I've got some old daylilies that keep coming back in my raspberry
patch and I don't know what to do about them. I can't dig them out
without uprooting all the raspberry canes. Although I've always had an
organic garden I'd like to try hitting them with Roundup but I am
wondering if it will kill the raspberries as well, since they are both
spreading plants and completely intertwined.

In article
,
Diane Whitney wrote:

I've got some old daylilies that keep coming back in my raspberry
patch and I don't know what to do about them. I can't dig them out
without uprooting all the raspberry canes. Although I've always had an
organic garden I'd like to try hitting them with Roundup but I am
wondering if it will kill the raspberries as well, since they are both
spreading plants and completely intertwined.

Troll
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

Diane Whitney wrote:
I've got some old daylilies that keep coming back in my raspberry
patch and I don't know what to do about them. I can't dig them out
without uprooting all the raspberry canes. Although I've always had an
organic garden I'd like to try hitting them with Roundup but I am
wondering if it will kill the raspberries as well, since they are both
spreading plants and completely intertwined.


Get a foam paintbrush and apply a little Roundup concentrate to the
daylily leaves with that. Don't get any on the raspberries. I do that
with dandelions or perennial grasses that come up in the middle of other
plants.

There are a few herbicides that will be released in the soil when the
affected plant dies and poison the surrounding plants (mostly broadleaf
weed killer, I think), but Roundup is not one of 'em.

Bob

Thanks. My understanding was that daylilies use a fair amount of water
and so I assume that they are competing for resources. It's a very
small raspberry patch, about 8 by 8 feet, and these are not pretty
flowering daylilies because they don't have the room. Instead it's
just the foliage interspersed with the canes. I was just worried that
the herbicide would somehow migrate to the raspberries because they
are so intertwined and couldn't find an answer to that on the Roundup
web site.

In article 868156ec-4145-4d13-ba44-
, says...
I've got some old daylilies that keep coming back in my raspberry
patch and I don't know what to do about them. I can't dig them out
without uprooting all the raspberry canes. Although I've always had an
organic garden I'd like to try hitting them with Roundup but I am
wondering if it will kill the raspberries as well, since they are both
spreading plants and completely intertwined.


Why do you consider this a problem?

Do the raspberries seem to be suffering from their proximity with the
daylilies?

In article ,
zxcvbob wrote:

Diane Whitney wrote:
I've got some old daylilies that keep coming back in my raspberry
patch and I don't know what to do about them. I can't dig them out
without uprooting all the raspberry canes. Although I've always had an
organic garden I'd like to try hitting them with Roundup but I am
wondering if it will kill the raspberries as well, since they are both
spreading plants and completely intertwined.


Get a foam paintbrush and apply a little Roundup concentrate to the
daylily leaves with that. Don't get any on the raspberries. I do that
with dandelions or perennial grasses that come up in the middle of other
plants.

There are a few herbicides that will be released in the soil when the
affected plant dies and poison the surrounding plants (mostly broadleaf
weed killer, I think), but Roundup is not one of 'em.

Bob

And how much larger are raspberry bushes than day lillies?

You poison dandelions? Lord Almighty child, what's wrong with you?

http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants....cum+officinale
Taraxacum officinale - Weber.

Dandelion

A very nutritious food, 100g of the raw leaves contain about 2.7g.
protein, 9.2g. carbohydrate, 187mg Calcium, 66mg phosphorus, 3.1mg iron,
76mg sodium, 397mg potassium, 36mg magnesium, 14000iu vitamin A, 0.19mg
vitamin B1, 0.26mg vitamin B2, 35mg vitamin C[173]. Root - raw or
cooked[5, 9, 12, 183]. Bitter. A turnip-like flavour[159]. Flowers - raw
or cooked[102, 159]. A rather bitter flavour[K], the unopened flower
buds can be used in fritters[183] and they can also be preserved in
vinegar and used like capers[7]. Both the leaves and the roots are used
to flavour herbal beers and soft drinks such as 'Dandelion and
Burdock'[238]. The roots of 2 year old plants are harvested in the
autumn, dried and roasted to make a very good coffee substitute[2, 4, 5,
12, 54, 159]. It is caffeine-free[213]. A pleasant tea is made from the
flowers[12, 102]. They are also used to make wine - all green parts
should be removed when making wine to prevent a bitter flavour[238]. The
leaves and the roots can also be used to make tea.

Medicinal Uses

Aperient; Cholagogue; Depurative; Diuretic; Hepatic; Laxative;
Stomachic; Tonic; Warts.

The dandelion is a commonly used herbal remedy. It is especially
effective and valuable as a diuretic because it contains high levels of
potassium salts and therefore can replace the potassium that is lost
from the body when diuretics are used[238]. All parts of the plant, but
especially the root, are slightly aperient, cholagogue, depurative,
strongly diuretic, hepatic, laxative, stomachic and tonic[4, 7, 9, 21,
54, 165, 176, 222, 238]. The root is also experimentally cholagogue,
hypoglycaemic and a weak antibiotic against yeast infections[222]. The
dried root has a weaker action[222]. The roots can be used fresh or
dried and should be harvested in the autumn when 2 years old[4]. The
leaves are harvested in the spring when the plant is in flower and can
be dried for later use[9]. A tea can be made from the leaves or, more
commonly, from the roots[213]. The plant is used internally in the
treatment of gall bladder and urinary disorders, gallstones, jaundice,
cirrhosis, dyspepsia with constipation, oedema associated with high
blood pressure and heart weakness, chronic joint and skin complaints,
gout, eczema and acne[238]. The plant has an antibacterial action,
inhibiting the growth of Staphylococcus aureus, Pneumococci,
Meningococci, Bacillus dysenteriae, B. typhi, C. diphtheriae, Proteus
etc[176]. The latex contained in the plant sap can be used to remove
corns, warts and verrucae[7]. The latex has a specific action on
inflammations of the gall bladder and is also believed to remove stones
in the liver[7]. A tea made from the leaves is laxative[222].
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

"Billy" wrote in message news:wildbilly-
You poison dandelions? Lord Almighty child, what's wrong with you?

My husband used to try to poison dandelions, but I threw a fit until he let
me remove them by hand. And then he discovered dandelion wine. Now, not
only does he love dandelions, but he even leaves the very biggest and best
ones in the yard so that next year's crop will be better!
--S.

In article
,
Diane Whitney wrote:

Thanks. My understanding was that daylilies use a fair amount of water
and so I assume that they are competing for resources. It's a very
small raspberry patch, about 8 by 8 feet, and these are not pretty
flowering daylilies because they don't have the room. Instead it's
just the foliage interspersed with the canes. I was just worried that
the herbicide would somehow migrate to the raspberries because they
are so intertwined and couldn't find an answer to that on the Roundup
web site.

What causes overkill? Under-think.

In America today you can murder land for private profit.* You can leave
the corpse for all to see, and nobody calls the cops.* ~Paul Brooks, The
Pursuit of Wilderness, 1971
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

In article , Charlie wrote:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:30:48 -0700, Billy
wrote:

In article ,
zxcvbob wrote:

Diane Whitney wrote:
I've got some old daylilies that keep coming back in my raspberry
patch and I don't know what to do about them. I can't dig them out
without uprooting all the raspberry canes. Although I've always had an
organic garden I'd like to try hitting them with Roundup but I am
wondering if it will kill the raspberries as well, since they are both
spreading plants and completely intertwined.


Get a foam paintbrush and apply a little Roundup concentrate to the
daylily leaves with that. Don't get any on the raspberries. I do that
with dandelions or perennial grasses that come up in the middle of other
plants.

There are a few herbicides that will be released in the soil when the
affected plant dies and poison the surrounding plants (mostly broadleaf
weed killer, I think), but Roundup is not one of 'em.

Bob

And how much larger are raspberry bushes than day lillies?

You poison dandelions? Lord Almighty child, what's wrong with you?

Youngsters nowadays......

Why poison daylilies? All parts of the common daylily are edible.

http://www.ehow.com/how_4466550_eat-...lis-fulva.html

Charlie

Santos hermano, if food doesn't come wrapped in plastic with a price tag
on it, these young'uns would starve to death. Food and medicine, and
they can't see it.
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

In article
,
Billy wrote:

Santos hermano, if food doesn't come wrapped in plastic with a price tag
on it, these young'uns would starve to death. Food and medicine, and
they can't see it.

Blind Trust in the system that is primarily capital oriented. Taught
in our education system as best practice. If the idea that food is the
best medicine ever hits the TV many capital ventures would rot away. If
food is the best med how do we get the best food. Fresh is a lot more
than use by date.
My answer small commerce. Small is beautiful obviously had a small
audience. Schmacher (sp) thanks for the vision.

Bill

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

Not all who wander are lost.
- J.R.R. Tolkien (1892-1973)

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:59:27 -0700 (PDT), Diane Whitney
wrote:

Thanks. My understanding was that daylilies use a fair amount of water
and so I assume that they are competing for resources. It's a very
small raspberry patch, about 8 by 8 feet, and these are not pretty
flowering daylilies because they don't have the room. Instead it's
just the foliage interspersed with the canes. I was just worried that
the herbicide would somehow migrate to the raspberries because they
are so intertwined and couldn't find an answer to that on the Roundup
web site.

Why not just cut the foliage of the day lillies to the ground? They'll
die back on their own, I would think.

Kate

In article ,
Rick wrote:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:59:27 -0700 (PDT), Diane Whitney
wrote:

Thanks. My understanding was that daylilies use a fair amount of water
and so I assume that they are competing for resources. It's a very
small raspberry patch, about 8 by 8 feet, and these are not pretty
flowering daylilies because they don't have the room. Instead it's
just the foliage interspersed with the canes. I was just worried that
the herbicide would somehow migrate to the raspberries because they
are so intertwined and couldn't find an answer to that on the Roundup
web site.

Roundup won't migrate, as has been said. However, it is pretty hard
to kill any bulb plant with any pesticide as they have large reserves.
Is it possible to just keep trimming (cut off leaves at ground level)
the day lilies? After a few trims they will use all their food stores
and die. It may be more effective than the roundup (which, BTW, I use
for control of invasives).

http://todayyesterdayandtomorrow.wor...ensored-news-t
he-lethal-dangers-of-roundup-made-by-monsanto/

Genetically Modified Foods, The Silent Killer
Previously! Censored Information, Healthy Sources of Genetically
Modified Free Foods and Drinks, and Those to Avoid

CENSORED News - The Lethal Dangers of "Roundup" Made by Monsanto
June 8, 2007 in Agriculture, CENSORED, Cancer, Crops, Eating Can Kill
You, Food, Genetically Engineered, Genetically Modified, Glyphosate,
Health, Insecticide, Monsanto, Pesticide, Roundup | Tags: CHEE YOKE
HEONG, Eric Seralini, Genetically Modified food, GM food, GMO, Lethal,
miscarriage, premature birth, Rick Relyea, Robert Belle, Transgenic,
weed killer, weedkiller

New Evidence Establishes Dangers of Monsanto's Roundup Weed Killer
Sources:
Third World Resurgence, No. 176, April 2005
Title: "New Evidence of Dangers of Roundup Weedkiller"
Author: Chee Yoke Heong
Faculty Evaluator: Jennifer While
Student Researchers: Peter McArthur and Lani Ready
New studies from both sides of the Atlantic reveal that Roundup, the
most widely used weed killer in the world, poses serious human health
threats.
More than 75 percent of genetically modified (GM) crops are engineered
to tolerate the absorption of Roundup; it eliminates all plants that are
not Genetically Modified.
Monsanto Inc., the major engineer of GMO crops, is also the producer of
Roundup.
Thus, while Roundup was formulated as a weapon against weeds, it has
also become a prevalent ingredient within most of our food crops.
Three recent studies show that Roundup, which is used by farmers and
home gardeners, is not the safe product we have been led to trust.
A group of scientists led by biochemist Professor Gilles-Eric Seralini
from the University of Caen in France found that human placental cells
are very sensitive to Roundup at concentrations even lower than those
currently used in agricultural application.
An epidemiological study of Ontario farming populations showed that
exposure to glyphosate, the key ingredient in Roundup, nearly doubled
the risk of late miscarriages.
Professor Gilles-Eric Seralini and his team decided to research the
effects of the Roundup herbicide on human placenta cells.
Their study confirmed the toxicity of glyphosate, as after only eighteen
hours of exposure at low concentrations, large proportions of human
placenta began to die.
Professor Gilles-Eric Seralini suggests that this may explain the high
levels of premature births and miscarriages observed among female
farmers using glyphosate/Roundup.
Professor Gilles-Eric Seralini's team further compared the toxic effects
of the Roundup formula (the most common commercial formulation of
glyphosate and chemical additives) to the isolated active ingredient,
glyphosate.
They found that the toxic effect increases in the presence of Roundup
'adjuvants' or additives. These additives thus have a facilitating role,
rendering Roundup twice as toxic as its isolated active ingredient,
glyphosate.
Another study, released in April 2005 by the University of Pittsburgh,
suggests that Roundup is a danger to other life-forms and non-target
organisms. Biologist Rick Relyea found that Roundup is extremely lethal
to amphibians.
In what is considered one of the most extensive studies on the effects
of pesticides on nontarget organisms in a natural setting, Biologist
Rick Relyea found that Roundup caused a 70 percent decline in amphibian
biodiversity and an 86 percent decline in the total mass of tadpoles.
Leopard frog tadpoles and gray tree frog tadpoles were nearly eliminated.
In 2002, a scientific team led by Robert Belle of the National Center
for Scientific Research (CNRS) biological station in Roscoff, France
showed that Roundup activates one of the key stages of cellular division
that can potentially lead to cancer.
Robert Belle and his team have been studying the impact of glyphosate
formulations on sea urchin cells for several years.
The team has recently demonstrated in Toxicological Science (December
2004) that a "control point" for DNA damage was affected by Roundup,
while glyphosate alone had no effect.
"We have shown that it's a definite risk factor, but we have not
evaluated the number of cancers potentially induced, nor the time frame
within which they would declare themselves," Robert Belle acknowledges.
There is, indeed, direct evidence that glyphosate inhibits an important
process called RNA transcription in animals, at a concentration well
below the level that is recommended for commercial spray application.
There is also new research that shows that brief exposure to commercial
glyphosate causes liver damage in rats, as indicated by the leakage of
intracellular liver enzymes. The research indicates that glyphosate and
its surfactant in Roundup were found to act in synergy to increase
damage to the liver.
UPDATE BY CHEE YOKE HEONG
Roundup Ready weed killer is one of the most widely used weed killers in
the world for crops and backyard gardens.
Roundup, with its active ingredient glyphosate, has long been promoted
as safe for humans and the environment while effective in killing weeds.
It is therefore significant when recent studies show that Roundup is not
as safe as its promoters claim.
This has major consequences, as the bulk of commercially planted
genetically modified crops are designed to tolerate glyphosate (and
especially Roundup), and independent field data already shows a trend of
increasing use of the herbicide.
This goes against industry claims that herbicide use will drop and that
these plants will thus be more "environment-friendly." Now it has been
found that there are serious health effects, too.
Their story therefore aimed to highlight these new findings and their
implications to health and the environment.
Not surprisingly, Monsanto came out refuting some of the findings of the
studies mentioned in the article. What ensued was an open exchange
between Dr. Rick Relyea and Monsanto, whereby the former stood his
grounds.
Otherwise, to my knowledge, no studies have since emerged on Roundup.
For more information look to the following sources:
Professor Gilles-Eric,
Biosafety Information Center, biosafety-info.net
Institute of Science in Society, i-sis.org.uk
CENSORED NEWS - THE LETHAL DANGERS OF "ROUNDUP" MADE BY MONSANTO
---
Additionally, plants exposed to Round-up (especially in mono-cultures),
do start developing a resistance to it, which then requires more Round
-up be sprayed.

Lastly, Monsanto is the enemy. They want us dependent on them. Boycott
Monsanto.
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

Charlie wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:11:48 -0700, Billy
wrote:

In article , Charlie wrote:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:30:48 -0700, Billy
wrote:

In article ,
zxcvbob wrote:

Diane Whitney wrote:
I've got some old daylilies that keep coming back in my raspberry
patch and I don't know what to do about them. I can't dig them out
without uprooting all the raspberry canes. Although I've always had an
organic garden I'd like to try hitting them with Roundup but I am
wondering if it will kill the raspberries as well, since they are both
spreading plants and completely intertwined.

Get a foam paintbrush and apply a little Roundup concentrate to the
daylily leaves with that. Don't get any on the raspberries. I do that
with dandelions or perennial grasses that come up in the middle of other
plants.

There are a few herbicides that will be released in the soil when the
affected plant dies and poison the surrounding plants (mostly broadleaf
weed killer, I think), but Roundup is not one of 'em.

Bob
And how much larger are raspberry bushes than day lillies?

You poison dandelions? Lord Almighty child, what's wrong with you?
Youngsters nowadays......

Why poison daylilies? All parts of the common daylily are edible.

http://www.ehow.com/how_4466550_eat-...lis-fulva.html

Charlie
Santos hermano, if food doesn't come wrapped in plastic with a price tag
on it, these young'uns would starve to death. Food and medicine, and
they can't see it.


"A man may esteem himself happy when that which is his food is also
his medicine." -Henry David Thoreau


Once again we find wisdom in the truths spoken by the Elders.

Is it possible to "uneducate" the masses and instill any common sense
in the vacuum that would remain?

I see our monsatano rep has shown up in this thread to try and quiet
any doubts that may have been sown about poison. He's also going to
work on Tim, who appears to be a possible initiate into the dark side.

Charlie (two quotes for the price of one today)

"Let thy food be thy medicine and thy medicine be thy food."----
Hippocrates (460-377 B.C.)

Come on...I didn't even post today, how can I get in poo?

--
Tim

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ "Strange days indeed." +
+ Dr. Winston O'Boogie +
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

In article ,
Tim wrote:

Charlie wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:11:48 -0700, Billy
wrote:

In article , Charlie wrote:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:30:48 -0700, Billy
wrote:

In article ,
zxcvbob wrote:

Diane Whitney wrote:
I've got some old daylilies that keep coming back in my raspberry
patch and I don't know what to do about them. I can't dig them out
without uprooting all the raspberry canes. Although I've always had an
organic garden I'd like to try hitting them with Roundup but I am
wondering if it will kill the raspberries as well, since they are both
spreading plants and completely intertwined.

Get a foam paintbrush and apply a little Roundup concentrate to the
daylily leaves with that. Don't get any on the raspberries. I do that
with dandelions or perennial grasses that come up in the middle of
other
plants.

There are a few herbicides that will be released in the soil when the
affected plant dies and poison the surrounding plants (mostly broadleaf
weed killer, I think), but Roundup is not one of 'em.

Bob
And how much larger are raspberry bushes than day lillies?

You poison dandelions? Lord Almighty child, what's wrong with you?
Youngsters nowadays......

Why poison daylilies? All parts of the common daylily are edible.

http://www.ehow.com/how_4466550_eat-...lis-fulva.html

Charlie
Santos hermano, if food doesn't come wrapped in plastic with a price tag
on it, these young'uns would starve to death. Food and medicine, and
they can't see it.


"A man may esteem himself happy when that which is his food is also
his medicine." -Henry David Thoreau


Once again we find wisdom in the truths spoken by the Elders.

Is it possible to "uneducate" the masses and instill any common sense
in the vacuum that would remain?

I see our monsatano rep has shown up in this thread to try and quiet
any doubts that may have been sown about poison. He's also going to
work on Tim, who appears to be a possible initiate into the dark side.

Charlie (two quotes for the price of one today)

"Let thy food be thy medicine and thy medicine be thy food."----
Hippocrates (460-377 B.C.)

Come on...I didn't even post today, how can I get in poo?

Just gifted I suppose.
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

Billy wrote:
In article ,
Tim wrote:

Charlie wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:11:48 -0700, Billy
wrote:

In article , Charlie wrote:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:30:48 -0700, Billy
wrote:

In article ,
zxcvbob wrote:

Diane Whitney wrote:
I've got some old daylilies that keep coming back in my raspberry
patch and I don't know what to do about them. I can't dig them out
without uprooting all the raspberry canes. Although I've always had an
organic garden I'd like to try hitting them with Roundup but I am
wondering if it will kill the raspberries as well, since they are both
spreading plants and completely intertwined.
Get a foam paintbrush and apply a little Roundup concentrate to the
daylily leaves with that. Don't get any on the raspberries. I do that
with dandelions or perennial grasses that come up in the middle of
other
plants.

There are a few herbicides that will be released in the soil when the
affected plant dies and poison the surrounding plants (mostly broadleaf
weed killer, I think), but Roundup is not one of 'em.

Bob
And how much larger are raspberry bushes than day lillies?

You poison dandelions? Lord Almighty child, what's wrong with you?
Youngsters nowadays......

Why poison daylilies? All parts of the common daylily are edible.

http://www.ehow.com/how_4466550_eat-...lis-fulva.html

Charlie
Santos hermano, if food doesn't come wrapped in plastic with a price tag
on it, these young'uns would starve to death. Food and medicine, and
they can't see it.

"A man may esteem himself happy when that which is his food is also
his medicine." -Henry David Thoreau


Once again we find wisdom in the truths spoken by the Elders.

Is it possible to "uneducate" the masses and instill any common sense
in the vacuum that would remain?

I see our monsatano rep has shown up in this thread to try and quiet
any doubts that may have been sown about poison. He's also going to
work on Tim, who appears to be a possible initiate into the dark side.

Charlie (two quotes for the price of one today)

"Let thy food be thy medicine and thy medicine be thy food."----
Hippocrates (460-377 B.C.)
Come on...I didn't even post today, how can I get in poo?

Just gifted I suppose.
lol...Thanks.

--
Tim

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ "Strange days indeed." +
+ Dr. Winston O'Boogie +
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++