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Pepper saga.......... Pepper expert anyone?
"Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "Marie Dodge" wrote: Ironite? You can live without it. Yes, but the plants cannot. Our soil was very low in Iron when tested. Liquid Chelated Iron 32 oz. Price: $10.95 Sulfur Powder 2 lb Price: $4.95 and no heavy metals No heavy metals in the sulfur powder either. -- Billy Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1009916.html |
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Pepper saga.......... Pepper expert anyone?
"Pat Kiewicz" wrote in message ... Marie Dodge said: Why would soap kill them in seconds when it's not a poison? Have you done this yourself with wasps or is this something you read on an organic site selling "magic soaps?" Now you even have me believing you are in this for the trolling. Why? Because I ask questions after taking people's advice here and the products recommended no working? Why can't you accept the truth? Why should people keep going out and buying one product after the other when none worked before? Your ignorance is really surprising since the nymphs of these insects cannot be "washed off" like bits of mud or leaf litter. Lady, soap solution kills insects. Kills them fast. Soap kills earwigs lickety split, even though actual over-the-counter poisons barely slow them down.. You have to be sure to cover them with soap spray. I have personally murdered hosts of earwigs and aphids with soap. And I have accidentally killed a few bees with it. If someone says he's killed wasps with soap spray, I'm inclined to believe him. So non-toxic common soap kills them dead but no one knows this but a few people on Usenet? If soap killed silverleaf-whitefly and 2-spot spider mite dead, it would be well known all over the world by now. Thee two pests alone do millions of dollars worth of damage every year, both in the USA and SA. But no one but a few people here know soap kills them? The only caution is that soap can also damage plant leaves. And the solutionto *that* is to come back around and rinse the plants off after the pests are killed. To use enough pressure to dislodge the nymphs of WF and SMs will itself damage the leaves, shred them if not knock them off the plants completely. So tell them..... how much soap is used per gallon? At sundown I used a new sprayer and sprayed the plants with 1 TBS per gallon soap and 1 TBS per gallon flour as per one of the people here. All the WF and SP should be dead and gone in the morning according to you. You claim the soap will kill them dead whereas the nothing else did. We'll see. Cornell sez: Insecticidal soap products work by smothering soft bodied pests and disrupting their cuticle layer. In order to be effective, it is necessary to thoroughly coat the pest. After the soap dries on the plant surface, insects and mites will not pick up a lethal dose. Soap is cheap. I soaked the plants completely, top and bottom of the all leaves the spray wand reached - right down to the ground. http://www.nysaes.cornell.edu/pp/res...mfs/12soap.php The link above couldn't be reached (see below). I can't wait to read why farmers are losing millions of dollars a year to WF and SP by refusing to use Soap to kill them. Neem Oil is also supposed to kill them. Maybe I'll learn why they're not using that either but rather take great losses. Network Error (tcp_error) A communication error occurred: "Operation timed out" The Web Server may be down, too busy, or experiencing other problems preventing it from responding to requests. You may wish to try again at a later time. -- Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast) After enlightenment, the laundry. |
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Pepper saga.......... Plants were checked.
"jellybean stonerfish" wrote in message ... On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 01:48:58 -0500, Marie Dodge wrote: Why would soap kill them in seconds when it's not a poison? Have you done this yourself with wasps or is this something you read on an organic site selling "magic soaps?" The soap makes the water wetter. It soaks into their skin and they die. I think maybe they breath through their skin and this makes them drown. I don't know what happens, just that the soap kills them, and they are dead. And you don't need special soap for aphids or white flies. Because my friend is worried about chemicals, we used Dr. Bronners on her iris's, and gave them a quick wipe between fingers. Also we misted her mint and rosemary, with now fear of using them in the future. The white fly infestation is now gone. Well I sprayed all three gardens with Soap and flour as suggested here. I had nothng to lose since these products were in my home and are both cheap. We'll see if soap killed them.... in fact I'm taking the flashlight out there now and looking. OK... the plants were sprayed around 7 PM with 1 TBS each of flour and handsoap (Palmolive) per gallon of water in a brand new sprayer with a larger tip. Both sides of the leaves were sprayed. Sprayed were collards, jewel peppers, chard, tomatoes and a Ichabon eggplant. Only the Chard had spider mites and only a few plants are infested so far. The WF and SMs are still there and are alive. I could see them moving, walking over the residue of soap and flour when disturbed. They will not fly at night. They had 6 hours now to suffocate and die. The flour was supposed to somehow kill them also. The whole garden smells faintly of soap but I guess that's better than the Organicide which smelled like fish and didn't kill/smother them either. I'm just wondering what will be said next.... that it's the wrong brand of flour, the wrong kind of soap, wrong brand of soap and flour, wrong aroma, constancy of soap.....? I'm sure you can see my point. The second garden is now being destroyed by these pests and so far nothing had worked. Not one of you purely Organic people have explained why the Neem Oil, the Phyrethrum and the Organicide didn't do them any harm either. What's left to recommend now? How many more organic options are left? Now, about the wasps. My job is construction. Many times, when working at someones house, I will encounter a wasp nest. Someone showed me the soapy water trick many years ago. Fill a pan or large bowl with soapy water. Fling it on the wasp nest. Done. I can't try it on wasps since we don't have any here at the moment. But since the soap and flour didn't kill the WF and SMs, I would have to be out of my mind to toss it on wasps. You really need to tell people to try it on insects not dangerous to themselves before recommending they toss it on wasps. When it fails to kill the wasps as it did the WF and SMs, and the person is stung, they can go into shock and die. stonerfish |
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Pepper saga.......... Pepper expert anyone?
"R M. Watkin" wrote in message ... Hi Marie, "Marie Dodge" wrote in message ... "R M. Watkin" wrote in message ... Try washing up liquid. It is cheap and effective. What is "washing up liquid" and why would it work when the other organic pesticides failed completely? Do you have any sites where experiments were done proving this washing-up-liquid actually works on WF and SP? It is a liquid soap used for washing dishes in the U, K. It works for me that is all I can say. How it works I do not know. Hope this helps you. Do you know what chemicals are in your soap there? The soap here in the USA doesn't kill them. I used Palmolive at the recommended dose. After 7 hours the SMs and WF are still there and still alive. Richard M. Watkin. |
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Pepper saga.......... Pepper expert anyone?
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"Marie Dodge" wrote: Do you know what chemicals are in your soap there? The soap here in the USA doesn't kill them. I used Palmolive at the recommended dose. After 7 hours the SMs and WF are still there and still alive. What a person of your level of resourcefulness needs, Marie, is a grenade launcher, flame thrower and an ample supply of napalm. Or perhaps photon torpedoes launched from the belly of Ferrengi pirate ship. Only cost you 50 quatloos. -- "I will show you fear in a handful of dust" -T.S. Eliot |
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"Isabella Woodhouse" wrote in message ... Isabella BS snip. As of 7 PM tonight the plants sprayed with Palmolive soap and flour are still covered with the mites and whitefly - 24 hours after a thorough drenching. Leaves have slightly oily feel and flour is visible in crevices of leaves. Only difference noticed: The smell of the soap had dissipated. |
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Pepper saga.......... Plants were checked.
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 01:16:49 -0500, Marie Dodge wrote:
"jellybean stonerfish" wrote in message ... On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 01:48:58 -0500, Marie Dodge wrote: Why would soap kill them in seconds when it's not a poison? Have you done this yourself with wasps or is this something you read on an organic site selling "magic soaps?" The soap makes the water wetter. It soaks into their skin and they die. I think maybe they breath through their skin and this makes them drown. I don't know what happens, just that the soap kills them, and they are dead. And you don't need special soap for aphids or white flies. Because my friend is worried about chemicals, we used Dr. Bronners on her iris's, and gave them a quick wipe between fingers. Also we misted her mint and rosemary, with now fear of using them in the future. The white fly infestation is now gone. Well I sprayed all three gardens with Soap and flour as suggested here. I had nothng to lose since these products were in my home and are both cheap. We'll see if soap killed them.... in fact I'm taking the flashlight out there now and looking. Flour? I don't ever remember suggesting flour. Sounds messy. OK... the plants were sprayed around 7 PM with 1 TBS each of flour and handsoap (Palmolive) per gallon of water in a brand new sprayer with a larger tip. Both sides of the leaves were sprayed. Sprayed were collards, jewel peppers, chard, tomatoes and a Ichabon eggplant. Only the Chard had spider mites and only a few plants are infested so far. Ok, so you have some time and a flashlight. Wash the few plants with mites. Then do it again the next night. I don't know what the flour will do, except make things messy. The WF and SMs are still there and are alive. I could see them moving, walking over the residue of soap and flour when disturbed. They will not fly at night. They had 6 hours now to suffocate and die. The flour was supposed to somehow kill them also. The whole garden smells faintly of soap but I guess that's better than the Organicide which smelled like fish and didn't kill/smother them either. I'm just wondering what will be said next.... that it's the wrong brand of flour, the wrong kind of soap, wrong brand of soap and flour, wrong aroma, constancy of soap.....? I'm sure you can see my point. The second garden is now being destroyed by these pests and so far nothing had worked. Not one of you purely Organic people have explained why the Neem Oil, the Phyrethrum and the Organicide didn't do them any harm either. What's left to recommend now? How many more organic options are left? I don't know what to tell you. It seems like the bugs are your enemy. In your other post, where you mention birds, it sounds like they are your enemy too. Maybe you should go with astro-turf. Now, about the wasps. My job is construction. Many times, when You really need to tell people to try it on insects not dangerous to themselves before recommending they toss it on wasps. When it fails to kill the wasps as it did the WF and SMs, and the person is stung, they can go into shock and die. Be afraid, be very afraid..... stonerfish |
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Pepper saga.......... Plants were checked.
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Pepper saga.......... Plants were checked.
In article ,
jellybean stonerfish wrote: Now, about the wasps. My job is construction. Many times, when You really need to tell people to try it on insects not dangerous to themselves before recommending they toss it on wasps. When it fails to kill the wasps as it did the WF and SMs, and the person is stung, they can go into shock and die. Be afraid, be very afraid..... Some wasps are pollinators, aren't they? You kind of have to stay away from certain plants at certain times of the day. Black-eyed peas are a good example. Ours are always full of wasps in the morning. Gosh I hate getting stung by a wasp. It's an awful feeling unlike anything else. I have often accidentally reached for a bumblebee when picking blackberries but at least they start to rumble and buzz as you reach out to touch them. None have yet stung me. They are amazingly soft to the touch... lol. My husband ran over a wasp nest with the tractor and they stung the hell out him. The kind that nests in the ground is rather vicious. Isabella -- "I will show you fear in a handful of dust" -T.S. Eliot |
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Pepper saga.......... Pepper expert anyone?
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"Marie Dodge" wrote: As of 7 PM tonight the plants sprayed with Palmolive soap and flour are still covered with the mites and whitefly - 24 hours after a thorough drenching. Leaves have slightly oily feel and flour is visible in crevices of leaves. Only difference noticed: The smell of the soap had dissipated. Like I said, what a person of your level of resourcefulness needs, Marie, is a grenade launcher, flame thrower and an ample supply of napalm. Even then, it seems unlikely that would work on on such a contaminated, blighted, befouled, soon-to-be designated by the EPA, toxic waste dump like yours. -- "I will show you fear in a handful of dust" -T.S. Eliot |
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