"Penelope Periwinkle" wrote

On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:07:50 -0400, "Steve Young"
bowtieATbrightdslDOTnet wrote:

Not to mention the feast it would provide red worms.
http://www.unclejimswormfarm.com/ind...how_aux_page=3
Wouldn't be long before a pound turns into 10 pounds

So, aren't you concerned about spreading what is considered to be an
invasive species?

Nah, they are most everywhere now.
And they don't like heavy clay soil.
If fed, they pretty much stay put.

On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:02:13 -0400, Bill
wrote:
Penelope Periwinkle wrote:
Bill wrote:
Penelope Periwinkle wrote:

I understand. There doesn't seem to be much sympathy for people on a
budget or people who don't have easy access to organic products; but I
understand where you're coming from.

alt.binaries.pictures.nature

Where the hell did that come from? Or did you not snip correctly? I
don't do binaries.

I have difficulty with the idea of organic soil amendments that have
the word product included.

Why? Not everyone has the time or the free access you appear to have
to organic...er...materials. Should they be banned from trying to
garden organically?

Nonsense.

What's nonsense? That not everybody has free time or free access?
You're the one who expressed difficulty grasping the idea of
commercial organic products, so what are they supposed to use when
they can't sponge free stuff?

...

How to do it becomes the issue. Cover crops, manures, anything once
alive. I favor wood chips as I get them delivered for free. Then there
are the trips about to barber shops to take the waste hair. Making
friends with the local high cafeteria folks to take the garbage.
Keeping those teaming microbes alive and well so we can eat off the top
of the chain.

Maria has already described the steps she takes to incorporate compost
and yard clippings into her garden. I use horse manure, although I
have no one to deliver it, and must find the time to go and load lots
of buckets and trash cans, as many as I can fit into my car. Both of
us still find a need for store bought products once in a while.

I don't use cover crops or green manures because I find the horse
manure already raises the nitrogen in the soil higher than makes me
happy. I can't get yard litter from the city compost pile anymore, it
proved to be such a popular item that the city charges for it, even
for a few grocery bagfuls. Well, I shouldn't say "can't", I could, but
I refuse to pay what they're charging for a product of marginal
quality.

Not only N2 but humus and other stuff.

And? Your point?


As to begging for...um...materials from cafeteria employees, high or
cold sober, for me it's mostly a time issue. Bully for you that you
have the luxury of time to do things like that. I don't right now.

Begging na just saving. You may not have time is a misnomer.

Have a copy of my schedule, do you? Pray tell, where is all this time
you think I have?

Slow and
steady comes to mind and forget instant gratification.

What instant gratification? I have a compost pile; I just don't have
time to loiter outside of cafeterias begging for food scraps.

Takes time and
work your job or your hand.

Work my job or my hand? What if I turn my hand to my job instead of
the excessive masturbation you seem to indulge in.


I would like you to explain the difference to the bacteria, fungi, and
the like between store bought organic products and...uh...materials
you sponged off someone for free?

I provide with less effort.

Less effort for whom? As I pointed out, I don't have time to chat up
stoned cafeteria workers so they'll allow me the privilege of hauling
off their garbage. And, you get wood chips delivered while I have to
go and get my horse manure, so of course you have more time.


Sponged just earned you my disrespect.


I shall weep into my pillow at night.


Penelope

--
"Maybe you'd like to ask the Wizard for a heart."
"ElissaAnn"

On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:08:14 -0400, Bill
wrote:
Penelope Periwinkle wrote:
"Steve Young"bowtieATbrightdslDOTnet wrote:

Not to mention the feast it would provide red worms.
http://www.unclejimswormfarm.com/ind...how_aux_page=3
Wouldn't be long before a pound turns into 10 pounds

So, aren't you concerned about spreading what is considered to be an
invasive species?

Brought over in about 1650. I note the forest has changed due to red
worms and the way the forest recycles leaves. Still 400 years ago? I'd
worry about great lake bilges from world wide shipping traffic.

The forests have not all changed. There was an article in a National
Geographic about a fern whose numbers are dropping in Minnisota, I
think. It's a "canary in the coal mine" for the spread of _Lumbricus
rubellus_.

The recommendations I've found suggest freezing all earthworm castings
for several days to a week to kill the worms and cocoons. I've been
trying to find out more information on native earthworms here in South
Carolina and see if I can adapt some sort of vermiculture to their
use. Other than, you know, the compost piled on the ground.


Penelope
--
"Maybe you'd like to ask the Wizard for a heart."
"ElissaAnn"

On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:31:02 -0400, "Steve Young"
bowtieATbrightdslDOTnet wrote:
"Penelope Periwinkle" wrote
"Steve Young" bowtieATbrightdslDOTnet wrote:

Not to mention the feast it would provide red worms.
http://www.unclejimswormfarm.com/ind...how_aux_page=3
Wouldn't be long before a pound turns into 10 pounds

So, aren't you concerned about spreading what is considered to be an
invasive species?

Nah, they are most everywhere now.
And they don't like heavy clay soil.
If fed, they pretty much stay put.

How can you get completely hysterical about the damage that one
product does to the enviroment but not give a flaming fart about
another product that is causing the extinction of understory
plants in some of our forests?



Penelope

--
You have proven yourself to be the most malicious,
classless person that I've encountered in years.
- "pointed"

On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:29:51 -0400, "Steve Young"
bowtieATbrightdslDOTnet wrote:

"Penelope Periwinkle" wrote
...
Maria has already described the steps she takes to incorporate compost
and yard clippings into her garden.

I use horse manure, although I
have no one to deliver it, and must find the time to go and load lots
of buckets and trash cans, as many as I can fit into my car.

ahh, the beauty of driving an old clunker

Or not.


Both of us still find a need for store bought products
once in a while.

You and your significant other ???

No, the other person in the paragraph that you split up.

...
As to begging for...um...materials from cafeteria employees, high or
cold sober, for me it's mostly a time issue. Bully for you that you
have the luxury of time to do things like that. I don't right now.

Why do you insert your life / lifestyle over that of the thread originator?

Because Bill addressed his comments to me, not to her. Does your
newsreader not thread properly?


She said she was retired. I would think the purpose of this thread is to
discuss all options / alternatives. After all, we landed on greensand as a
better substitute to her original query on Ironite.

I'm sorry, I didn't see the post where she announced she had
found a local dealer.


I would like you to explain the difference to the bacteria, fungi, and
the like between store bought organic products and...uh...materials
you sponged off someone for free?

It's no contest with red worms, they prefer garbage any day. Perhaps you're
foolish enough to feed them store bought produce?

Why do you insert your life/lifestyle over that of Bill, to whom
this was addressed?


Penelope

--
You have proven yourself to be the most malicious,
classless person that I've encountered in years.
- "pointed"

In article ,
Penelope Periwinkle wrote:

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 22:42:05 -0700, Billy
wrote:



I have two computers and can reconstruct the entire interaction, go
intercourse yourself, dear maternal mutt that you are. Bwaha

But apparently you have difficulty reading it. Hence my suggestion to
wipe the spittle off your screen.



However, I accept your admission of being in error despite its
ungracious nature.



Penelope

Not everyone has your lack of social graces. Maybe you could put a sheet
plastic wrap over your screen and then remove it when your spittle load
becomes too thick to read through.

And while you were waxing poetic over your heroin's efforts to face
the cruel vagaries of fate, you might have mentioned to the OP to try
and incorporate small bits of junk iron into their soil to improve its'
iron content or did your expose to rabies affect your mind as well?
;O)

Gardening shouldn't be a great effort, but then maybe some of that
equine manure rubbed off on you.
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1009916.html

In article ,
says...


Why do you insert your life/lifestyle over that of Bill, to whom
this was addressed?

Why bother with this at all?

It's not going to go anywhere, so it's not worth the energy.

Your killfile is your friend.

In article ,
Penelope Periwinkle wrote:

On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:31:02 -0400, "Steve Young"
bowtieATbrightdslDOTnet wrote:
"Penelope Periwinkle" wrote
"Steve Young" bowtieATbrightdslDOTnet wrote:

Not to mention the feast it would provide red worms.
http://www.unclejimswormfarm.com/ind...how_aux_page=3
Wouldn't be long before a pound turns into 10 pounds

So, aren't you concerned about spreading what is considered to be an
invasive species?

Nah, they are most everywhere now.
And they don't like heavy clay soil.
If fed, they pretty much stay put.

How can you get completely hysterical about the damage that one
product does to the enviroment but not give a flaming fart about
another product that is causing the extinction of understory
plants in some of our forests?



Penelope

You really are a steaming pile of equine excrement. He never said that.
you attributed it to him. Do voices tell you these things? Maybe you
should put your foil hat back on, bwahaha ;O)
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1009916.html

"Jangchub" wrote in message
...

Lowe's and Home Depot both sell liquid seaweed. Gardens alive sells
it on their website. Horticultural molasses is not as heavy as baking
molasses and is still black strap with the iron still in it. I spray
about every ten days.

Oh, I use the Ironite once a year. It's turned over with the fertilizer and
organic matter. I'll see what Seaweed costs. I may not be able to afford to
spray a 900 to 100 sq. ft of garden every 10 days with it. To spray the
plants lightly takes 3 to 4 gallons of water. More organic fertilizers are
now being priced outside our budget. I can no longer afford bone and blood
meal. Organic gardening is becoming something for those of higher incomes,
not for the retired.

I don't have a problem with animals eating things in the garden. I'm
not implying you don't have a problem with it, just that I don't. I
am honored they feel safe enough to be here.

I' d be more honored if they ate their natural diet and not my veggies.
Wild turkeys were out under the pear tree today munching on the fallen
pears. Actually we don't suffer too much damage from animals.

Maybe that's why they
don't eat everything? I don't know. My dog when alive ate far more
of my tomatoes than any coon or opossum.

"Pat Kiewicz" wrote in message
...
Marie Dodge said:

They don't sell liquid seaweed where I live. I don't care to start
ordering
things online because the shipping is often as much as the items to be
shipped.

Yes, but some things are cheap at twice the price, and sometimes shipping
is nowhere near equal to the cost of the item shipped (even these days).

Consider Maxicrop seaweed *powder* where you avoid paying to ship
water:

http://www.arbico-organics.com/1313001.html

Get it shipped by priority mail. It's cheaper.

The product is $14.75 and shipping is $11.50 = $27.25!


(I would have recommended The Eclectic Gardener, as a satisfied
customer, but they are sold out of Maxicrop powder. )

http://www.eclectic-gardener.com/maxicroppowder.html


If I ever play and win the Lottery maybe I can afford some of this high
priced organic stuff.


I buy this mail order *even though* I have seen liquid kelp on sale
locally, because it is so much less expensive (in the long run) to buy
the dry powder even considering shipping, and because the dry powder
is so much more convenient to store.

I'm in Lowe's and Home Depot regularly and yet haven't seen any of these
organic fertilizers. Perhaps there isn't enough call for them here. Or
they're so expensive people wont pay the price. Twice I bought the liquid
Iron and twice it turned into a tinny smelling liquid once opened, with
white stuff like scale in it at the bottom. That was when I switched to
Ironite.

--
Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast)

After enlightenment, the laundry.

"polecanoe" wrote in message
...

Arsenic poisins the central nervous system, likewise copper and lead. I'm
not going to say it but...

It's turned under, not left on the surface.


One application of greensand will work for many years, unlike ironite or
seaweed which will quickly break down.


I called all over looking for greensand and no one knew what I was talking
about. I was offered play sand for kids sandboxes and coarse sand to mix
with concrete. The Nursery in a nearby city knew what it was, but they don't
carry it and can't (or wont) order small amounts. The people on this NG
apparently are wealthy enough to buy all these expensive organic products
and have them shipped. I simply cannot afford that. The cost of gardening
would be so prohibitive it wouldn't pay to garden at all. We're lucky we
found the place to get free mulch to compost... only $4 for the gas to get
there and back with a load.

"R M. Watkin" wrote in message
...
Hi All,
What is greensand.?


A mineral rich product people use in gardens.

"Penelope Periwinkle" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:31:34 -0500, "Marie Dodge"
wrote:

"Penelope Periwinkle" wrote:

Hi-Yield Copperas

I think you would have to go to a nursery, not a big box store to get
it. I got it for years from a local organic nursery; but when they
retired, I was still able to get it from a more traditional nursery. I
would just call a few nurseries or plant stores near where you live
and ask if they carry it.

Will do but organic gardening isn't all that popular where I live. When I
tried to get all organic fertilizers I went into sticker shock. The cost
of
blood meal and bone meal are astronomical! You'd think it was gold meal.
People with small gardens can probably afford such prices, those of us
with
larger gardens would have to sell our firstborn sons.


I understand. There doesn't seem to be much sympathy for people on a
budget or people who don't have easy access to organic products; but I
understand where you're coming from.

It's truly shocking what the cost of organic farming/gardening has come to.
= O


Since my fav organic nursery closed two years ago, it's been difficult
to get organic products, and no one place seems to carry more than one
or two, so I end up driving all over the place.

I haven't seen anything here but fish emulsion and can't afford almost $10
for a little bottle of the stuff. It wouldn't be enough for one tomato plant
for the season. I really overspent on insecticides, both organic and
chemical this year due to the WF and spidermites.


Ad not all the big box stores like Lowe's and Home Depot carry all the
same items, so if they don't appear to have a market for organic
products in an area, that store won't carry them. Both the Lowe's and
the Home Depot nearest me don't carry much in the way of organic
products. I have to go to a Home Depot almost 25 miles away to get to
one that does, and even then, the choices are limited. It hard work to
stay organic around here!

That is a trip with the high cost of gas no less.



I really miss my organic nursery, they were always willing to try and
get products that I'd read about on the web, or help me find a
suitable alternative. The biggest problem is finding potting soil
without any fertilizer in it, but that's a whine for another post.

I've learned to make my own potting soil. It's much cheaper than buying
it.
Us retired people have to watch what we spend.

I used to make all my own, but I'm not retired, so free time is the
limiting factor for me.

I have more time and less money. :-)



Penelope
--
"Maybe you'd like to ask the Wizard for a heart."
"ElissaAnn"

"Steve Young" bowtieATbrightdslDOTnet wrote in message
...
Why do you insert your life / lifestyle over that of the thread
originator?
She said she was retired. I would think the purpose of this thread is to
discuss all options / alternatives. After all, we landed on greensand as
a
better substitute to her original query on Ironite.

I cannot find greensand locally. I called every store I could think of that
may carry ... see above. Only one place knew what it was but wont order
small amounts.

"Penelope Periwinkle" wrote in message
news
She said she was retired. I would think the purpose of this thread is to
discuss all options / alternatives. After all, we landed on greensand as
a
better substitute to her original query on Ironite.

I'm sorry, I didn't see the post where she announced she had
found a local dealer.

There are no local dealers. No one has it here. I would have to have it
shipped and that's not feasible.