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Just back from H. Depot and W-Mart. I wanted to buy some garden
fertilizer and a patio tomato. For 10-10-10 fertilizer the price was
just $20.00 for a 40 lb bag (or $0.50/lb) in each store. ISTM that the
price has taken a huge jump this year. IIRC the last time I bought
fertilizer (two years ago) it was about $0.10/lb. Is my memory correct?

For a single patio tomato W-Mart wanted $3.48. The clerk was dumbfounded
when I told her to take it back. My logic goes like this...If I nurture
this plant and it grows well, and sets fruit etc, I can expect to get
about three pounds of fruit from it. This will occur at about the same
time that the Jersey tomato crop comes in and they sell for about
$0.39/lb. So my $3.48 investment and work will return me about $1.00.
Does this seem to be good sense to you?

Could it be that because people cannot afford food the stores are
gouging of gardening stuff? Your thoughts??

EJ in NJ
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Ernie Willson wrote:

Just back from H. Depot and W-Mart. I wanted to buy some garden
fertilizer and a patio tomato. For 10-10-10 fertilizer the price was
just $20.00 for a 40 lb bag (or $0.50/lb) in each store. ISTM that the
price has taken a huge jump this year. IIRC the last time I bought
fertilizer (two years ago) it was about $0.10/lb. Is my memory correct?

For a single patio tomato W-Mart wanted $3.48. The clerk was dumbfounded
when I told her to take it back. My logic goes like this...If I nurture
this plant and it grows well, and sets fruit etc, I can expect to get
about three pounds of fruit from it. This will occur at about the same
time that the Jersey tomato crop comes in and they sell for about
$0.39/lb. So my $3.48 investment and work will return me about $1.00.
Does this seem to be good sense to you?

Could it be that because people cannot afford food the stores are
gouging of gardening stuff? Your thoughts??

EJ in NJ

UPSIDE
Good exercise
Improving the environment by making topsoil
Tomatoes with flavor (not grown for shelf life)
Picking tomato fresh when you want it
No insecticide residue to add to the chemical soup inside you
Good ol' American independence from the system

DOWNSIDE
Buying at infamously employee-unfriendly Wally World
(buy from local nursery instead, keep the money in town)
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html
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Just back from H. Depot and W-Mart. I wanted to buy some garden fertilizer
and a patio tomato. For 10-10-10 fertilizer the price was just $20.00 for
a 40 lb bag (or $0.50/lb) in each store. ISTM that the price has taken a
huge jump this year. IIRC the last time I bought fertilizer (two years
ago) it was about $0.10/lb. Is my memory correct?

For a single patio tomato W-Mart wanted $3.48. The clerk was dumbfounded
when I told her to take it back. My logic goes like this...If I nurture
this plant and it grows well, and sets fruit etc, I can expect to get
about three pounds of fruit from it. This will occur at about the same
time that the Jersey tomato crop comes in and they sell for about
$0.39/lb. So my $3.48 investment and work will return me about $1.00. Does
this seem to be good sense to you?

Could it be that because people cannot afford food the stores are gouging
of gardening stuff? Your thoughts??

EJ in NJ



Where I live they're all carrying the expensive, over-priced Bonni veggie
plants. Since I have a hobby greenhouse and a sunroom, I start my own
veggies for a fraction of the rip-off prices stores charge. I use to start
them in a large south facing window. They do fine.

Yes, fertilizer has gone up in the past 2 or 3 years.

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"Ernie Willson" wrote in message
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Just back from H. Depot and W-Mart. I wanted to buy some garden fertilizer
and a patio tomato. For 10-10-10 fertilizer the price was just $20.00 for
a 40 lb bag (or $0.50/lb) in each store. ISTM that the price has taken a
huge jump this year. IIRC the last time I bought fertilizer (two years
ago) it was about $0.10/lb. Is my memory correct?

For a single patio tomato W-Mart wanted $3.48. The clerk was dumbfounded
when I told her to take it back. My logic goes like this...If I nurture
this plant and it grows well, and sets fruit etc, I can expect to get
about three pounds of fruit from it. This will occur at about the same
time that the Jersey tomato crop comes in and they sell for about
$0.39/lb. So my $3.48 investment and work will return me about $1.00. Does
this seem to be good sense to you?

Could it be that because people cannot afford food the stores are gouging
of gardening stuff? Your thoughts??

EJ in NJ


Try buying organic fertilizer ( I just can't make enough compost for my
needs). A 40 pound bag of Plant tone (5-3-3) is 23.98 here. I usually buy
about 200 pounds. It's a must have as I refuse to use chemicals on my land.

Late last summer I went to buy some cabbage plants for a fall crop. The
price was 3.49 for a 4 cell pack of plants. That's just obscene. I built a
rack large enough to hold 4 flats of plants ( 2 flats on each of 2 levels).
I bought 2 4 foot shop fluorescents and 4 full spectrum tubes for less than
$50 and I'm growing my own plants. I've already planted 4 dozen cabbage, 6
dozen lettuce, 4 dozen broccoli, 2 dozen cauliflower and 2 dozen bulbing
fennel in the garden. I currently have under the lights 1 flat of rhubarb, 1
flat assorted heirloom tomatoes, 1 flat peppers and 1 flat peanuts.

I've probably got less than $75.00 invested including seeds and the rack &
lights should last for years.
Steve


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"Ernie Willson" wrote in message
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Just back from H. Depot and W-Mart. I wanted to buy some garden fertilizer
and a patio tomato. For 10-10-10 fertilizer the price was just $20.00 for
a 40 lb bag (or $0.50/lb) in each store. ISTM that the price has taken a
huge jump this year. IIRC the last time I bought fertilizer (two years
ago) it was about $0.10/lb. Is my memory correct?

For a single patio tomato W-Mart wanted $3.48. The clerk was dumbfounded
when I told her to take it back. My logic goes like this...If I nurture
this plant and it grows well, and sets fruit etc, I can expect to get
about three pounds of fruit from it. This will occur at about the same
time that the Jersey tomato crop comes in and they sell for about
$0.39/lb. So my $3.48 investment and work will return me about $1.00. Does
this seem to be good sense to you?

Could it be that because people cannot afford food the stores are gouging
of gardening stuff? Your thoughts??

EJ in NJ


Makes absolutely imperfect sense. If you were growing for $ profit, you
wouldn't be in the position you are now by having to get a plant from a
retail outlet. So, explain again your goals in the past and now, and why
those 2 might have changed or ignored the current market if not changed...

Corporate America will make a profit off those not independent enough to
anticipate their moves. Last warning for those anticipating growing for
thier own seed...
--
Dave
Dependency on large banks is undermining your, your children's, and
grandchildren's future. Stop hiding behind the numbers and politicians...




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"Dioclese" NONE wrote:

"Ernie Willson" wrote in message
...
Just back from H. Depot and W-Mart. I wanted to buy some garden fertilizer
and a patio tomato. For 10-10-10 fertilizer the price was just $20.00 for
a 40 lb bag (or $0.50/lb) in each store. ISTM that the price has taken a
huge jump this year. IIRC the last time I bought fertilizer (two years
ago) it was about $0.10/lb. Is my memory correct?

For a single patio tomato W-Mart wanted $3.48. The clerk was dumbfounded
when I told her to take it back. My logic goes like this...If I nurture
this plant and it grows well, and sets fruit etc, I can expect to get
about three pounds of fruit from it. This will occur at about the same
time that the Jersey tomato crop comes in and they sell for about
$0.39/lb. So my $3.48 investment and work will return me about $1.00. Does
this seem to be good sense to you?

Could it be that because people cannot afford food the stores are gouging
of gardening stuff? Your thoughts??

EJ in NJ


Makes absolutely imperfect sense. If you were growing for $ profit, you
wouldn't be in the position you are now by having to get a plant from a
retail outlet. So, explain again your goals in the past and now, and why
those 2 might have changed or ignored the current market if not changed...

Corporate America will make a profit off those not independent enough to
anticipate their moves. Last warning for those anticipating growing for
thier own seed...


Translation from the Chamber of Commerce: You snooze. You Lose.
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"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html
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Dave
Dependency on large banks is undermining your, your children's, and
grandchildren's future. Stop hiding behind the numbers and politicians...


This is one of those "fractional entendre" thingies, isn't it, Dave?

Who or what is hiding?

What numbers?

What politicians?

A mind is a terrible thing to lose, Dave.
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

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Jabbering by Dioclese ----- ?
Amen Brother, I've been preachin' this for years and I ain't been
hearing much agreement, 'cept from the few of you.

Charlie

(kinda sorta related, attitudinally anyway)
http://countercurrents.org/keye140409.htm


Nice riff but was listening to a smart sounding feller this afternoon
talking about how the Romans went back to a subsistent, self sufficient
society, just before they went down the tubes. We gotta get all these
smart guys (and gals) together to hash this out before they start
sending mixed messages. Uh, yeah, too late, huh?

And in closing, let me remind you of where Willie Sutton found money.
Slowly, I'm thinking that an unregulated, armed mob, might get some to
sit up and pay attention (not that I would ever advocate that).

Second night in a row that the temps are plunging towards freezing.
Schlept up all my seedling and brought them inside. Gets an ol' man to
wheezing, up and down this hill. Looks like warmer weather from here on
out though. April 15 is or AVERAGE last freeze.
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html
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"Billy" wrote in message
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In article , Charlie wrote:
Jabbering by Dioclese ----- ?
Amen Brother, I've been preachin' this for years and I ain't been
hearing much agreement, 'cept from the few of you.

Charlie

(kinda sorta related, attitudinally anyway)
http://countercurrents.org/keye140409.htm


Nice riff but was listening to a smart sounding feller this afternoon
talking about how the Romans went back to a subsistent, self sufficient
society, just before they went down the tubes.
- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html


Nancy, I mean Billy is revising history again..
--
Dave
April 16th, 2009 Day 1 post Tea Party.
This day in history occurred:
Nancy Pelosi response was undignified per her allegation that such are
funded by right wing money big money and attended exclusively by right wing
extremists.
White House staff indicated that officially not recognizing the nation-wide
gatherings in any fashion.
Some news reporters were found attempting to goad responses from attendees
at the gatherings with response not filling their (some news reporters) TV
political needs. Too bad for them.
Woebama in Mexico. 2nd amendment rights being pinged again. Ignoring
locking down the U.S/Mexico border again.
We thte people...
No political party or otherwise in that.
Locked signature to prevent subsequent historical revisionism.


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Sounds similar to your take on soils with some significant carbon in them
you recently posted. You're still confused by facts and at loss of use of
common sense in making sense of it all. Its okay to be scared, Nancy.

--
Dave
April 16th, 2009 Day 1 post Tea Party.
This day in history occurred:
Nancy Pelosi response was undignified per her allegation that such are
funded by right wing money big money and attended exclusively by right wing
extremists.
White House staff indicated that officially not recognizing the nation-wide
gatherings in any fashion.
Some news reporters were found attempting to goad responses from attendees
at the gatherings with response not filling their (some news reporters) TV
political needs. Too bad for them.
Woebama in Mexico. 2nd amendment rights being pinged again. Ignoring
locking down the U.S/Mexico border again.
We thte people...
No political party or otherwise in that.
Locked signature to prevent subsequent historical revisionism.

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Dioclese" NONE wrote:

Dave
Dependency on large banks is undermining your, your children's, and
grandchildren's future. Stop hiding behind the numbers and
politicians...


This is one of those "fractional entendre" thingies, isn't it, Dave?

Who or what is hiding?

What numbers?

What politicians?

A mind is a terrible thing to lose, Dave.
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html





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Sounds similar to your take on soils with some significant carbon in them
you recently posted. You're still confused by facts and at loss of use of
common sense in making sense of it all. Its okay to be scared, Nancy.

--
Dave
April 16th, 2009 Day 1 post Tea Party.
This day in history occurred:
Nancy Pelosi response was undignified per her allegation that such are
funded by right wing money big money and attended exclusively by right wing
extremists.
White House staff indicated that officially not recognizing the nation-wide
gatherings in any fashion.
Some news reporters were found attempting to goad responses from attendees
at the gatherings with response not filling their (some news reporters) TV
political needs. Too bad for them.
Woebama in Mexico. 2nd amendment rights being pinged again. Ignoring
locking down the U.S/Mexico border again.
We thte people...
No political party or otherwise in that.
Locked signature to prevent subsequent historical revisionism.

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Dioclese" NONE wrote:

Dave
Dependency on large banks is undermining your, your children's, and
grandchildren's future. Stop hiding behind the numbers and
politicians...


This is one of those "fractional entendre" thingies, isn't it, Dave?

Who or what is hiding?

What numbers?

What politicians?

A mind is a terrible thing to lose, Dave.
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html


It's OK everybody. It's just nutty Dave.
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"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html
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"Billy" wrote in message
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In article , Charlie wrote:
Jabbering by Dioclese ----- ?
Amen Brother, I've been preachin' this for years and I ain't been
hearing much agreement, 'cept from the few of you.

Charlie

(kinda sorta related, attitudinally anyway)
http://countercurrents.org/keye140409.htm


Nice riff but was listening to a smart sounding feller this afternoon
talking about how the Romans went back to a subsistent, self sufficient
society, just before they went down the tubes.
- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html


Nancy, I mean Billy is revising history again..


It's OK everybody, it's just Dave, the right-wing nut case, equivocating
as usual. No facts. No logic. Just a sock puppet regurgitating what he
was told to say.

Tea Parties Forever
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/13/op...=1&scp=2&sq=te
a%20party&st=cse

Nice crop of nuts though.

Anybody you'd like us to call Dave?
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is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html
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In article , Charlie wrote:

On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 22:43:36 -0700, Billy
wrote:

In article , Charlie wrote:
Jabbering by Dioclese ----- ?
Amen Brother, I've been preachin' this for years and I ain't been
hearing much agreement, 'cept from the few of you.

Charlie

(kinda sorta related, attitudinally anyway)
http://countercurrents.org/keye140409.htm


Nice riff but was listening to a smart sounding feller this afternoon
talking about how the Romans went back to a subsistent, self sufficient
society, just before they went down the tubes. We gotta get all these
smart guys (and gals) together to hash this out before they start
sending mixed messages. Uh, yeah, too late, huh?


Uh, yeah...I fear so.

And in closing, let me remind you of where Willie Sutton found money.
Slowly, I'm thinking that an unregulated, armed mob, might get some to
sit up and pay attention (not that I would ever advocate that).


Yeah, there might be hell to pay in urban areas. That scenario could
likely play out and I'm damned glad I am pretty far removed from many
of the potential hot spots. What is the figure? Off the top o' me
head, doesn't something like eighty percent of the population of the
US live within two hundred miles of a coast?

Second night in a row that the temps are plunging towards freezing.
Schlept up all my seedling and brought them inside. Gets an ol' man to
wheezing, up and down this hill. Looks like warmer weather from here on
out though. April 15 is or AVERAGE last freeze.


Tired of it we are, no? I was nearly asleep the other night and
remembered that I had some plants toughening up and had to scamper out
in me skivvies and barefeet and haul them in. That old hill is keeping
you truckin', old friend! Shoot, our average last frost date is May
10. Sheesh.

Charlie

"Success in any endeavor requires single-minded attention to detail
and total concentration." -- Willie Sutton


He said it was fun too ;O)
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is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

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Tea Parties Forever
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/13/op...=1&scp=2&sq=te
a%20party&st=cse

Nice crop of nuts though. We got Dave (Dioclese) and Hedda.

http://www.newser.com/article/d97jqi...-salmonella-pe
anut-industry-seeks-govt-help-to-reassure-snackers.html
http://www.fresnobee.com/business/story/1249666.html

Charlie


Been buying organic almonds for years. Never had a problem.
I can see both sides, though. Seems if people are informed, it's their
right to make a choice. The organic label is the only assurance that we
are given, that we aren't buying frankenfood. I can see this as a ploy
to make all food, standardized factory food. Isn't that what we've been
****ing and moaning about, lo these many years?

Now, my feet have gone to sleep and the rest of my body is following.
Buenos noches, amigo.
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is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

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"Billy" wrote in message news:wildbilly-
UPSIDE
Good exercise
Improving the environment by making topsoil
Tomatoes with flavor (not grown for shelf life)
Picking tomato fresh when you want it
No insecticide residue to add to the chemical soup inside you
Good ol' American independence from the system

DOWNSIDE
Buying at infamously employee-unfriendly Wally World
(buy from local nursery instead, keep the money in town)



I couldn't agree more. Fresh food is well worth the extra cost, and if you
can get your initial plants from a local nursery (which will likely be more
expensive than Wal-Mart), then you are helping the community as well.

What I would do is buy a 6-pack of tomatoes instead of one plant. They are
a lot cheaper in the 6-packs, and you'd get more food from them.
--S.

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