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Forgot to mention another neglected valuable plant. Bamboo.

A neat book!

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ynljd5

Bill


Nice. ;-)

Have you read any of Stamets books on Edible mushroom cultivation?
Oyster mushrooms seem to be one of the easiest and most versatile:

http://www2.mailordercentral.com/fun...=MGGM&VARIATIO
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Not many people know that Industrial Hemp is NOT the same thing as
recreational pot. Nowhere near. Anyone that has bothered to do the
research would know that.


I hear that the sin of eating meat on Fridays is comparable to the sin
of adultery. Having tried both, I can't see the comparison;-)

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Read up on this. There are many titles out there on the subject (full
disclosu one of which I edited) which paint a dismaying picture of
how Big Oil/Auto and Puritanical racists many decades ago managed to
push through legislation confabulating industrial hemp with marijuana.

Persephone


Seems as if the Chinese understand this.

Charlie


Nobody ever said that the American ruling class was very bright...
and they are also greedy.

As much as I love Capitalism, it can have it's drawbacks.

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William Wagner wrote:

Forgot to mention another neglected valuable plant. Bamboo.

A neat book!

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ynljd5

Bill


Nice. ;-)

Have you read any of Stamets books on Edible mushroom cultivation?
Oyster mushrooms seem to be one of the easiest and most versatile:

http://www2.mailordercentral.com/fun...=MGGM&VARIATIO
N=&AITEM=1&MITEM=1


No I haven't but Thanks to you I'll check it out.

Currently our local brown caps are beginning to appear after a warm
rain. I'm located in a wild mushroom oak forest with high ground water.
Would be perfect for wandering about in but our local deer ticks are
the worse I've ever seen. Most years a bit or two a season. I've had 8
in the last week with another 8 weeks to go. Nasty little guys. My dad
two houses away started antibiotics for Lyme's a week ago.


Bill

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William Wagner wrote:

In article ,
Omelet wrote:

In article

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William Wagner wrote:

Forgot to mention another neglected valuable plant. Bamboo.

A neat book!

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ynljd5

Bill


Nice. ;-)

Have you read any of Stamets books on Edible mushroom cultivation?
Oyster mushrooms seem to be one of the easiest and most versatile:

http://www2.mailordercentral.com/fun...=MGGM&VARIATIO
N=&AITEM=1&MITEM=1


No I haven't but Thanks to you I'll check it out.


The man is a genius. :-)
And that site also sells some nice indoor and outdoor cultivation kits
(and wood plugs) for affordable prices. Best way in the world to get rid
of stumps, and eat well while you are at it. G

And no, I have no association with that site. I'm just a real fan of his
writings and philosophies.


Currently our local brown caps are beginning to appear after a warm
rain. I'm located in a wild mushroom oak forest with high ground water.
Would be perfect for wandering about in but our local deer ticks are
the worse I've ever seen. Most years a bit or two a season. I've had 8
in the last week with another 8 weeks to go. Nasty little guys. My dad
two houses away started antibiotics for Lyme's a week ago.


Bill


Bummer. :-(

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On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:40:23 -0500, Omelet
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Nobody ever said that the American ruling class was very bright...
and they are also greedy.


It would appear they are bright enough to lead most dumb americans
around by the nose and shove anything they want up their arses.


Only 51%. (Last prexy election)


As much as I love Capitalism, it can have it's drawbacks.


Drawbacks? Gimme a break. We are no longer operating under a
capitalist system. We've been drawn right into fascism.


That's not entirely accurate...


There is no sugar-coating the bitter pill we are being forced to
swallow.

Churlie Charlie


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Omelet wrote:

In article , Charlie wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:40:23 -0500, Omelet
wrote:


Nobody ever said that the American ruling class was very bright...
and they are also greedy.


It would appear they are bright enough to lead most dumb americans
around by the nose and shove anything they want up their arses.


Only 51%. (Last prexy election)

Probably less than that if you count the hachet job done by the Bushies
on the electorial system in Ohio.


As much as I love Capitalism, it can have it's drawbacks.


Drawbacks? Gimme a break. We are no longer operating under a
capitalist system. We've been drawn right into fascism.


That's not entirely accurate...

Well, yes and no. Since Woodrow Wilson started the Committee on Public
Information with participants like Walter Lippman and Edward Bernays,
the truth has become more malleable and willing to please. Edward
Bernays referred to their work as " the engineering of consent . . .
the very essence of the democratic process" (Hegemony or Survival by
Noam Chomsky, p. 8). So we live in a society that we think is free
because we've been told it is free. Yesterday on the Tom Leher News Hour
there was a discussion about what the present conflict between Hamas and
Fatah meant. Unless you follow the middle east, you may not have
realized that both of the experts presented were Fatah advisors. And so
it goes. This is a discussion?

No, we are ALREADY in the Matrix.


There is no sugar-coating the bitter pill we are being forced to
swallow.


Don't sweat it Charlie, Gary Powers didn't swallow his either.


Churlie Charlie


Indeed.

Many good burgers, with no malice in their hearts, are trying to make
sense of the world with the information that they have. If you want
better information, avoid the corporate news. Listen to Democracy Now or
find a Pacifica Radio station. Read a book by Noam Chomsky or Greg
Palast.

This entire gutting of the Constitution has taken place right in front
of us and the White House asks, "Who are you going to believe, the
President or your own lying eyes?"

To summarize, " the engineering of consent . (is) . the very essence of
the democratic process" - Edward Bernays, Committee on Public Information

To quote Will Rogers, "All I know, is what I read in the newspapers."

Can I hear a few pots please?

- Billy
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In article
,
Billy Rose wrote:

In article ,
Omelet wrote:

In article , Charlie wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:40:23 -0500, Omelet
wrote:


Nobody ever said that the American ruling class was very bright...
and they are also greedy.

It would appear they are bright enough to lead most dumb americans
around by the nose and shove anything they want up their arses.


Only 51%. (Last prexy election)

Probably less than that if you count the hachet job done by the Bushies
on the electorial system in Ohio.


But add the 3% of the fools that voted other parties.
That 3% could have swung the election if they'd voted Democrat.

As much as I love Capitalism, it can have it's drawbacks.

Drawbacks? Gimme a break. We are no longer operating under a
capitalist system. We've been drawn right into fascism.


That's not entirely accurate...


Well, yes and no. Since Woodrow Wilson started the Committee on Public
Information with participants like Walter Lippman and Edward Bernays,
the truth has become more malleable and willing to please. Edward
Bernays referred to their work as " the engineering of consent . . .
the very essence of the democratic process" (Hegemony or Survival by
Noam Chomsky, p. 8). So we live in a society that we think is free
because we've been told it is free. Yesterday on the Tom Leher News Hour
there was a discussion about what the present conflict between Hamas and
Fatah meant. Unless you follow the middle east, you may not have
realized that both of the experts presented were Fatah advisors. And so
it goes. This is a discussion?

No, we are ALREADY in the Matrix.


lol I'm always up for a good debate!
IMHO we are swinging away from the original Republic to almost a true
Democracy and this is not a good thing.

As much as I love Capitalism (because it benefits anyone willing to work
hard enough), it can reach a point of no return where he who has the
gold makes ALL the rules...

and gods help the rest of us.



There is no sugar-coating the bitter pill we are being forced to
swallow.


Don't sweat it Charlie, Gary Powers didn't swallow his either.


Take the Red pill. ;-)



Churlie Charlie


Indeed.


Many good burgers, with no malice in their hearts, are trying to make
sense of the world with the information that they have. If you want
better information, avoid the corporate news. Listen to Democracy Now or
find a Pacifica Radio station. Read a book by Noam Chomsky or Greg
Palast.


I never watch TV anymore except for the weather channel, and the
occasional Basketball game (GO SPURS!!! G)

I listen mostly to NPR (BBC) and WOAI San Antonio.

I also get a lot of news off the 'net and subscribe to the New York
Times via e-mail.

TV? USELESS!


This entire gutting of the Constitution has taken place right in front
of us and the White House asks, "Who are you going to believe, the
President or your own lying eyes?"


I know. :-(

But the Sheeople follow. Or is that Lemmings?


To summarize, " the engineering of consent . (is) . the very essence of
the democratic process" - Edward Bernays, Committee on Public Information

To quote Will Rogers, "All I know, is what I read in the newspapers."

Can I hear a few pots please?

- Billy
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)


Heh! At least "pots" is on topic!

Speaking of which, due to certain circumstances (mainly health issues
and finances), I've ended up putting off really planting any veggies
this year. I'd still like to do a few tomatoes.

Because of the Expense of water, I'd prefer to do container planting. I
have a couple of MONSTER plastic pots (okay, they are about 10 gallons I
guestimate) so I'd like to try them in those.

Can I put, say, 2 per pot and is it too late in the year for me to mess
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In article
,
Billy Rose wrote:

In article ,
Omelet wrote:

In article , Charlie wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:40:23 -0500, Omelet
wrote:


Nobody ever said that the American ruling class was very bright...
and they are also greedy.

It would appear they are bright enough to lead most dumb americans
around by the nose and shove anything they want up their arses.


Only 51%. (Last prexy election)

Probably less than that if you count the hachet job done by the Bushies
on the electorial system in Ohio.


As much as I love Capitalism, it can have it's drawbacks.

Drawbacks? Gimme a break. We are no longer operating under a
capitalist system. We've been drawn right into fascism.


That's not entirely accurate...

Well, yes and no. Since Woodrow Wilson started the Committee on Public
Information with participants like Walter Lippman and Edward Bernays,
the truth has become more malleable and willing to please. Edward
Bernays referred to their work as " the engineering of consent . . .
the very essence of the democratic process" (Hegemony or Survival by
Noam Chomsky, p. 8). So we live in a society that we think is free
because we've been told it is free. Yesterday on the Tom Leher News Hour
there was a discussion about what the present conflict between Hamas and
Fatah meant. Unless you follow the middle east, you may not have
realized that both of the experts presented were Fatah advisors. And so
it goes. This is a discussion?

No, we are ALREADY in the Matrix.


There is no sugar-coating the bitter pill we are being forced to
swallow.


Don't sweat it Charlie, Gary Powers didn't swallow his either.


Churlie Charlie


Indeed.

Many good burgers, with no malice in their hearts, are trying to make
sense of the world with the information that they have. If you want
better information, avoid the corporate news. Listen to Democracy Now or
find a Pacifica Radio station. Read a book by Noam Chomsky or Greg
Palast.

This entire gutting of the Constitution has taken place right in front
of us and the White House asks, "Who are you going to believe, the
President or your own lying eyes?"

To summarize, " the engineering of consent . (is) . the very essence of
the democratic process" - Edward Bernays, Committee on Public Information

To quote Will Rogers, "All I know, is what I read in the newspapers."

Can I hear a few pots please?

- Billy
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)


Manufacturing Consent Herman and Chomsky

All Consuming IMAGES Stuart Ewen

Anvil of the Heart Bruce T. Holmes

The Poverty Of Affluence Paul L. Wachtel

Amusing Ourselves to Death Neil Postman

The Age of Missing Information Bill McKibben

The Third City Borna Bebek

Wallace Stevens The Poems of our Climate Harold Bloom

The Social Vision of William Blake Michael Ferber

The Gay Genius Lin Yutang


And on and on do you really want to read all this stuff? I just try
to keep our family whole. Usually by getting out of the way and being
here. Personal interaction at the market seem to bloom by the simple
act of yielding. Not having my way whatever that is avoids conflict.
Scaling it up however international voids me as I can only deal with
things I perceive. I've enough .

Blake and Wallace and Su Tungpo are personal inspiration. ( Keep
Spirt in) ).

Balzac Sin is wanting to know every thing.

Now back to those morning glories.

Bill who plays push hands poorly.

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Only 51%. (Last prexy election)
Probably less than that if you count the hachet job done by the Bushies
on the electorial system in Ohio.


But add the 3% of the fools that voted other parties.
That 3% could have swung the election if they'd voted Democrat.


I guess that makes me a fool.


Please don't take that personally...
I actually hate the dominant 2 party system, but I don't believe that it
can be beaten at this time.

Unfortunately.

Ron Paul knows this as even tho' he is really Libertarian, he runs as
Republican so he has a real chance at getting elected.

The American people don't appear to be ready for a real change yet as a
majority.

I'd love to be an idealist, but realists seem to do better.


Yer foolin' yerself if you think that voting dem or rep is actually
making a choice. Look what happened in the midterms....friggin' dems
sold out just like I knew they would. We need a whole schload of
Bernie Sanders types being elected. The two party system is a joke,
another myth which folks swallow.


Yer preachin' to the choir babe!
But, see the above. You have to deal with the majority.

The Sheeople.

Idealism won't work yet. Not without a LOT more work, or perhaps
improvement of the gene pool.

No, we are ALREADY in the Matrix.


lol I'm always up for a good debate!
IMHO we are swinging away from the original Republic to almost a true
Democracy and this is not a good thing.


Yeah....rigged elections are the sign of a true democracy. Can you say
corporatocracy. But I agree that wherever we are, it is not a good
place.


We are open to suggestions.


As much as I love Capitalism (because it benefits anyone willing to work
hard enough), it can reach a point of no return where he who has the
gold makes ALL the rules...

and gods help the rest of us.


True, but the incentive for willingness to work hard enough has been
shipped overseas. Pensions gutted, health care/insurance situation
abysmal

It has reached the point of no return.


sigh

Potential Socialism provides NO incentives.
That's why they all eventually die in misery and poverty.

We all need that carrot on a stick to advance ourselves.

We need hope for advancement. That is human nature.

Otherwise, we tend to do just enough to get by.

My health care insurance this year just went to hell. If I don't mail
order my prescriptions, they won't pay for beyond the first month.
Fortunately the state is trying to introduce legislation to outlaw that.

They also refused to pay the $70.00 for my pap smear.

Guess they'd rather pay for cervical cancer treatment...

Idiots!

Can I put, say, 2 per pot and is it too late in the year for me to mess
with this? Should I wait until September?


I don't understand the waiting til Sept. You in the southern
hemisphere?


It has to do with light cycles.
Tomatoes will not "set" fruit if the light and dark timing are not right.
I live in South Central Texas so we don't generally get a frost until
late November.


You bet you can put two per pot. It just takes more nutrient
supplementation. I grow several pots of tomatoes. Peppers do great in
pots as well. I plant two peppers per five gallon size post and have
good yields.

Charlie


Peppers don't get as big as 'maters. ;-)

How big are your pots and what variety of tomato do you use?

What nutrient supplements?
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William Wagner wrote:

In article
,
Billy Rose wrote:

In article ,
Omelet wrote:

In article , Charlie wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:40:23 -0500, Omelet
wrote:


Nobody ever said that the American ruling class was very bright...
and they are also greedy.

It would appear they are bright enough to lead most dumb americans
around by the nose and shove anything they want up their arses.

Only 51%. (Last prexy election)

Probably less than that if you count the hachet job done by the Bushies
on the electorial system in Ohio.


As much as I love Capitalism, it can have it's drawbacks.

Drawbacks? Gimme a break. We are no longer operating under a
capitalist system. We've been drawn right into fascism.

That's not entirely accurate...

Well, yes and no. Since Woodrow Wilson started the Committee on Public
Information with participants like Walter Lippman and Edward Bernays,
the truth has become more malleable and willing to please. Edward
Bernays referred to their work as " the engineering of consent . . .
the very essence of the democratic process" (Hegemony or Survival by
Noam Chomsky, p. 8). So we live in a society that we think is free
because we've been told it is free. Yesterday on the Tom Leher News Hour
there was a discussion about what the present conflict between Hamas and
Fatah meant. Unless you follow the middle east, you may not have
realized that both of the experts presented were Fatah advisors. And so
it goes. This is a discussion?

No, we are ALREADY in the Matrix.


There is no sugar-coating the bitter pill we are being forced to
swallow.


Don't sweat it Charlie, Gary Powers didn't swallow his either.


Churlie Charlie

Indeed.

Many good burgers, with no malice in their hearts, are trying to make
sense of the world with the information that they have. If you want
better information, avoid the corporate news. Listen to Democracy Now or
find a Pacifica Radio station. Read a book by Noam Chomsky or Greg
Palast.

This entire gutting of the Constitution has taken place right in front
of us and the White House asks, "Who are you going to believe, the
President or your own lying eyes?"

To summarize, " the engineering of consent . (is) . the very essence of
the democratic process" - Edward Bernays, Committee on Public Information

To quote Will Rogers, "All I know, is what I read in the newspapers."

Can I hear a few pots please?

- Billy
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)


Manufacturing Consent Herman and Chomsky

All Consuming IMAGES Stuart Ewen

Anvil of the Heart Bruce T. Holmes

The Poverty Of Affluence Paul L. Wachtel

Amusing Ourselves to Death Neil Postman

The Age of Missing Information Bill McKibben

The Third City Borna Bebek

Wallace Stevens The Poems of our Climate Harold Bloom

The Social Vision of William Blake Michael Ferber

The Gay Genius Lin Yutang


And on and on do you really want to read all this stuff? I just try
to keep our family whole. Usually by getting out of the way and being
here. Personal interaction at the market seem to bloom by the simple
act of yielding. Not having my way whatever that is avoids conflict.
Scaling it up however international voids me as I can only deal with
things I perceive. I've enough .

Blake and Wallace and Su Tungpo are personal inspiration. ( Keep
Spirt in) ).

Balzac Sin is wanting to know every thing.

Now back to those morning glories.

Bill who plays push hands poorly.


Not much **** and vinegar today, huh, Bill? Sounds like you've gone
reflective on us. That's all well and good because it is all about being
individuals and not a commodity. But India would still be a colony of
England, if they hadn't resisted. People with dark colored skin would
still be slaves but for the struggle. Rafael Lemkin wanted to avoid it
too but it was dumped at his door. All sane men want to stay home with
their families and watch them grow. Insane men will find reasons for
them to die for glory.

And it all starts when someone pushes back.

Say, "hi" to the morning glories for me.

Maybe sticky hands would be a better match for you.

Kyungye, shue.

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I never watch TV anymore except for the weather channel, and the
occasional Basketball game (GO SPURS!!! G)


I listen mostly to NPR (BBC) and WOAI San Antonio.

Here NPR is supported by Archer Daniel Midlands. They don't bite the
hand that feeds them. I've already ****ed and moaned about The Lehrer
News Hour. BBC can be good. Can be shoddy. No way to get KPFT 90.1 out
of Houston? Try on line at http://houston.kpft.org/site/PageServer for
free speech news and Democracy Now.

I also get a lot of news off the 'net and subscribe to the New York
Times via e-mail.

Of Judith Miller fame? In depth, inaccurate news.


In article , Charlie wrote:

Only 51%. (Last prexy election)
Probably less than that if you count the hachet job done by the Bushies
on the electorial system in Ohio.

But add the 3% of the fools that voted other parties.
That 3% could have swung the election if they'd voted Democrat.


I guess that makes me a fool.


Please don't take that personally...
I actually hate the dominant 2 party system, but I don't believe that it
can be beaten at this time.

Amen, brothers and sisters.

Unfortunately.

Ron Paul knows this as even tho' he is really Libertarian, he runs as
Republican so he has a real chance at getting elected.

The American people don't appear to be ready for a real change yet as a
majority.

I'd love to be an idealist, but realists seem to do better.


Yer foolin' yerself if you think that voting dem or rep is actually
making a choice. Look what happened in the midterms....friggin' dems
sold out just like I knew they would. We need a whole schload of
Bernie Sanders types being elected. The two party system is a joke,
another myth which folks swallow.

That was a pretty easy one to see, wasn't it Charlie?

Yer preachin' to the choir babe!
But, see the above. You have to deal with the majority.

The Sheeople.

Idealism won't work yet. Not without a LOT more work, or perhaps
improvement of the gene pool.

No, we are ALREADY in the Matrix.

lol I'm always up for a good debate!
IMHO we are swinging away from the original Republic to almost a true
Democracy and this is not a good thing.

I don't understand you unless you are talking about Pure Idealized
Republicanism where the representatives represent the people's needs and
desires or pure Democracy (à la Athens, circa 594 BC?) where everyone
votes on everything. The former has never existed and the latter only
exists, at present, in Switzerland.

Yeah....rigged elections are the sign of a true democracy. Can you say
corporatocracy. But I agree that wherever we are, it is not a good
place.


We are open to suggestions.

In the primaries I vote Kucinich. In the general election I vote the
"Greens" or whatever. At least it gets the opposition some operating
money to mount an anti-status quo response.


As much as I love Capitalism (because it benefits anyone willing to work
hard enough), it can reach a point of no return where he who has the
gold makes ALL the rules...

Really don't follow you here. Leads us back to feudalism. More of a
Jeffersonian myself, but without the slaves.

and gods help the rest of us.


True, but the incentive for willingness to work hard enough has been
shipped overseas. Pensions gutted, health care/insurance situation
abysmal

Because we let it happen and now the socialist countries of Europe feel
pressure to reduce their social safety-nets and race us to the bottom of
the barrel.

It has reached the point of no return.


sigh

Potential Socialism provides NO incentives.
That's why they all eventually die in misery and poverty.

We all need that carrot on a stick to advance ourselves.

Max Weber saw how this was used by the capitalists in his book, "The
Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism". According to the early
protestants (Calvinists) we aren't here to be happy but if your work is
successful, then you are among the chosen. The factory owner is chose by
God and you, poor miserable child, are a creature of original sin. It
kinda turns things upside down.

We need hope for advancement. That is human nature.

Otherwise, we tend to do just enough to get by.

Yeah, so? Where you going? The one with the most toys when they die,
wins?

My health care insurance this year just went to hell. If I don't mail
order my prescriptions, they won't pay for beyond the first month.
Fortunately the state is trying to introduce legislation to outlaw that.

They also refused to pay the $70.00 for my pap smear.

Guess they'd rather pay for cervical cancer treatment...

Idiots!

Jeez. If it is pre-cancerous, sell the farm if you have too. Do what you
need to do but don't wait. Radiation and chemo will lay you up and you
won't be able to work. (I presume you have to work, otherwise forget I
said anything.) It might be cheaper to go to Cuba or India for
treatment. Check the list. There are 36 countries in the world that have
better health care than we do. Health travel is a booming industry.

Can I put, say, 2 per pot and is it too late in the year for me to mess
with this? Should I wait until September?


I don't understand the waiting til Sept. You in the southern
hemisphere?


It has to do with light cycles.
Tomatoes will not "set" fruit if the light and dark timing are not right.
I live in South Central Texas so we don't generally get a frost until
late November.


Shortest I've seen on tomatoes is 65 days. If necessary, try augmenting
with shop lights.


You bet you can put two per pot. It just takes more nutrient
supplementation. I grow several pots of tomatoes. Peppers do great in
pots as well. I plant two peppers per five gallon size post and have
good yields.

Charlie


Peppers don't get as big as 'maters. ;-)

How big are your pots and what variety of tomato do you use?

What nutrient supplements?


Hugs and Kisses
- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)


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