In article
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Billy wrote:

Sometimes I just crave raw beef. I probably need the iron. It's a girl
thing.

I generally use Top round:

http://i16.tinypic.com/5xywje1.jpg

Dipped in a bit of soy sauce and/or raw egg yolk. ;-d

Maybe I'll just wait for dinner.
Seen "Into the Wild", yet? Seems like it might be your kind of
movie.
--

Billy

I've seen "The Wild", but not the other...
Raw foods tend to be higher in nutrition, but that can balance out with
some high fiber veggies. Cooking some stuff makes it more digestible.

Most of the time, I cook my steak rare. ;-d

http://i4.tinypic.com/4mkzc40.jpg

Seared on the outside, chilled, and served in a salad.
A creative way to serve steak leftovers!
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Peace! Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a Bitch."
-- Jack Nicholson

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Billy wrote:

Carpaccio. That's the dish I could not remember the name of. Thanks for
the Wiki link!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpaccio

I've seen it served with slices of fresh tomato and fresh basil leaves
too, much like Insalata Caprice. But, that's served with fresh made
cheese slices.

Casu Marzu, no doubt;-)
Well a fast isn't such a bad thing.
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Billy

Heh! Sometimes I fast for a day or two, but not deliberately.
Sometimes I'm just too busy to eat, or am simply not hungry.

It's good for weight control.
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Peace! Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a Bitch."
-- Jack Nicholson

In article
,
Billy wrote:

Casu Marzu, no doubt;-)

Ugh. I'll pass.
There are some raw things even _I_ won't eat. I'll draw the line at
maggots. g

I do enjoy Sashimi and raw beef but will not eat raw pork or chicken.
The texture leaves much to be desired for one thing.

I can eat most veggies raw or cooked. OB gardening, I really need to
consider putting in more chard. I love the stuff! I'm also thinking
about picking up some beets from the grocery store just to grow the
greens. Dad loves beets but I cannot stand them. I love the greens
only. ;-d I've noted a trend at the stores now where they've quit
chopping off the greens. For awhile there, you could not get beets with
the leaves.

I've not seen carrot greens in ages. I like to feed fresh greens to
Freya, my Goffin's Cockatoo.
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Peace! Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a Bitch."
-- Jack Nicholson

In article , Charlie wrote:

On Sat, 03 May 2008 10:13:05 -0500, Omelet wrote:

In article ,
Jonno wrote:

Food grade poly drums are available from canneries. They buy their
vinegar in them.

Jan
Also beware of mosquitos.
That is likely to happen.
Use BT dunks.

That will keep mosquitos out of standing water?
Put in some goldfish. Theyre organic eat mossies, and you can always eat
them when they grow big enough.

But carp are so bony! ;-)

I'd personally vote for bass or crappie minnows!
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Oh dear me......carp is our absolutlyist favoritist fish for plate!!

Bony yes, *but* skinned and properly scored and lightly dusted and
scores lightly packed with flour/cornmeal and deep fried.....oh my.

Hm. Carp is considered a trash fish here. I may have to re-assess that,
thanks!


The scoring of the flesh is *the* key to proper carp. Scoring, for
those who aren't familiar, is running your *very* sharp knife from
backbone down perpendiculary to the bellyside, cutting thru all the
tiny bones, but not the ribs, or cutting clear thru the fish. From
head to tail. You score as closely as possible, no more than 1/8 in
apart. You can feel all the little hairbones being cut. Deep frying
then reduces the tiny bones to nothing, though one still must exercise
the usual caution when eating fish.

Can you fillet them?


Oh lordy, Charlie and Mrs. Charlie are looking forward to fresh carp,
coleslaw and fried taters and cornbread....just your mention of carp
has me salivating like Pavlov's pup......

Charlie

Definitely have to re-asses. :-) Some people around here dump their
"used" goldfish in the local river and they get HUGE.
I live in a college town.
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Peace! Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a Bitch."
-- Jack Nicholson

In article
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Bill wrote:

Oh lordy, Charlie and Mrs. Charlie are looking forward to fresh carp,
coleslaw and fried taters and cornbread....just your mention of carp
has me salivating like Pavlov's pup......

Charlie

Once again my dad would have me out on the swamp ice. Break a hole and
shoot carp that came for air. 1955

Bill

Sounds like fun. Did you use a .22?
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Peace! Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a Bitch."
-- Jack Nicholson

In article , Charlie wrote:


But....the question remains....how did you fix your carp and did/do you
like them?
Sold them to local Jewish folk never ate them.
Sold our rats to local black folk eat some.

Our community was made up of poor blacks, whites, jews and what ever
got here. Hand pumps for water and wood or coal for heat. We all were
driven out to make for modern expansion. We called it the meadows where
my back yard was a large swamp of a few hundred acres. The
Philadelphia airport is real close to where I grew up. BTw the projects
failed and the area is now a wasted community. They took 1 out of every
3 homes and it is still like that.

Folks in our area used to can lots of carp. THe pressuring took care
of the bones and the flavor was reminiscent of tuna. Pretty damned
good eatin' it was.
Never canned any fish or meat. Dried fish in a dehydrator and froze
meat.


Gotta ask ya' this one....you and your dad ever noodle for catfish?

Unknown to me.

That always gave me the willys, you just *knew* what was comin', but I
never got comfortable doing it. I knew some guys what near got
drownded using this technique. Brushpiles were dangerous. Sure as hell
got skinned up fierce once in a while. Never happened to me, but
sometimes bank holes held things other than cats.

Charlie, feelin' kind of ........elderly...and missin' the old fun! ;-)

I'm not feeling elderly but I'd like to sleep sound and not know what
Tinnitus and other health things mean. Looking at my efforts to be
healthy I some times the effort was for naught. But when I jump over a
curb I think yea.

Bill

http://youtube.com/watch?v=B01n4U9YyaI

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

In article , Charlie wrote:

You probably don't like pickled beets either. Shame....after you eat
'em you can throw in hardboiled eggs and in a couple
weeks.......mmmmmmmm.

We sort of think of this as pickled eggs dyed red.

Bill German good stuff

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

In article ,
Omelet wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:

Sometimes I just crave raw beef. I probably need the iron. It's a girl
thing.

I generally use Top round:

http://i16.tinypic.com/5xywje1.jpg

Dipped in a bit of soy sauce and/or raw egg yolk. ;-d

Maybe I'll just wait for dinner.
Seen "Into the Wild", yet? Seems like it might be your kind of
movie.
--

Billy

I've seen "The Wild", but not the other...
Raw foods tend to be higher in nutrition, but that can balance out with
some high fiber veggies. Cooking some stuff makes it more digestible.

Most of the time, I cook my steak rare. ;-d

http://i4.tinypic.com/4mkzc40.jpg

Seared on the outside, chilled, and served in a salad.
A creative way to serve steak leftovers!

Try marinading the thinly cut beef in vinaigrette for an hour or two, or
over night. Serve with cold leeks or asparagus cut into 1" to 2"
lengths, and French bread. Bread, cheese, and red wine, afterwards.
--

Billy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.counterpunch.org/martin05022008.html

Bill wrote:
In article , Charlie wrote:

On Sat, 03 May 2008 10:13:05 -0500, Omelet wrote:

In article ,
Jonno wrote:

Food grade poly drums are available from canneries. They buy their
vinegar in them.

Jan
Also beware of mosquitos.
That is likely to happen.
Use BT dunks.
That will keep mosquitos out of standing water?
Put in some goldfish. Theyre organic eat mossies, and you can always eat
them when they grow big enough.
But carp are so bony! ;-)

I'd personally vote for bass or crappie minnows!
--
Oh dear me......carp is our absolutlyist favoritist fish for plate!!

Bony yes, *but* skinned and properly scored and lightly dusted and
scores lightly packed with flour/cornmeal and deep fried.....oh my.

The scoring of the flesh is *the* key to proper carp. Scoring, for
those who aren't familiar, is running your *very* sharp knife from
backbone down perpendiculary to the bellyside, cutting thru all the
tiny bones, but not the ribs, or cutting clear thru the fish. From
head to tail. You score as closely as possible, no more than 1/8 in
apart. You can feel all the little hairbones being cut. Deep frying
then reduces the tiny bones to nothing, though one still must exercise
the usual caution when eating fish.

Oh lordy, Charlie and Mrs. Charlie are looking forward to fresh carp,
coleslaw and fried taters and cornbread....just your mention of carp
has me salivating like Pavlov's pup......

Charlie

Once again my dad would have me out on the swamp ice. Break a hole and
shoot carp that came for air. 1955

Bill

I was kidding! We dont want droves of people carp fishing in this ladies
water tank.... We only wanted to get rid of the mosquitos. Oh hell. I
remember the saying " its hard, when you find yourself in the middle of
a mudhole full of alligators that you only came to drain the swamp"
Shhooo no fishing allowed!

In article
,
Bill wrote:

I'm not feeling elderly but I'd like to sleep sound and not know what
Tinnitus and other health things mean. Looking at my efforts to be
healthy I some times the effort was for naught. But when I jump over a
curb I think yea.

Bill

http://youtube.com/watch?v=B01n4U9YyaI

Who was Tony Martin? I don't remember him.
I'm with you on the Tinnitus. A little peace and quiet would
be nice.
--

Billy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.counterpunch.org/martin05022008.html

In article , Charlie wrote:

Hm. Carp is considered a trash fish here. I may have to re-assess that,
thanks!


You should, at least once. Folks most places consider them trashfish.



I'm wondering if there is a fillet technique for them.
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Peace! Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a Bitch."
-- Jack Nicholson

In article , Charlie wrote:

Can you fillet them?

Nope. After you cut off the heads and tails and fins and gut 'em, use
a pair of pliers (catfish skinning pliars work well) and pull the skin
off. Not tearing of chunks of meat is a good idea. ;-) After you
score them, and score them deep, both sides...cut them in 4-5 in
chunks...the tail piece is the best, IMO.

Ah nevermind. I missed reading this the first time...
Sounds a lot like preparing catfish except those are not scored.
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Peace! Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a Bitch."
-- Jack Nicholson

In article , Charlie wrote:

They'll sometimes go for
nightcrawlers, but prefer sweet. I've also had good luck with anise
flavored bait. Big time fun in England.

I have _tons_ of red wrigglers living in my back yard!
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Peace! Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a Bitch."
-- Jack Nicholson

In article
,
Bill wrote:

Folks in our area used to can lots of carp. THe pressuring took care
of the bones and the flavor was reminiscent of tuna. Pretty damned
good eatin' it was.
Never canned any fish or meat. Dried fish in a dehydrator and froze
meat.

Mom used to can meat. It keeps for years that way. A pressure cooker is
a godsend.



Gotta ask ya' this one....you and your dad ever noodle for catfish?

Unknown to me.

That always gave me the willys, you just *knew* what was comin', but I
never got comfortable doing it. I knew some guys what near got
drownded using this technique. Brushpiles were dangerous. Sure as hell
got skinned up fierce once in a while. Never happened to me, but
sometimes bank holes held things other than cats.

Charlie, feelin' kind of ........elderly...and missin' the old fun! ;-)

I'm not feeling elderly but I'd like to sleep sound and not know what
Tinnitus and other health things mean. Looking at my efforts to be
healthy I some times the effort was for naught. But when I jump over a
curb I think yea.

Bill

For tinnitus, try running a fan at night.
Works well for me.

I have trouble sleeping without one now. ;-)

Stretching exercises keep me mobile.
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Peace! Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a Bitch."
-- Jack Nicholson

In article , Charlie wrote:

On Sun, 04 May 2008 17:22:07 -0500, Omelet wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:

Casu Marzu, no doubt;-)

Ugh. I'll pass.
There are some raw things even _I_ won't eat. I'll draw the line at
maggots. g

I do enjoy Sashimi and raw beef but will not eat raw pork or chicken.
The texture leaves much to be desired for one thing.

My son turned me onto raw, thinly sliced beef. It is really good.

A couple years ago I stupidly ate a few raw shrimp, without even
thinking about the consequences. Vibrio, for one! Nothing ended up
happening, but it was one the best tasting meats I have eaten.

It is good, but I prefer it minimally cooked. When I cook shrimp, I do
it in a very hot pan with butter and olive oil with garlic, dill weed
and lemon pepper (salt free). Toss it around in the pan until it just
turns pink.

I like raw octopus and tuna, but not squid. Squid gotta be braised or
deep fried. ;-d


You are right, rare beef is the best!! Sear that baby over really,
really hot and crust the outside.......wow. Philly style. When Dad
died, I inherited his Big Green Egg. I get that baby up to about 750F
and give thick steaks about two mins on each side then slam the vents
shut for another couple. Orgasmic.

lol I know what you mean! Did you see my jpeg?


I can eat most veggies raw or cooked. OB gardening, I really need to
consider putting in more chard. I love the stuff! I'm also thinking
about picking up some beets from the grocery store just to grow the
greens. Dad loves beets but I cannot stand them. I love the greens
only. ;-d I've noted a trend at the stores now where they've quit
chopping off the greens. For awhile there, you could not get beets with
the leaves.

Chard is wunnerful stuff and you get a *lot* from the plants. We
freeze like spinach, the extra.

It also grows forever!


You probably don't like pickled beets either. Shame....after you eat
'em you can throw in hardboiled eggs and in a couple
weeks.......mmmmmmmm.

I've made pickled eggs using beet juice from the cans and pickle juice
from the jars I buy at the grocery store. :-) That's a way to cheat
making your own cucumber or okra pickles. Get the brand of pickles you
like from the store, (I like Claussens), eat the pickles and save the
commercial juice for pickling! I keep it in the 'frige.


Hmmm.......just a suggestion....we started growing Chioggia beets, look
like a red and white bullseye. The tops are excellant and the root is
different from red beets. Cooks nearly white and is rather sweet and
lacks that typical beet earthyness, IMO. I've had them shaved in
salads and they are good raw....again, IMO. ;-)

Hm. I'll have to look for that! I like to steam radishes in stews and
cooked veggie mixes, greens and all.


I've not seen carrot greens in ages. I like to feed fresh greens to
Freya, my Goffin's Cockatoo.
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I've been reading recently about eating all sorts of greens, and it
seems that most overthing we eat main crop, the leaves are edible too.

Yes they are! See above for radish greens. :-) Those are tossed by most
people.

I never even though about eating the rest of the plant, of say broccoli
and carrots and radishes. Michael Pollan started me thinking down this
path.

Oh gods. Both Broccoli and Cauliflower greens are GOOD! I always add
them to the steaming mix. ;-d But, I do love greens. Never tried
eating carrot tops, just fed them to the bird. I imagine, if nothing
else, they'd be good for stock. They have a rather intense flavor. I
always use celery leaves as well, and I freeze the tough asparagus stems
to use in stock.

Good eats, and too many words ;-)
Charlie

Indeed! :-) I finally started saving a LOT more trimmings in the
freezer for stock. I've been amazed at the difference that "garbage" has
made in the intensity of my stock flavor. I use stock mostly for making
rice. I never cook rice in just water.

I've got some beef rib bones from a local BBQ place that I go to
occasionally. I'll be using that smoky beef stock to make lentils.
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Peace! Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a Bitch."
-- Jack Nicholson