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I'm interested in garden record-keeping software - freeware or reasonably-priced shareware. I've downloaded the following two programs and will be trying them out over the weekend: Seedplanner - http://www.seedplanner.com MyGardenJournal - http://www.mygardenjournal.com Does anyone use either of these, and have comments to make? Alternately, does anyone have recommendations for other programs? Thanks. Pat Meadows -- Pat Meadows CLICK DAILY TO FEED THE HUNGRY United States: http://www.stopthehunger.com/ International: http://www.thehungersite.com/ |
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"Pat Meadows" wrote in message ... I'm interested in garden record-keeping software - freeware or reasonably-priced shareware. I've downloaded the following two programs and will be trying them out over the weekend: Seedplanner - http://www.seedplanner.com MyGardenJournal - http://www.mygardenjournal.com Does anyone use either of these, and have comments to make? Alternately, does anyone have recommendations for other programs? Might I suggest a pencil and notebook for your garden record keeping? You can carry it around with you. Windows won't cause it to crash and you will be much healthier if you get up from the computer and go out where the garden is. -- 73 de Bob NS9G |
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Might I suggest a pencil and notebook for your garden record keeping? You
can carry it around with you. Exactly! /z. |
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On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 13:06:45 GMT, "NS9G"
wrote: Might I suggest a pencil and notebook for your garden record keeping? You can carry it around with you. Windows won't cause it to crash and you will be much healthier if you get up from the computer and go out where the garden is. Oddly enough, I am aware of the uses of pencil and paper. I prefer the increased functionality of a software program which is why I asked (specifically) about a program... [I know it's not cool to announce that you're plonking someone but very, very occasionally I just cannot resist...] Into my twit-file you go... I imagine you'll enjoy the company of others there with a similar bent of mind. Pat -- Pat Meadows CLICK DAILY TO FEED THE HUNGRY United States: http://www.stopthehunger.com/ International: http://www.thehungersite.com/ |
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On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 19:05:38 +1300, Kelvyn
wrote: In article, says... why? I found freeware download called 'monsoon' but lost the address....will look for it again....or you could try 'google' search under 'garden journals' etc kelvyn. Kelvyn, thanks. I found it too, but the link to download it is broken. I even approached it from several different websites and always wound up with an unrelated site. My husband looked at it too (to be sure I wasn't making some mistake) and it's just not there..... I did eventually find two shareware programs and downloaded them for evaluation purposes: http://www.mygardenjournal.com http://www.seedplanner.com I played with SeedPlanner enough to know that it will do the job I want done (it's an impressive program, IMHO), and have now registered it ($30) and am awaiting my 'key' to unlock it (the evaluation version doesn't have full functionality). I *may* treat myself to MyGardenJournal also, it's a nice little program - the two programs do different things and are complementary. MyGardenJournal has a 30-day evaluation period with full functionality, so I'll have a while to see if I want it enough to justify the modest cost ($20). Cheers, Pat -- Pat Meadows In one of the colder areas of Zone 5. |
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On 22 Feb 2003 03:05:02 GMT, (Zphysics1)
wrote: why? Why what? Pat -- Pat Meadows In one of the colder areas of Zone 5. |
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"Pat Meadows" wrote in message ... On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 13:06:45 GMT, "NS9G" wrote: Might I suggest a pencil and notebook for your garden record keeping? You can carry it around with you. Windows won't cause it to crash and you will be much healthier if you get up from the computer and go out where the garden is. Oddly enough, I am aware of the uses of pencil and paper. I prefer the increased functionality of a software program which is why I asked (specifically) about a program... [I know it's not cool to announce that you're plonking someone but very, very occasionally I just cannot resist...] Into my twit-file you go... I imagine you'll enjoy the company of others there with a similar bent of mind. Pat -- Pat Meadows If I had realized what a nice person you are I wouldn't have bothered replying in the first place. But, since we are here, would someone please explain why a computer is more functional than a pencil and notebook. Is a computer more dependable? Is a computer more accurate? Is a computer less expensive? Is a computer doing any actual gardening? Is a notebook likely to crash and destroy all your records? I think perhaps the effort to meld two entirely different hobbies might prove counterproductive. -- 73 de Bob NS9G |
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"NS9G" wrote:
"Pat Meadows" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 13:06:45 GMT, "NS9G" wrote: Might I suggest a pencil and notebook for your garden record keeping? You can carry it around with you. Windows won't cause it to crash and you will be much healthier if you get up from the computer and go out where the garden is. Oddly enough, I am aware of the uses of pencil and paper. I prefer the increased functionality of a software program which is why I asked (specifically) about a program... [I know it's not cool to announce that you're plonking someone but very, very occasionally I just cannot resist...] Into my twit-file you go... I imagine you'll enjoy the company of others there with a similar bent of mind. Pat -- Pat Meadows If I had realized what a nice person you are I wouldn't have bothered replying in the first place. But, since we are here, would someone please explain why a computer is more functional than a pencil and notebook. Is a computer more dependable? A notebook is much easier to loose than a computer. The dog is not apt to chew up or bury the computer. Is a computer more accurate? GIGO for either one. Is a computer less expensive? If you already won a computer and have to buy a notebook and pencil. Is a computer doing any actual gardening? Have you got a notebook that weeds the garden? Would love to have one of those. Is a notebook likely to crash and destroy all your records? See answer to the first question. BTW, never heard of backup. I think perhaps the effort to meld two entirely different hobbies might prove counterproductive. -- Susan N. --------------------------------------------- Click this site daily to help fund mammograms for women who cannot afford them. http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/ |
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The post advocating computer gardening software would have a very distinct
advantage over the pencil and paper method in my opinion. With a computer, one can plot the numerous charts and graphs with perfect symmetry with many more colors than practically available using colored pencils, crayons and magic markers. The entire industry evolves around all the ridiculous, simple-minded computer generated worthless and non-productive, totally wasteful paper trails so why shouldn't some intelligent computer savvy individual with the first attempt at gardening incorporate this to gardening also? Imagine how impressive it would be to show the various differently colored charts and graphs to another gardener that had only a sheet of paper using a graphite pencil. Why does everyone seem to be so hesitant to incorporate the latest readily available technology? |
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On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 16:22:46 GMT, "NS9G" wrote in
rec.gardens.edible: If I had realized what a nice person you are I wouldn't have bothered replying in the first place. But, since we are here, would someone please explain why a computer is more functional than a pencil and notebook. Is a computer more dependable? Is a computer more accurate? Is a computer less expensive? Is a computer doing any actual gardening? Is a notebook likely to crash and destroy all your records? I think perhaps the effort to meld two entirely different hobbies might prove counterproductive. Computers are more than a hobby to me. I know few people have my circumstances, but... This is not a flame; I am merely answering your question. I have multiple sclerosis and am in a wheelchair because my legs don't work. Fine muscle control in my right hand is gone (I am right handed), so I have great difficulty writing and writing legibly is impossible with my left hand. The only ways I have of keeping records a 1) have someone write for me or 2) use the computer to make my notes. My point is that you have no idea why someone asks a particular question on usenet unless they care to add the reason with the question. If you know the answer to the question then why not give it else remain silent? Computers have two purposes: 1) number crunching 2) the rapid storage and retrieval of information. They have the added benefit of storing the information in a compact, readily accessible area as well as making the information easy to find. Why should someone not use their computer for record keeping of their garden? You did ask. And for those who are curious but too shy to ask: my vegetable gardens (two) are in long, narrow beds; raised about two feet with patio stones around them making everything accessible to me from the wheelchair. -- From: watchman ) [Now ] Newsgroups: alt.support.thyroid Date: 2002-01-12 15:56:30 PST "Look lady .. if you don't know what you are talking about 'medically' .. then stay out of it .. The man has had three miscarriages/spontaneous abortions." |
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On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 16:22:46 GMT, "NS9G"
wrote: If I had realized what a nice person you are I wouldn't have bothered replying in the first place. Nice person, me? It was *you* who gave me a snotty, smart-ass answer to a legitimate and polite question. If you want to play nice, I am happy enough to do that. But, since we are here, would someone please explain why a computer is more functional than a pencil and notebook. Is a computer more dependable? Is a computer more accurate? Is a computer less expensive? Is a computer doing any actual gardening? Is a notebook likely to crash and destroy all your records? I think perhaps the effort to meld two entirely different hobbies might prove counterproductive. Well, the fact that there are programs specifically written for this purpose would tend to disprove your thoughts here. For the records I wish to keep, the use of a software program will enable me to cut the time required for record- keeping down by about 90%. I start my own seeds. This year I will be starting 60 or more types of seeds, many with succession plantings. I can make a timetable for each planting - figuring back from the last frost date - and for each subsequent planting. Maybe we're talking 300 plantings of seeds in all. I'll start lettuce seeds, for example, each week for about four months. This is a fairly massive job done by hand. It will be a cinch with SeedPlanner (the program I just bought). There is other information I will record: I'd like to record how each variety grew for me, whether it's worth growing again, what the yield was, if it had any particular problems I might be able to head off the next time I try it, whether I liked it or not. For example, I'm trying five varieties of Chinese cabbage this year - there's no way I'll remember the differences between them in future years if I don't record it somehow. There is nothing at all that any computer can do that I cannot do - given enough time - with a pencil, paper, and calculator. (A lifetime of time might be required, though.) But I prefer to spend my time in more productive ways than (SLOWLY) doing the things a software program can do in a matter of seconds. Maybe it would take me 40 hours of actual work or thereabouts to come up with a complete garden plan for this year manually. I will be able to do it using SeedPlanner.com in about two hours. I also don't enjoy doing the same thing manually over and over again for ... say....60 or 70 times. It's only interesting on the first repetition. Then it's sheer slogging through boring work. The computer will relieve me of this boring repetitive stuff. Pat -- Pat Meadows CLICK DAILY TO FEED THE HUNGRY United States: http://www.stopthehunger.com/ International: http://www.thehungersite.com/ |
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On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 17:09:41 GMT, "Andy N"
wrote: The post advocating computer gardening software would have a very distinct advantage over the pencil and paper method in my opinion. With a computer, one can plot the numerous charts and graphs with perfect symmetry with many more colors than practically available using colored pencils, crayons and magic markers. The entire industry evolves around all the ridiculous, simple-minded computer generated worthless and non-productive, totally wasteful paper trails so why shouldn't some intelligent computer savvy individual with the first attempt at gardening incorporate this to gardening also? In this particular case, it's far from my first attempt at gardening. I've been gardening for about 30 years. But this year, I decided that I wish to have the ease and functionality of using a program specifically designed for the purpose of keeping gardening records. I want the time-saving it will give me, as well as the increased functionality. My time and energy are limited by health problems, and I don't enjoy doing the same task over and over again manually in any case. Imagine how impressive it would be to show the various differently colored charts and graphs to another gardener that had only a sheet of paper using a graphite pencil. I'll likely not be showing them to anyone, but I'll enjoy them myself! Why does everyone seem to be so hesitant to incorporate the latest readily available technology? I don't know. I don't share that syndrome. :) Pat -- Pat Meadows CLICK DAILY TO FEED THE HUNGRY United States: http://www.stopthehunger.com/ International: http://www.thehungersite.com/ |
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I can appreciate the frustration you are apparently experiencing regarding
your post about gardening software. I had an earlier post asking the advice of gardeners from this supposedly gardening newsgroup about at what stage of maturity to harvest peas to be used as a dish instead of just eating them out-of-the-garden raw. All I got for responses was to harvest them when I decide to harvest them and another post explaining how I should grow (snow peas) instead of (shelling peas) because that is what he grew. My earlier post about gardening software was to see how you would respond to it and maybe you can with your influence, get this gardening group to concentrate on matters regarding to gardening instead of the war on Iraq etc. I have been gardening for more than 50 years, the first 10 being totally involuntary. Additionally my mention of you being a computer savvy first time gardener was not specifically intended for you and that is why it was posted as a (group reply). |
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why? Why what? Pat -- Pat Meadows ----- I have been an avid gardener since childhood. I am also very much of a tekkie. That being said, I think a good scrapbook, leaves pressed on pages, of favorites, etc. would make a great gardening record. Technology, to me, takes away the charm of keeping a garden record. The charm is in the gardening process -- not in the technology. But that's me. ../z. |
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On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:12:32 +1300, Kelvyn
wrote: In article, says... On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 19:05:38 +1300, Kelvyn wrote: Pat, Sorry you could not get to the 'monsoon' download website, perhaps if i can find it i could email it to you. It had one feature which i liked....an option to draw/design a garden (guess you can do this with MSpaint, but i dont know how!!) I often forget exactly from one season to the next exactly where things were planted. I have also got the evaluation copy of my garden journal and like it very much. However ,i live in new zealand and the exchange rate with the $US makes shareware very expensive. I think Monsoon is gone, dead. But if anyone *is* able to find the site, please do it post it here or email it to me. Thanks. Pat -- Pat Meadows CLICK DAILY TO FEED THE HUNGRY United States: http://www.stopthehunger.com/ International: http://www.thehungersite.com/ |
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I'm interested in garden record-keeping software - freeware
or reasonably-priced shareware. Windows Notepad. The F5 key inserts date and time and then you just type free text. Free with Windows Steve Harris - Cheltenham - Real address steve AT netservs DOT com |
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Pat Meadows wrote:
Yet another joker. :( Hey, it's stuff like this that keeps my killfile from being boring. He posted the same response again. I'm not that battle-scarred, unless writing a printer "wedge" to insert CRLF delays on a VIC-20 counts. Depending on what you want to track, Excel works pretty well. I keep a yearly garlic ledger in a spreadsheet so I can follow yields, survival, etc. shameless plug To be found on my personal web page, in the .sig below. Warning: Only OCD types need look. /shameless plug As for your original question, pretty much lost in Usenet bit rot: what kind of record keeping are you concerned with? There are a lot of cheep shareware database apps if you want to emulate a card file, and I've seen mention of CAD software for the landscaping types. I keep a yearly Turbocad drawing of my garden with associated text file, so the drawing doesn't get too cluttered. Here's a snippet: ************************************************** *********************** 8/24: B8: Pole Beans, "Romano" (own) 3 teepees g 6/2 poor germ; re-planted w/sprouting seeds 6/15 B9: Blue potatoes, 36 sets (own; sprouting) g.5/31 Bush Bean Wide row "A" AKA future garlic bed 4' wide; 6X6 inches if not otherwise noted: C0: "Black Valentine" beans (own) 24' 5/28 Virtually no germ (too cold); re-pl w/D3 + D4 C1: "Sayamusume" Edible soybeans (Territorial) 1'X1' -8' 5/28 C2: "Vermont Cranberry" (own) 12' 5/29 g 6/10 C3: "Bright Lights" chard 4' X 8' 6/4 g.6/15 C4: leek "American Flag" own pl + 4 "Australian Brown" onion (own pl)6/4 ************************************************** ** And to give the Devil Her due, I do have a couple of text files chronicling things like garlic varieties, when and where I got them, descriptions of how they do here, etc. "I'm Gary, and I'm a gardener." Group: "Hi, Gary..." Cabin fever, big time! Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at www.albany.net/~gwoods Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1200' elevation. NY WO G |
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"Pat Meadows" wrote in message As you undoubtedly don't know, I'm a battle-scarred Usenet veteran, having been on Usenet for about 15 years Hey, someone else who knows what Unix language is! I used to laugh at my friends, all of whom I converted over to the Internet, when they used that sissified Windows to get from one place to the other!! Now, no one even knows what I'm talking about if I mention IRC's or telnetting. Back to gardening, however, I downloaded "My Garden Journal" after reading your post on it, and I think it is a great little electronic "farmer's almanac" for me to use! I am not sophisticated enough to start scheduling out my planting times. Maybe after a year of documenting my results in the journal, I can use my successes and failures to plan for nex tyear! I've been gardening for some time, but have never been organized enough to document any of what I do. Which is unfortunate, because sometimes I have planted some really wonderful plants, and sometimes some real losers, but I can never recall which was which! |
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On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 07:56:34 -0800, "DH"
wrote: Back to gardening, however, I downloaded "My Garden Journal" after reading your post on it, and I think it is a great little electronic "farmer's almanac" for me to use! I am not sophisticated enough to start scheduling out my planting times. Maybe after a year of documenting my results in the journal, I can use my successes and failures to plan for nex tyear! I've been gardening for some time, but have never been organized enough to document any of what I do. Which is unfortunate, because sometimes I have planted some really wonderful plants, and sometimes some real losers, but I can never recall which was which! That's the thing... plus I get confused and forget things if I don't schedule them in SOME manner. Yes, MyGardenJournal is a great little electronic 'farmer's almanac' - that's a very good way to describe it. Pat -- Pat Meadows CLICK DAILY TO FEED THE HUNGRY United States: http://www.stopthehunger.com/ International: http://www.thehungersite.com/ |
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"DH" wrote in message
... ...I downloaded "My Garden Journal" after reading your post on it, and I think it is a great little electronic "farmer's almanac" for me to use! I am not sophisticated enough to start scheduling out my planting times. Maybe after a year of documenting my results in the journal, I can use my successes and failures to plan for nex tyear! I've been gardening for some time, but have never been organized enough to document any of what I do. Which is unfortunate, because sometimes I have planted some really wonderful plants, and sometimes some real losers, but I can never recall which was which! I also downloaded both Journals. The garden software has come a long way since the last time looked at it. The only problem I see with SeedPlanner is the portion that's online. Since canceling broadband and going back to using a modem again it looks like it might be a bit low. -Olin. |
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I guess you use paper and pencil instead of a calculator, or do you use an
abacus yet? NS9G wrote: "Pat Meadows" wrote in message ... I'm interested in garden record-keeping software - freeware or reasonably-priced shareware. I've downloaded the following two programs and will be trying them out over the weekend: Seedplanner - http://www.seedplanner.com MyGardenJournal - http://www.mygardenjournal.com Does anyone use either of these, and have comments to make? Alternately, does anyone have recommendations for other programs? Might I suggest a pencil and notebook for your garden record keeping? You can carry it around with you. Windows won't cause it to crash and you will be much healthier if you get up from the computer and go out where the garden is. -- 73 de Bob NS9G |
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Since you like paper and pencil so much why don't you use that instead of your
computer to make your posts to the newsgroup. Just snail mail it to: IamadipshitbecauseIlike tospewshitwhenIdon'tknowthe answer. CA 90210 to NS9G wrote: "Pat Meadows" wrote in message ... On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 13:06:45 GMT, "NS9G" wrote: Might I suggest a pencil and notebook for your garden record keeping? You can carry it around with you. Windows won't cause it to crash and you will be much healthier if you get up from the computer and go out where the garden is. Oddly enough, I am aware of the uses of pencil and paper. I prefer the increased functionality of a software program which is why I asked (specifically) about a program... [I know it's not cool to announce that you're plonking someone but very, very occasionally I just cannot resist...] Into my twit-file you go... I imagine you'll enjoy the company of others there with a similar bent of mind. Pat -- Pat Meadows If I had realized what a nice person you are I wouldn't have bothered replying in the first place. But, since we are here, would someone please explain why a computer is more functional than a pencil and notebook. Is a computer more dependable? Is a computer more accurate? Is a computer less expensive? Is a computer doing any actual gardening? Is a notebook likely to crash and destroy all your records? I think perhaps the effort to meld two entirely different hobbies might prove counterproductive. -- 73 de Bob NS9G |
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I never looked at the software they are talking about, but I think it will
give more info then just the date. Like maybe keeping track from year to year of how long from planting till harvest, and by just doing a search pull up the info. I imagine some software you could even put in the amount of rainfall, average temp ect...I know commercial farmers do it that way. An example would be lets say you had the best sweet corn ever this year.....how would you duplicate that next year without data. The software could say when the ears formed we had 3 inches of rain that week, 1 the next, then 2 weeks of no rain ect....Say you side dressed the corn with fertilizer a week before the tassels formed and the ears were small that year, you could pull up the previous years and see what you did different that year. Otherwise you may blame the weather. These were just examples I have no idea how much rain would be good for corn nor do I know when its a good time to fertilize. But once you have "DATA" from previous years that you can pull up in a few seconds you will have a better idea of what works and what don't. Steve Harris wrote: I'm interested in garden record-keeping software - freeware or reasonably-priced shareware. Windows Notepad. The F5 key inserts date and time and then you just type free text. Free with Windows Steve Harris - Cheltenham - Real address steve AT netservs DOT com |
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"Brian" wrote in message ... I guess you use paper and pencil instead of a calculator, or do you use an abacus yet? NS9G wrote: "Pat Meadows" wrote in message ... I'm interested in garden record-keeping software - freeware or reasonably-priced shareware. I've downloaded the following two programs and will be trying them out over the weekend: Seedplanner - http://www.seedplanner.com MyGardenJournal - http://www.mygardenjournal.com Does anyone use either of these, and have comments to make? Alternately, does anyone have recommendations for other programs? Might I suggest a pencil and notebook for your garden record keeping? You can carry it around with you. Windows won't cause it to crash and you will be much healthier if you get up from the computer and go out where the garden is. I didn't sleep through math class. I do most figuring in my head. Sorry to say I never learned the abacus but I did learn to not top post. -- 73 de Bob NS9G |
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NS9G wrote:
"Brian" wrote in message ... I guess you use paper and pencil instead of a calculator, or do you use an abacus yet? NS9G wrote: "Pat Meadows" wrote in message ... I'm interested in garden record-keeping software - freeware or reasonably-priced shareware. I've downloaded the following two programs and will be trying them out over the weekend: Seedplanner - http://www.seedplanner.com MyGardenJournal - http://www.mygardenjournal.com Does anyone use either of these, and have comments to make? Alternately, does anyone have recommendations for other programs? Might I suggest a pencil and notebook for your garden record keeping? You can carry it around with you. Windows won't cause it to crash and you will be much healthier if you get up from the computer and go out where the garden is. I didn't sleep through math class. I do most figuring in my head. Sorry to say I never learned the abacus but I did learn to not top post. -- 73 de Bob NS9G Is this better for you ? Sorry some other group I visit like top posting so they don't have to scroll to the bottom of every post not trimmed. Quick what is 27.4% of 6,894,577 The problem I have with you is if you don't have an answer...don't answer. Do you condem people that shop with a computer, do their banking and check writing with a computer. I mean why use microsoft word when you can use a typewriter. If you would follow your own advice you never would have got one of dem dar new fangled computers. |
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Funny thread :-)
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On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 03:19:49 GMT, Brian wrote in
rec.gardens.edible: Quick what is 27.4% of 6,894,577 I have and use a calculator, but when I saw this, just for a moment, I thought, "Where is my slide rule". True. -- Spelling and grammatical errors are deliberate to catch copyright violators. ©¿©¬ Perth, Ontario, Canada |
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In article, says...
In article , (Pat Meadows) wrote: Yet another joker. :( Yet another ungrateful American who can't think laterally and recognise a a valuable suggestion. I have been using Notepad for mt garden log for sometime and it works just fine. Now **** off and bomb someone else. You don't deserve to read my postings Steve Harris - Cheltenham - Real address steve AT netservs DOT com Include me !your suggestion was not particularly 'valuable' and you are rude and offensive and i certainly dont WANT to read your postings. |
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