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,
Billy wrote:

lol Ever made pesto using fresh basil etc.? ;-d

Shirley, you're kidding. It's best if you can make it with just the
flowers. Just as good is pesto made the same way but with cilantro.
Hmmmmmmm, hmm, hmm.
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Billy

Oh gag! Sorry, but I detest Cilantro! I have the genetics that make it
taste like soap chips.

That comes up a lot on the cooking lists. :-)

And don't call me shirley! lol
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"Steve Young" bowtieATbrightdslDOTnet wrote:

"Billy" wrote

Omelet wrote:

Billy wrote:

Pesto pasta rocks, no argument here)

But what about store bought cooked vs. homegrown cooked. I can't
remember a difference like I can fresh. Can You?

lol Ever made pesto using fresh basil etc.? ;-d

oh my, the basic start for my world famous sketti sauce

Shirley, you're kidding. It's best if you can make it with just the
flowers.

I was wondering if I could use the flowers for anything.
(was remiss and they got away from me, turns out my lucky day?

Just as good is pesto made the same way but with cilantro.
Hmmmmmmm, hmm, hmm.

I planted cilantro, doesn't mean I can claim success of growing it
but "next year" the gardener says

Since, when I have grown it, I try to extend the life of my Basil
plants, I DO snip the flowers and use them. They are quite tasty!

Same goes for dittany blossoms.
(Dittany of Crete blooms profusely but is a perennial).
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Peace! Om

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
- Edmund Burke (1729 - 1797)

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
"Steve Young" bowtieATbrightdslDOTnet wrote:

"Billy" wrote

Omelet wrote:

Billy wrote:

Pesto pasta rocks, no argument here)

But what about store bought cooked vs. homegrown cooked. I can't
remember a difference like I can fresh. Can You?

lol Ever made pesto using fresh basil etc.? ;-d

oh my, the basic start for my world famous sketti sauce

Shirley, you're kidding. It's best if you can make it with just the
flowers.

I was wondering if I could use the flowers for anything.
(was remiss and they got away from me, turns out my lucky day?

Just as good is pesto made the same way but with cilantro.
Hmmmmmmm, hmm, hmm.

I planted cilantro, doesn't mean I can claim success of growing it
but "next year" the gardener says

You may still be in luck if you haven't already dug up the bed or dumped
the pot. Parsley and cilantro usually go to seed in late spring. Took me
a couple of years to figure tat out. I'd buy a starter plant of
cilantro, take it home. Inside of three weeks it would bolt and three
weeks later, I'd have an empty pot. It would have been easier to just
give the nursery the money and avoid the hassle;o) Here in California,
they will produce all winter long. Reminds me that I should get some
seeds into the ground. If you grow them in pots, tuck the seed heads
back in the pot and they will reseed themselves. That's what I do with
my chervil. I used to grow it free range but in a pot it goes away
for a couple of months and then comes back, like it is doing now.

And TOTALLY off topic, this has been a very pleasant gardening year for
me due to iron phosphate and the havoc that it wreaks on gastropods.
Every couple of weeks I toss a hand full into a bed and I don't need to
worry about it for a couple of more weeks. The lettuce patch looks
particularly nice.

I only grow parsley when I plant dill weed. :-) Gives me something to
move the Swallowtail larvae to. g

They can also live on Fennel leaves.
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Peace! Om

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
- Edmund Burke (1729 - 1797)

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On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 13:53:19 -0500, zxcvbob
wrote:

Steve Young wrote:
"Omelet" wrote:

Blanch and peel first. You could also stew them and can them as a
sauce. ;-d

Even turn them into ketchup. Anyone tried their hand at this?



Every gardener should make ketchup once in their life. You take a half
a bushel of fresh tomatoes, some vinegar and salt, and a bunch of
expensive sugar and spices. Cook them down for about 6 hours (Careful!
Don't let it burn!) When you're all done, you have a pint or two of
ketchup that's almost as good as the 20 ounce bottle of store-bought
ketchup you could have bought for about $1. HTH :-)

Bob

Ain't that the truth!
We tried our hand at it one year when we had a real glut of tomatoes
but, we ended up with about 12 liters, not one or two pints. And, like
you say, it was almost as good as store bought. The real saving grace
was the fact that a couple of the grandkids liked it better than the
store bought so we were able to unload a bunch.

you lot must either have really excellent supermarket tomato sauce or
really
crap recipes for making it yourself at home. I got a recipe from the guy
across the road this year & made some great tomato suace. Beats the store
bought crap hands down.

rob

I was referring to making ketchup, not tomato sauce. There's a big
difference.

Tomato ketchup - tomato sauce. Never thought there was a difference between
the two. Have a hamburger, a pie or some chips, put the tomato sauce/ketchup
on them. What do you categorise the difference as?

rob


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On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:32:48 +1200, "George.com"
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wrote in message
news On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 13:53:19 -0500, zxcvbob
wrote:

Steve Young wrote:
"Omelet" wrote:

Blanch and peel first. You could also stew them and can them as a
sauce. ;-d

Even turn them into ketchup. Anyone tried their hand at this?



Every gardener should make ketchup once in their life. You take a half
a bushel of fresh tomatoes, some vinegar and salt, and a bunch of
expensive sugar and spices. Cook them down for about 6 hours (Careful!
Don't let it burn!) When you're all done, you have a pint or two of
ketchup that's almost as good as the 20 ounce bottle of store-bought
ketchup you could have bought for about $1. HTH :-)

Bob

Ain't that the truth!
We tried our hand at it one year when we had a real glut of tomatoes
but, we ended up with about 12 liters, not one or two pints. And, like
you say, it was almost as good as store bought. The real saving grace
was the fact that a couple of the grandkids liked it better than the
store bought so we were able to unload a bunch.

you lot must either have really excellent supermarket tomato sauce or
really
crap recipes for making it yourself at home. I got a recipe from the guy
across the road this year & made some great tomato suace. Beats the store
bought crap hands down.

rob

I was referring to making ketchup, not tomato sauce. There's a big
difference.

Tomato ketchup - tomato sauce. Never thought there was a difference between
the two. Have a hamburger, a pie or some chips, put the tomato sauce/ketchup
on them. What do you categorise the difference as?

Ketchup is saturated with sugar and has some vinegar too.

In article ,
AZ Nomad wrote:

On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:17:37 +1200, George.com wrote:

wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:32:48 +1200, "George.com"
wrote:


wrote in message
news On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 13:53:19 -0500, zxcvbob
wrote:

Steve Young wrote:
"Omelet" wrote:

Blanch and peel first. You could also stew them and can them as a
sauce. ;-d

Even turn them into ketchup. Anyone tried their hand at this?



Every gardener should make ketchup once in their life. You take a half
a bushel of fresh tomatoes, some vinegar and salt, and a bunch of
expensive sugar and spices. Cook them down for about 6 hours (Careful!
Don't let it burn!) When you're all done, you have a pint or two of
ketchup that's almost as good as the 20 ounce bottle of store-bought
ketchup you could have bought for about $1. HTH :-)

Bob

Ain't that the truth!
We tried our hand at it one year when we had a real glut of tomatoes
but, we ended up with about 12 liters, not one or two pints. And, like
you say, it was almost as good as store bought. The real saving grace
was the fact that a couple of the grandkids liked it better than the
store bought so we were able to unload a bunch.

you lot must either have really excellent supermarket tomato sauce or
really
crap recipes for making it yourself at home. I got a recipe from the guy
across the road this year & made some great tomato suace. Beats the store
bought crap hands down.

rob

I was referring to making ketchup, not tomato sauce. There's a big
difference.

Tomato ketchup - tomato sauce. Never thought there was a difference between
the two. Have a hamburger, a pie or some chips, put the tomato sauce/ketchup
on them. What do you categorise the difference as?

Ketchup is saturated with sugar and has some vinegar too.

Unless you are making home made low carb Ketchup/Catsup!
--
Peace! Om

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
- Edmund Burke (1729 - 1797)

Omelet wrote:
In article ,
AZ Nomad wrote:

On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:17:37 +1200, George.com wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:32:48 +1200, "George.com"
wrote:

wrote in message
news On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 13:53:19 -0500, zxcvbob
wrote:

Steve Young wrote:
"Omelet" wrote:

Blanch and peel first. You could also stew them and can them as a
sauce. ;-d
Even turn them into ketchup. Anyone tried their hand at this?


Every gardener should make ketchup once in their life. You take a half
a bushel of fresh tomatoes, some vinegar and salt, and a bunch of
expensive sugar and spices. Cook them down for about 6 hours (Careful!
Don't let it burn!) When you're all done, you have a pint or two of
ketchup that's almost as good as the 20 ounce bottle of store-bought
ketchup you could have bought for about $1. HTH :-)

Bob
Ain't that the truth!
We tried our hand at it one year when we had a real glut of tomatoes
but, we ended up with about 12 liters, not one or two pints. And, like
you say, it was almost as good as store bought. The real saving grace
was the fact that a couple of the grandkids liked it better than the
store bought so we were able to unload a bunch.
you lot must either have really excellent supermarket tomato sauce or
really
crap recipes for making it yourself at home. I got a recipe from the guy
across the road this year & made some great tomato suace. Beats the store
bought crap hands down.

rob
I was referring to making ketchup, not tomato sauce. There's a big
difference.
Tomato ketchup - tomato sauce. Never thought there was a difference between
the two. Have a hamburger, a pie or some chips, put the tomato sauce/ketchup
on them. What do you categorise the difference as?
Ketchup is saturated with sugar and has some vinegar too.

Unless you are making home made low carb Ketchup/Catsup!


That might be good, but it's not Ketchup. (Oddly enough, if you use
honey for the sweetener, it doesn't even meet the USDA definition of
ketchup and you have to call it something like "imitation ketchup".)

Bob

In article ,
AZ Nomad wrote:

On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:17:37 +1200, George.com wrote:

wrote in message
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On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:32:48 +1200, "George.com"
wrote:


wrote in message
news On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 13:53:19 -0500, zxcvbob
wrote:

Steve Young wrote:
"Omelet" wrote:

Blanch and peel first. You could also stew them and can them as a
sauce. ;-d

Even turn them into ketchup. Anyone tried their hand at this?



Every gardener should make ketchup once in their life. You take a half
a bushel of fresh tomatoes, some vinegar and salt, and a bunch of
expensive sugar and spices. Cook them down for about 6 hours (Careful!
Don't let it burn!) When you're all done, you have a pint or two of
ketchup that's almost as good as the 20 ounce bottle of store-bought
ketchup you could have bought for about $1. HTH :-)

Bob

Ain't that the truth!
We tried our hand at it one year when we had a real glut of tomatoes
but, we ended up with about 12 liters, not one or two pints. And, like
you say, it was almost as good as store bought. The real saving grace
was the fact that a couple of the grandkids liked it better than the
store bought so we were able to unload a bunch.

you lot must either have really excellent supermarket tomato sauce or
really
crap recipes for making it yourself at home. I got a recipe from the guy
across the road this year & made some great tomato suace. Beats the store
bought crap hands down.

rob

I was referring to making ketchup, not tomato sauce. There's a big
difference.

Tomato ketchup - tomato sauce. Never thought there was a difference between
the two. Have a hamburger, a pie or some chips, put the tomato sauce/ketchup
on them. What do you categorise the difference as?

Ketchup is saturated with sugar and has some vinegar too.

Sweet and sour tomato sauce for foods you don't wanna taste;O)
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wrote:


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On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:32:48 +1200, "George.com"
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wrote in message
news On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 13:53:19 -0500, zxcvbob
wrote:

Steve Young wrote:
"Omelet" wrote:

Blanch and peel first. You could also stew them and can them as a
sauce. ;-d

Even turn them into ketchup. Anyone tried their hand at this?



Every gardener should make ketchup once in their life. You take a half
a bushel of fresh tomatoes, some vinegar and salt, and a bunch of
expensive sugar and spices. Cook them down for about 6 hours (Careful!
Don't let it burn!) When you're all done, you have a pint or two of
ketchup that's almost as good as the 20 ounce bottle of store-bought
ketchup you could have bought for about $1. HTH :-)

Bob

Ain't that the truth!
We tried our hand at it one year when we had a real glut of tomatoes
but, we ended up with about 12 liters, not one or two pints. And, like
you say, it was almost as good as store bought. The real saving grace
was the fact that a couple of the grandkids liked it better than the
store bought so we were able to unload a bunch.

you lot must either have really excellent supermarket tomato sauce or
really
crap recipes for making it yourself at home. I got a recipe from the guy
across the road this year & made some great tomato suace. Beats the store
bought crap hands down.

rob

I was referring to making ketchup, not tomato sauce. There's a big
difference.

Tomato ketchup - tomato sauce. Never thought there was a difference between
the two. Have a hamburger, a pie or some chips, put the tomato sauce/ketchup
on them. What do you categorise the difference as?

rob


Tomato sauce is just tomatoes, peeled, de-seeded, acidified and
reduced.

Tomato sauce rom NCHFP:

Prepare and press as for making tomato juice. Simmer in large-diameter
saucepan until sauce reaches desired consistency Boil until volume is
reduced by about one-third for thin sauce, or by one-half for thick
sauce. Add bottled lemon juice or citric acid to jars.

For lots more work, Tomato ketchup from NCHFP

* 24 lbs ripe tomatoes
* 3 cups chopped onions
* 3/4 tsp ground red pepper (cayenne)
* 3 cups cider vinegar (5 percent)
* 4 tsp whole cloves
* 3 sticks cinnamon, crushed
* 1-1/2 tsp whole allspice
* 3 tbsp celery seeds
* 1-1/2 cups sugar
* 1/4 cup salt
Wash tomatoes. Dip in boiling water for 30 to 60 seconds or until
skins split. Dip in cold water. Slip off skins and remove cores.
Quarter tomatoes into 4-gallon stock pot or a large kettle. Add onions
and red pepper. Bring to boil and simmer 20 minutes, uncovered.
Combine spices in a spice bag and add to vinegar in a 2-quart
saucepan. Bring to boil. Cover, turn off heat and hold tomato mixture
for 20 minutes. Then, remove spice bag and combine vinegar and tomato
mixture. Boil about 30 minutes. Put boiled mixture through a food mill
or sieve. Return to pot. Add sugar and salt, boil gently, and stir
frequently until volume is reduced by one-half or until mixture rounds
up on spoon without separation.

Ross.

In article ,
zxcvbob wrote:

I was referring to making ketchup, not tomato sauce. There's a big
difference.
Tomato ketchup - tomato sauce. Never thought there was a difference
between
the two. Have a hamburger, a pie or some chips, put the tomato
sauce/ketchup
on them. What do you categorise the difference as?
Ketchup is saturated with sugar and has some vinegar too.

Unless you are making home made low carb Ketchup/Catsup!


That might be good, but it's not Ketchup. (Oddly enough, if you use
honey for the sweetener, it doesn't even meet the USDA definition of
ketchup and you have to call it something like "imitation ketchup".)

Bob

If I'm making it for my own use, I can call it whatever I want. g
--
Peace! Om

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
- Edmund Burke (1729 - 1797)

Omelet wrote:
In article ,
zxcvbob wrote:

I was referring to making ketchup, not tomato sauce. There's a big
difference.
Tomato ketchup - tomato sauce. Never thought there was a difference
between
the two. Have a hamburger, a pie or some chips, put the tomato
sauce/ketchup
on them. What do you categorise the difference as?
Ketchup is saturated with sugar and has some vinegar too.
Unless you are making home made low carb Ketchup/Catsup!

That might be good, but it's not Ketchup. (Oddly enough, if you use
honey for the sweetener, it doesn't even meet the USDA definition of
ketchup and you have to call it something like "imitation ketchup".)

Bob

If I'm making it for my own use, I can call it whatever I want. g


I call mine "Alfredo". I called everything I cook "Alfredo". (I
learned that from watching Olive Garden commercials.)

Think I'll go make myself a Bourbon Martini with an orange twist...

;-P

Bob

In article ,
zxcvbob wrote:

Omelet wrote:
In article ,
zxcvbob wrote:

I was referring to making ketchup, not tomato sauce. There's a big
difference.
Tomato ketchup - tomato sauce. Never thought there was a difference
between
the two. Have a hamburger, a pie or some chips, put the tomato
sauce/ketchup
on them. What do you categorise the difference as?
Ketchup is saturated with sugar and has some vinegar too.
Unless you are making home made low carb Ketchup/Catsup!

That might be good, but it's not Ketchup. (Oddly enough, if you use
honey for the sweetener, it doesn't even meet the USDA definition of
ketchup and you have to call it something like "imitation ketchup".)

Bob

If I'm making it for my own use, I can call it whatever I want. g


I call mine "Alfredo". I called everything I cook "Alfredo". (I
learned that from watching Olive Garden commercials.)

Think I'll go make myself a Bourbon Martini with an orange twist...

;-P

Bob

It's not a Martini unless...

Never mind. g
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Peace! Om

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
- Edmund Burke (1729 - 1797)

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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:17:37 +1200, George.com wrote:

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On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:32:48 +1200, "George.com"
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wrote in message
news On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 13:53:19 -0500, zxcvbob
wrote:

Steve Young wrote:
"Omelet" wrote:

Blanch and peel first. You could also stew them and can them as a
sauce. ;-d

Even turn them into ketchup. Anyone tried their hand at this?



Every gardener should make ketchup once in their life. You take a
half
a bushel of fresh tomatoes, some vinegar and salt, and a bunch of
expensive sugar and spices. Cook them down for about 6 hours
(Careful!
Don't let it burn!) When you're all done, you have a pint or two of
ketchup that's almost as good as the 20 ounce bottle of store-bought
ketchup you could have bought for about $1. HTH :-)

Bob

Ain't that the truth!
We tried our hand at it one year when we had a real glut of tomatoes
but, we ended up with about 12 liters, not one or two pints. And, like
you say, it was almost as good as store bought. The real saving grace
was the fact that a couple of the grandkids liked it better than the
store bought so we were able to unload a bunch.

you lot must either have really excellent supermarket tomato sauce or
really
crap recipes for making it yourself at home. I got a recipe from the guy
across the road this year & made some great tomato suace. Beats the
store
bought crap hands down.

rob

I was referring to making ketchup, not tomato sauce. There's a big
difference.

Tomato ketchup - tomato sauce. Never thought there was a difference
between
the two. Have a hamburger, a pie or some chips, put the tomato
sauce/ketchup
on them. What do you categorise the difference as?

Ketchup is saturated with sugar and has some vinegar too.

Thats what we refer to as tomato sauce. Roy across the road gave me a great
recipe for tomato sauce involving sugar, vinegar and various spices. Very
nice stuff.

rob


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wrote:

Steve Young wrote:
"Omelet" wrote:

Blanch and peel first. You could also stew them and can them as a
sauce. ;-d

Even turn them into ketchup. Anyone tried their hand at this?



Every gardener should make ketchup once in their life. You take a
half
a bushel of fresh tomatoes, some vinegar and salt, and a bunch of
expensive sugar and spices. Cook them down for about 6 hours
(Careful!
Don't let it burn!) When you're all done, you have a pint or two of
ketchup that's almost as good as the 20 ounce bottle of store-bought
ketchup you could have bought for about $1. HTH :-)

Bob

Ain't that the truth!
We tried our hand at it one year when we had a real glut of tomatoes
but, we ended up with about 12 liters, not one or two pints. And, like
you say, it was almost as good as store bought. The real saving grace
was the fact that a couple of the grandkids liked it better than the
store bought so we were able to unload a bunch.

you lot must either have really excellent supermarket tomato sauce or
really
crap recipes for making it yourself at home. I got a recipe from the guy
across the road this year & made some great tomato suace. Beats the
store
bought crap hands down.

rob

I was referring to making ketchup, not tomato sauce. There's a big
difference.

Tomato ketchup - tomato sauce. Never thought there was a difference
between
the two. Have a hamburger, a pie or some chips, put the tomato
sauce/ketchup
on them. What do you categorise the difference as?

Ketchup is saturated with sugar and has some vinegar too.

anyhow, we are both talking about the same thing but by different name.
Tomato sauce/tomato ketchup. As I said, you americans must have some really
good mass produced tomato ketchup if it is better than the home made stuff.
The two recipes I have used for tomato sauce beat the mass produced stuff,
the one recipe by some distance.

rob


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Ketchup is saturated with sugar and has some vinegar too.

anyhow, we are both talking about the same thing but by different name.
Tomato sauce/tomato ketchup. As I said, you americans must have some really
good mass produced tomato ketchup if it is better than the home made stuff.
The two recipes I have used for tomato sauce beat the mass produced stuff,
the one recipe by some distance.

We would be if ketchup on the NA contintent didn't mean something that
resembles at least in texture if not necessarily taste, Heinz Ketchup.
--Unless you're creating something like it.

Ketchup used to mean "sauce" IIRC and could be quite varied in flavour
and ingredients. It didn't have to include tomatoes..