. For the most part, we don't understand them
either.

y(Bill)
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

It's not all testosterone - I've enjoyed my turns in the big engines/lots
of
cylinder cars that have graced friends and family. A gas to drive, but not
everyday. It's sort of like roller coasters. Love them, but not a steady
diet of them.

C


Ok, I can go along with that. :-)


I know lots of performance freaks. They all have much better mileage cars
for every day.

Cheryl


I was stunned once (more often than that actually but this was more like
surprised) to meet a Frenchman (in France) who loved his 25 mpg American
car because it had hydraulic valve lifters and required very little
maintenance. In 1990, it cost me $50 to fill my VW van in France. Last
week, it cost me $45.

The thing with driving a sling-shot (and risking the organism) is that
it seems to be an absolute requirement that they clock in at 110
decibels as well. I know about back pressure but these things seem
engineered to say "Hey, look at me". As my BP creeps up, all I see is a
target.

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On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 10:38:07 -0700, Bill Rose
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I was stunned once (more often than that actually but this was more like
surprised) to meet a Frenchman (in France) who loved his 25 mpg American
car because it had hydraulic valve lifters and required very little
maintenance. In 1990, it cost me $50 to fill my VW van in France. Last
week, it cost me $45.


Whaaaat? You are still driving a VW bus?

Ohhhhh.....the sweet memories!

Peace Brother
Charlie
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On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 10:38:07 -0700, Bill Rose
wrote:

I was stunned once (more often than that actually but this was more like
surprised) to meet a Frenchman (in France) who loved his 25 mpg American
car because it had hydraulic valve lifters and required very little
maintenance. In 1990, it cost me $50 to fill my VW van in France. Last
week, it cost me $45.


Whaaaat? You are still driving a VW bus?

Ohhhhh.....the sweet memories!

Peace Brother
Charlie


What can I say? When I work, it is mein schlaftwagon. During lunch I
take my nap. I work until I'm tired (2 P.M. or so) and then I take my
lunch (siesta, 25 min.) and then I'm good for another 6 hr. Why do you
think people have VW vans. Motel rooms on wheels for the first 20 yr.
Crash pads for the next 20 yr.

- Billy
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In 1990, it cost me $50 to fill my VW van in France. Last
week, it cost me $45.


Aaaah. A man with style. We just missed out buying one on the weekend. It
was a beauty. We've been looking for one for months. 1976, in immaculate
condition except that it needed a clutch adjustment. Sadly not to be.


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well.... we have one sports car, one gas efficient mazda and a trailer for when we
need to haul stuff instead of an SUV or van. we moved into the city and DH is now 1
mile from work, I am 5 miles. no more big commutes. we shop locally and I mostly
buy online so there arent a lot of shopping trips. we dont do "car" vacations and
long trips. our gasoline needs have really dropped. Ingrid

Omelet wrote:
They would if we could (somehow) quit buying gasoline,
but how many of us can do that?




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In 1990, it cost me $50 to fill my VW van in France. Last
week, it cost me $45.


Aaaah. A man with style. We just missed out buying one on the weekend. It
was a beauty. We've been looking for one for months. 1976, in immaculate
condition except that it needed a clutch adjustment. Sadly not to be.


Thanks for the kind words. I've always heard that those air cooled vans
had lots of problems. Not so? I've had lots of interests in my life but
cars were never one of them, until it broke.

The Westphalia was always my favorite. A person was always ready for a
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