Evening Ladies and Gent's
This year I have dicided to get myself a greenhouse and grow some tomatoe's etc...

Everything is working great untill the plants started fruiting, I got some nice tomatoes comming thru. I have started to know little black speckles forming on the bottom of my tomatoes, and then they are turning bad and mushy, Can anyone suggest something for me to try?

Also my Pumpin's,marrow's and butternut squash had nice big flowers, then the big flower heads are dying and snapping completly off the stalks,

any help on this matter would be great, this is really starting to annoy me,
They all have lived and grew nicely in my greenhouse, for last few months,

Regards
Richard

In article ,
Anything_exotic wrote:

Evening Ladies and Gent's
This year I have dicided to get myself a greenhouse and grow some
tomatoe's etc...

Everything is working great untill the plants started fruiting, I got
some nice tomatoes comming thru. I have started to know little black
speckles forming on the bottom of my tomatoes, and then they are
turning bad and mushy, Can anyone suggest something for me to try?

Also my Pumpin's,marrow's and butternut squash had nice big flowers,
then the big flower heads are dying and snapping completly off the
stalks,

any help on this matter would be great, this is really starting to
annoy me,
They all have lived and grew nicely in my greenhouse, for last few
months,

Regards
Richard

Sounds like a fungal problem.
How humid is it in the greenhouse?
Is it getting plenty of air flow?
--
Peace! Om

"Human nature seems to be to control other people
until they put their foot down." -- Stephan Rothstein

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In article ,
Anything_exotic wrote:

Evening Ladies and Gent's
This year I have dicided to get myself a greenhouse and grow some
tomatoe's etc...

Everything is working great untill the plants started fruiting, I got
some nice tomatoes comming thru. I have started to know little black
speckles forming on the bottom of my tomatoes, and then they are
turning bad and mushy, Can anyone suggest something for me to try?

Also my Pumpin's,marrow's and butternut squash had nice big flowers,
then the big flower heads are dying and snapping completly off the
stalks,

any help on this matter would be great, this is really starting to
annoy me,
They all have lived and grew nicely in my greenhouse, for last few
months,

Regards
Richard

Sounds like a fungal problem.
How humid is it in the greenhouse?
Is it getting plenty of air flow?
--
Peace! Om


That would be a good chance but there may be more than one problem, hard to
say without seeing.

Also how would the curcurbits get pollinated? Can bees get into the
greenhouse? Are you doing it by hand?

David

Anything_exotic said:



Evening Ladies and Gent's
This year I have dicided to get myself a greenhouse and grow some
tomatoe's etc...

Everything is working great untill the plants started fruiting, I got
some nice tomatoes comming thru. I have started to know little black
speckles forming on the bottom of my tomatoes, and then they are
turning bad and mushy, Can anyone suggest something for me to try?

Could be blossom end rot, which is a problem of low calcium availability
in the fruit.

(/quote from http://ohioline.osu.edu/hyg-fact/3000/3117.html)

Blossom-end rot is induced when demand for calcium exceeds supply. This
may result from low calcium levels or high amounts of competitive cations
in the soil, drought stress, or excessive soil moisture fluctuations which
reduce uptake and movement of calcium into the plant, or rapid, vegetative
growth due to excessive nitrogen fertilization.

Management

1. Maintain the soil pH around 6.5. Liming will supply calcium and will
increase the ratio of calcium ions to other competitive ions in the soil.

2. Use nitrate nitrogen as the fertilizer nitrogen source. Ammoniacal
nitrogen may increase blossom-end rot as excess ammonium ions reduce
calcium uptake. Avoid over-fertilization as side dressings during early
fruiting, especially with ammoniacal forms of nitrogen.

3. Avoid drought stress and wide fluctuations in soil moisture by using
mulches and/or irrigation. Plants generally need about one inch of
moisture per week from rain or irrigation for proper growth and
development.

4. Foliar applications of calcium, which are often advocated, are of little
value because of poor absorption and movement to fruit where it is
needed.

(end quote)

Also my Pumpin's,marrow's and butternut squash had nice big flowers,
then the big flower heads are dying and snapping completly off the
stalks,

The first thing I would suspect is a lack of pollination. Do bees have
access to the greenhouse? If not, then you will have to hand pollinate
the squash.

They could also be suffering something like blossom end rot, or otherwise
aborting fruit due to nutrient or temperature stress. How hot does it
get in the greenhouse during the day?

(Hope I have caught all the typos, as I have injured some fingers on
my left hand, and I touch type...)

--
Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast)

After enlightenment, the laundry.

I'm replying to this post with my tomato problem since I'm getting an
error message trying to post a new message!

Two of my tomato plants suddenly went into total wilt. I've never seen
this type of wilting problem. Last year in a different spot I had some
wilting disease that started at the bottom of the plant and they
responded a bit to extra watering, for a while, before they expired.
These tomatoes are wilted top to bottom, no leaf discoloring. I'd
appreciate any help identifying this problem and either a cure or
future prevention. This is only the second year of planting tomatoes
in this area and so far the other plants near these two affected ones
are doing fine.
I'm getting a lot of strange things going on in the garden this year -
plants that don't look healthy, black spotting on a brand new,
expensive hydrangea and almost overnight major increase in black
spotting on all my roses, other perennials that just don't look right
etc.
I'm an organic gardener, so any help in that direction would be most
appreciated.

Thanks!
June

sometime in the recent past Anything_exotic posted this:
Evening Ladies and Gent's
This year I have dicided to get myself a greenhouse and grow some
tomatoe's etc...

Everything is working great untill the plants started fruiting, I got
some nice tomatoes comming thru. I have started to know little black
speckles forming on the bottom of my tomatoes, and then they are
turning bad and mushy, Can anyone suggest something for me to try?

Also my Pumpin's,marrow's and butternut squash had nice big flowers,
then the big flower heads are dying and snapping completly off the
stalks,

any help on this matter would be great, this is really starting to
annoy me,
They all have lived and grew nicely in my greenhouse, for last few
months,

Regards
Richard




I have a small cold frame with some veggies in it. What I notice is that it
has the appearance of high humidity, but the soil can still be relatively
dry. As a result, it gets watered less than the outside garden.

Not a solution, just a suggestion.

Water - not enough and you're gonna die - too much and you're gonna die too!
It's a balancing act.

Wilson

In article 9c9900f6-d4de-47ed-b590-6530d4505eb8
@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, says...

I'm replying to this post with my tomato problem since I'm getting an
error message trying to post a new message!

Two of my tomato plants suddenly went into total wilt. I've never seen
this type of wilting problem. Last year in a different spot I had some
wilting disease that started at the bottom of the plant and they
responded a bit to extra watering, for a while, before they expired.
These tomatoes are wilted top to bottom, no leaf discoloring. I'd
appreciate any help identifying this problem and either a cure or
future prevention. This is only the second year of planting tomatoes
in this area and so far the other plants near these two affected ones
are doing fine.
I'm getting a lot of strange things going on in the garden this year -
plants that don't look healthy, black spotting on a brand new,
expensive hydrangea and almost overnight major increase in black
spotting on all my roses, other perennials that just don't look right
etc.
I'm an organic gardener, so any help in that direction would be most
appreciated.

With regards to the tomatoes, that sounds like an insect or insect borne
disease. My wife, who walked in and out of the room just now said
"...probably insect, just for the speed of it." and, "What does total
wilt look like?"

Rodale's Color Handbook of Garden Insects lists potato stalk borer,
potato tuberworm, cutworms and crickets as affecting stems and branches
(and by implication, the whole system depending on where they are in or
on the plant.)

The rest seems environmental.

Where are you?

What kind of rains are you getting?

How overcast has it been?

What temperatures have you been getting? What kind of humidity?

How much air can get in around the affected plants?

How much air can you get in around the affected plants?

And responding to your comment about strange things.

I think we're past the point where we can expect things to behave
normally. --I've been observing particularly heavy fruit and seedset on
trees and weeds these past few years, as if the plant kingdom knows
something we don't.

Ok Ladies and Gent's
Thanks for all your replys, I have notced recently that my greenhouse is always soaking, so maybe a humidiy problem,
how would I solve this? leave the door open all day?
I recently wrapped bubble wrap around my greenhouse, (somebody said to stop direct rays burning leaves etc..) I dont know I am new to all this

OK, I don't run a greenhouse, but um, wrapping it in bubble wrap to
prevent burning plants.. no.

There are things for you greenies that are called sunshade, what they
look like is a huge sheet of screened netting. Comes in different
weights to reduce different amounts of sun.

Take the bubble wrap off, it just ain't no good for ya. I don't see
that that alone would cause all your grief, but it's a step in the
right direction to put some sunshade over the greenhouse instead of
it.


Cheers

On Jun 26, 6:13�pm, gonzo wrote:
OK, I don't run a greenhouse, but um, wrapping it in bubble wrap to
prevent burning plants.. no.

There are things for you greenies that are called sunshade, what they
look like is a huge sheet of screened netting. �Comes in different
weights to reduce different amounts of sun.

Take the bubble wrap off, it just ain't no good for ya. �I don't see
that that alone would cause all your grief, but it's a step in the
right direction to put some sunshade over the greenhouse instead of
it.

Cheers

My greenhouse was always sopping too, and I've had problems with
tomato plants wilting. Sinice I opened all the windows things seem to
have gotten better. There are some blossoms, but no fruit yet. The
plants seem healthier, though.

In article ,
Anything_exotic wrote:

'Wilson[_2_ Wrote:
;800448']sometime in the recent past Anything_exotic posted this:-
Evening Ladies and Gent's
This year I have dicided to get myself a greenhouse and grow some
tomatoe's etc...

Everything is working great untill the plants started fruiting, I got
some nice tomatoes comming thru. I have started to know little black
speckles forming on the bottom of my tomatoes, and then they are
turning bad and mushy, Can anyone suggest something for me to try?

Also my Pumpin's,marrow's and butternut squash had nice big flowers,
then the big flower heads are dying and snapping completly off the
stalks,

any help on this matter would be great, this is really starting to
annoy me,
They all have lived and grew nicely in my greenhouse, for last few
months,

Regards
Richard



-
I have a small cold frame with some veggies in it. What I notice is
that it
has the appearance of high humidity, but the soil can still be
relatively
dry. As a result, it gets watered less than the outside garden.

Not a solution, just a suggestion.

Water - not enough and you're gonna die - too much and you're gonna die
too!
It's a balancing act.

Wilson

Ok Ladies and Gent's
Thanks for all your replys, I have notced recently that my greenhouse
is always soaking, so maybe a humidiy problem,
how would I solve this? leave the door open all day?
I recently wrapped bubble wrap around my greenhouse, (somebody said to
stop direct rays burning leaves etc..) I dont know I am new to all this

Nothing says "mold", like warm and damp. Give the greenhouse some
ventillation during the day.
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related

When I said total wilt I meant that plant leaves are wilted top to
bottom. Some wilting diseases will only show wilt starting at the base
and working up and that's gradual and in the beginning responds a bit
to watering. The one thing I haven't checked for is cut worm damage,
because I always put sticks around the stem to prevent that, and I
also have them mulched in a cone shape, so it didn't seem like that
would be the problem. I haver over 20 tomatoes planted and only those
two next to each other are showing this problem. There are many more
next to them in the same row and one row beneath as well as other
areas of the garden and they're not showing this problem.
I looked up tomato diseases on the Internet but couldn't find any
pictures of a plant with this total wilting which came on within about
24 hours. I will check them out later to see if somehow a cut worm got
them. At this point, I hope it's that instead of some other disease
that might get the rest of them!
We haven't have a lot of rain this season; but we haven't had drought
either. We probably get a good rain once a week or so and none of the
tomatoes, which I planted early, have shown any sign of lack of water.
It's probably been hotter than normal for these western NC mountains -
lots of mid and high 80''s days, even a couple of 90 degree days the
past two weeks.

Regards,
June

sometime in the recent past gonzo posted this:
OK, I don't run a greenhouse, but um, wrapping it in bubble wrap to
prevent burning plants.. no.

There are things for you greenies that are called sunshade, what they
look like is a huge sheet of screened netting. Comes in different
weights to reduce different amounts of sun.

Take the bubble wrap off, it just ain't no good for ya. I don't see
that that alone would cause all your grief, but it's a step in the
right direction to put some sunshade over the greenhouse instead of
it.


Cheers
I've used the black weed barrier material as a shade on the greenhouse too,
when I've moved plants from in the house (poor light) into full sun.
Otherwise the leaves will burn (turn white,) but that's usually temporary,
but disconcerting none the less when your lush plant that was trying to
scrounge up sunlight now has more than it can stand.

Professionals used a lime white-wash to diffuse the light, but I think
that's another issue.

Certainly open it up to air. Also a bit of a fan will dry things and the
movement will cause stalks to thicken. Good luck.

--
Wilson N45 W67

In article 83da50b4-d4f4-4547-92f8-
, says...

On a wild thought, chemical attack?

Could some animal have peed on them?

When I said total wilt I meant that plant leaves are wilted top to
bottom. Some wilting diseases will only show wilt starting at the base
and working up and that's gradual and in the beginning responds a bit
to watering. The one thing I haven't checked for is cut worm damage,
because I always put sticks around the stem to prevent that, and I
also have them mulched in a cone shape, so it didn't seem like that
would be the problem. I haver over 20 tomatoes planted and only those
two next to each other are showing this problem. There are many more
next to them in the same row and one row beneath as well as other
areas of the garden and they're not showing this problem.
I looked up tomato diseases on the Internet but couldn't find any
pictures of a plant with this total wilting which came on within about
24 hours. I will check them out later to see if somehow a cut worm got
them. At this point, I hope it's that instead of some other disease
that might get the rest of them!
We haven't have a lot of rain this season; but we haven't had drought
either. We probably get a good rain once a week or so and none of the
tomatoes, which I planted early, have shown any sign of lack of water.
It's probably been hotter than normal for these western NC mountains -
lots of mid and high 80''s days, even a couple of 90 degree days the
past two weeks.

Regards,
June

Don't know if you have the "17 year locusts" this year, but we do just
southwest of you. I've got a new planting of over 600 blueberry plants that
are mostly destroyed. The locusts cut the stems to create a pocket for their
eggs. I've seen them cutting everything from goldenrod to white oak.
Good Luck,
Steve
"June" wrote in message
...
When I said total wilt I meant that plant leaves are wilted top to
bottom. Some wilting diseases will only show wilt starting at the base
and working up and that's gradual and in the beginning responds a bit
to watering. The one thing I haven't checked for is cut worm damage,
because I always put sticks around the stem to prevent that, and I
also have them mulched in a cone shape, so it didn't seem like that
would be the problem. I haver over 20 tomatoes planted and only those
two next to each other are showing this problem. There are many more
next to them in the same row and one row beneath as well as other
areas of the garden and they're not showing this problem.
I looked up tomato diseases on the Internet but couldn't find any
pictures of a plant with this total wilting which came on within about
24 hours. I will check them out later to see if somehow a cut worm got
them. At this point, I hope it's that instead of some other disease
that might get the rest of them!
We haven't have a lot of rain this season; but we haven't had drought
either. We probably get a good rain once a week or so and none of the
tomatoes, which I planted early, have shown any sign of lack of water.
It's probably been hotter than normal for these western NC mountains -
lots of mid and high 80''s days, even a couple of 90 degree days the
past two weeks.

Regards,
June