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If you have any interest in heirloom apples (you know, the ugly ones that
taste unbelievably good) you have to check out:
http://www.bighorsecreekfarm.com/ . They have over 300 varieties. I'm gonna
need more land.
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Steve Peek wrote:
If you have any interest in heirloom apples (you know, the ugly ones that
taste unbelievably good) you have to check out:
http://www.bighorsecreekfarm.com/ . They have over 300 varieties. I'm gonna
need more land.
Steve


Steve,

I checked out their web site and they offer four rootstocks of various
sizes. What was not clear was the possibility of selecting a
particular rootstock with a given variety. There must be a way to
do that, but I couldn't figure it out.

These people appear to be strictly organic, which is fine whenever
possible. However, certain pests like Plum Curculio, Apple Maggot,
and Coddling Moths probably will require something stronger than
Rotenone, say Imidan.

Sherwin
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Steve Peek wrote:
If you have any interest in heirloom apples (you know, the ugly ones that
taste unbelievably good) you have to check out:
http://www.bighorsecreekfarm.com/ . They have over 300 varieties. I'm
gonna need more land.
Steve

Steve,

I checked out their web site and they offer four rootstocks of various
sizes. What was not clear was the possibility of selecting a
particular rootstock with a given variety. There must be a way to
do that, but I couldn't figure it out.


They do offer the option of selecting rootstocks.
These people appear to be strictly organic, which is fine whenever
possible. However, certain pests like Plum Curculio, Apple Maggot,
and Coddling Moths probably will require something stronger than
Rotenone, say Imidan.

Sherwin


Some of us do make organic gardening work quite well thank you.


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They do offer the option of selecting rootstocks.
These people appear to be strictly organic, which is fine whenever
possible. However, certain pests like Plum Curculio, Apple Maggot,
and Coddling Moths probably will require something stronger than
Rotenone, say Imidan.

Sherwin


Guess most folks know about Rotenone and Parkinson¹s ?

Bill

1: Neurobiol Dis. 2009 May;34(2):279-90.
Links

A highly reproducible rotenone model of Parkinson's disease.
Cannon JR, Tapias V, Na HM, Honick AS, Drolet RE, Greenamyre JT.
Pittsburgh Institute for Neurodegenerative Diseases, Department of
Neurology, University of Pittsburgh, PA 15260, USA.
The systemic rotenone model of Parkinson's disease (PD) accurately
replicates many aspects of the pathology of human PD and has provided
insights into the pathogenesis of PD. The major limitation of the
rotenone model has been its variability, both in terms of the percentage
of animals that develop a clear-cut nigrostriatal lesion and the extent
of that lesion. The goal here was to develop an improved and highly
reproducible rotenone model of PD. In these studies, male Lewis rats in
three age groups (3, 7 or 12-14 months) were administered rotenone (2.75
or 3.0 mg/kg/day) in a specialized vehicle by daily intraperitoneal
injection. All rotenone-treated animals developed bradykinesia, postural
instability, and/or rigidity, which were reversed by apomorphine,
consistent with a lesion of the nigrostriatal dopamine system. Animals
were sacrificed when the PD phenotype became debilitating. Rotenone
treatment caused a 45% loss of tyrosine hydroxylase-positive substantia
nigra neurons and a commensurate loss of striatal dopamine.
Additionally, in rotenone-treated animals, alpha-synuclein and
poly-ubiquitin positive aggregates were observed in dopamine neurons of
the substantia nigra. In summary, this version of the rotenone model is
highly reproducible and may provide an excellent tool to test new
neuroprotective strategies.
PMID: 19385059 [PubMed - in process]

Related articles
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dopaminergic degeneration and alpha-synuclein aggregation.
Exp Neurol. 2003 Jan; 179(1):9-16.
[Exp Neurol. 2003]
Melatonin reduces the neuronal loss, downregulation of dopamine
transporter, and upregulation of D2 receptor in rotenone-induced
parkinsonian rats.
J Pineal Res. 2008 Mar; 44(2):205-13.
[J Pineal Res. 2008]
Neurodegeneration of mouse nigrostriatal dopaminergic system
induced by repeated oral administration of rotenone is prevented by
4-phenylbutyrate, a chemical chaperone.
J Neurochem. 2007 Jun; 101(6):1491-1504.
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sherwin dubren wrote:

Steve Peek wrote:
If you have any interest in heirloom apples (you know, the ugly ones that
taste unbelievably good) you have to check out:
http://www.bighorsecreekfarm.com/ . They have over 300 varieties. I'm gonna
need more land.
Steve


Steve,

I checked out their web site and they offer four rootstocks of various
sizes. What was not clear was the possibility of selecting a
particular rootstock with a given variety. There must be a way to
do that, but I couldn't figure it out.

These people appear to be strictly organic, which is fine whenever
possible. However, certain pests like Plum Curculio, Apple Maggot,
and Coddling Moths probably will require something stronger than
Rotenone, say Imidan.

Sherwin


Shelly and Sherwin-doo, back together again. I thought life was too
sweet.

Never figured out IPM? Still spraying poisons around to pollute the
environment?

Imidan 70-W

Active Ingredient:
Phosmet (70.0%)

Chemical Class:
Organophosphorous Pesticide ( nerve gas. It may not be toxic to you
but their may be pregnancies or small children in your area.))

ECOLOGICAL INFORMATION
Summary of Effects
Phosmet
This pesticide is toxic to fish and wildlife. For terrestrial uses, do
not apply directly to water, to areas where surface water is present or
to intertidal areas below the mean high water mark. Do not contaminate
water by cleaning of equipment or disposal of wastes. Drift and runoff
from treated areas may be hazardous to aquatic organisms in adjacent
aquatic sites. This product is toxic to bees exposed to direct
treatment. Do not apply this product while bees are actively visiting
the treatment area.
http://www.gowanco.com/ProductInfo~p...an%2070-W.aspx

Anyone with apples, may want to look at:
Pests of the Garden and Small Farm: A Grower's Guide to Using Less
Pesticide, Second edition
by Mary Louise Flint
http://www.amazon.com/Pests-Garden-S...0520218108/ref
=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1241540176&sr=1-1
although it is primarily for orchards in California,

or browse the IPM books at Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b?...pbooks&field-k
eywords=Integrated+Pest+Management+for+Apples&x=12 &y=20
and then see if they aren't available from the library.

For coddling moth see
http://www.gardensalive.com/article....&sid=143411&gc
lid=COe1qI_WpZoCFShRagod9RpU9g&bhcd2=1241543555

For Apple Maggot see
http://gardening.wsu.edu/library/tree006/tree006.htm

Sure, insecticides may be more thorough in eradicating the pest but it
poisons the environment, kills off pollinators, kills off fish which may
surpress mosquitos, and is a threat to human embryos, and small children.

IPM may not eradicate garden and orchard pests, it will make them more
manageable, preserve the environment, and give you and your's food free
from unnatural chemicals, about which we are still trying to figure out
the consequences of our living with them.

If you find that insecticides are the only way you have of growing a
given crop, you may want to re-think, if that crop is that important to
you and the planet.

Good going doo. Sorry to see you back.
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"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html


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Billy wrote:
In article ,
sherwin dubren wrote:

Steve Peek wrote:
If you have any interest in heirloom apples (you know, the ugly ones that
taste unbelievably good) you have to check out:
http://www.bighorsecreekfarm.com/ . They have over 300 varieties. I'm gonna
need more land.
Steve


Steve,

I checked out their web site and they offer four rootstocks of various
sizes. What was not clear was the possibility of selecting a
particular rootstock with a given variety. There must be a way to
do that, but I couldn't figure it out.

These people appear to be strictly organic, which is fine whenever
possible. However, certain pests like Plum Curculio, Apple Maggot,
and Coddling Moths probably will require something stronger than
Rotenone, say Imidan.

Sherwin


Shelly and Sherwin-doo, back together again. I thought life was too
sweet.

Never figured out IPM? Still spraying poisons around to pollute the
environment?


Well Billygoat,

You are obviously not competent to use these chemicals and should stay
away from them for your own health's sake.

Hope you enjoy all those apples with the worms inside.


Sherwin

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Billygoat,

By the way, you are probably putting out more pollutants from your
automobiles than our occasional spraying. I suggest you lock them in
your garage before you kill us all.

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Billygoat,

By the way, you are probably putting out more pollutants from your
automobiles than our occasional spraying. I suggest you lock them in
your garage before you kill us all.

Sherwin


Doo head, all I'm asking is that when you recommend a chemical that you
list the downside of that chemical. The is no probably in extremely
toxic to birds and fish. But you are the doo man, and you doo, that
doo-doo, that you doo so well.

Aw, you went and made me Gruff again.
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html
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Billy wrote:
In article ,
sherwin dubren wrote:

Billygoat,

By the way, you are probably putting out more pollutants from your
automobiles than our occasional spraying. I suggest you lock them in
your garage before you kill us all.

Sherwin


Doo head, all I'm asking is that when you recommend a chemical that you
list the downside of that chemical. The is no probably in extremely
toxic to birds and fish. But you are the doo man, and you doo, that
doo-doo, that you doo so well.

Aw, you went and made me Gruff again.


I suggest you see a neurologist to treat your 'do do' problem.

Also, what do you want me to say? Sure, drinking these chemicals
is not recommended. Wearing protective breathing and clothing is.

Also, if you dump your excess chemicals in a water run off, or some
lake it would do damage. Proper handling and disposal is the order
of the day.

If you are addressing your concerns to the backyard orchardist who
probably has about a dozen or so trees, I see no great effect on the
environment. Are you aware that many of these chemicals break down
and are burn't off in the sun? Imidan is one of them. Sevin, on
the other hand, lingers on for some time, so I don't use it.

One jet plane taking off probably spews more polution to the
environment than dozens, if not hundreds of hobby orchardists.
If you want to go after the commercial orchards, most of them
take proper precautions. Since their use of chemicals is on a
much larger scale, their effect could be significant, if the
chemicals are not handled and disposed of properly.

You have to get the public and backyard orchardists to give up
clean unattacked fruit. I know certain varieties can be grown
organically, but they usually are not the best tasting ones.

Sherwin
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In article ,
sherwin dubren wrote:

Billy wrote:
In article ,
sherwin dubren wrote:

Billygoat,

By the way, you are probably putting out more pollutants from your
automobiles than our occasional spraying. I suggest you lock them in
your garage before you kill us all.

Sherwin


Doo head, all I'm asking is that when you recommend a chemical that you
list the downside of that chemical. The is no probably in extremely
toxic to birds and fish. But you are the doo man, and you doo, that
doo-doo, that you doo so well.

Aw, you went and made me Gruff again.


I suggest you see a neurologist to treat your 'do do' problem.

Also, what do you want me to say? Sure, drinking these chemicals
is not recommended. Wearing protective breathing and clothing is.

Also, if you dump your excess chemicals in a water run off, or some
lake it would do damage. Proper handling and disposal is the order
of the day.

If you are addressing your concerns to the backyard orchardist who
probably has about a dozen or so trees, I see no great effect on the
environment. Are you aware that many of these chemicals break down
and are burn't off in the sun? Imidan is one of them. Sevin, on
the other hand, lingers on for some time, so I don't use it.

One jet plane taking off probably spews more polution to the
environment than dozens, if not hundreds of hobby orchardists.
If you want to go after the commercial orchards, most of them
take proper precautions. Since their use of chemicals is on a
much larger scale, their effect could be significant, if the
chemicals are not handled and disposed of properly.

You have to get the public and backyard orchardists to give up
clean unattacked fruit. I know certain varieties can be grown
organically, but they usually are not the best tasting ones.

Sherwin


So, since the water is polluted, your going to **** in it too? Try
learning a little more about IPM, or do you wipe down your counter tops
with Lysol too?
--

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"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html


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Oh- I use Lysol too.

-Rick


Why ? We live in a world of microbes killing a few million won't
matter. Much better to coexist and enjoy real cheese then to think
sterility is the way to live. Consider asthma and the problem that
occur when the immune system is not challenged.

Bill who appreciates Billy's rants. Truth is not always pleasant.

............

1: Allergy. 2009 May;64(5):678-701.
Links

Scientific rationale for the Finnish Allergy Programme 2008-2018:
emphasis on prevention and endorsing tolerance.
von Hertzen LC, Savolainen J, Hannuksela M, Klaukka T, Lauerma A, Makela
MJ, Pekkanen J, Pietinalho A, Vaarala O, Valovirta E, Vartiainen E,
Haahtela T.
Skin and Allergy Hospital, Helsinki University Central Hospital,
Helsinki, Finland.

In similarity to many other western countries, the burden of allergic
diseases in Finland is high.

Studies worldwide have shown that an environment rich in microbes

in early life reduces the subsequent risk of developing allergic
diseases.


Along with urbanization, such exposure has dramatically reduced, both
in terms of diversity and quantity. Continuous stimulation of the immune
system by environmental saprophytes via the skin, respiratory tract and
gut appears to be necessary for activation of the regulatory network
including regulatory T-cells and dendritic cells. Substantial evidence
now shows that the balance between allergy and tolerance is dependent on
regulatory T-cells. Tolerance induced by allergen-specific regulatory
T-cells appears to be the normal immunological response to allergens in
non atopic healthy individuals. Healthy subjects have an intact
functional allergen-specific regulatory T-cell response, which in
allergic subjects is impaired. Evidence on this exists with respect to
atopic dermatitis, contact dermatitis, allergic rhinitis and asthma.
Restoration of impaired allergen-specific regulatory T-cell response and
tolerance induction has furthermore been demonstrated during
allergen-specific subcutaneous and sublingual immunotherapy and is
crucial for good therapeutic outcome. However, tolerance can also be
strengthened unspecifically by simple means, e.g. by consuming farm milk
and spending time in nature. Results so far obtained from animal models
indicate that it is possible to restore tolerance by administering the
allergen in certain circumstances both locally and systemically. It has
become increasingly clear that continuous exposure to microbial antigens
as well as allergens in foodstuffs and the environment is decisive, and
excessive antigen avoidance can be harmful and weaken or even prevent
the development of regulatory mechanisms. Success in the Finnish Asthma
Programme was an encouraging example of how it is possible to reduce
both the costs and morbidity of asthma. The time, in the wake of the
Asthma Programme, is now opportune for a national allergy programme,
particularly as in the past few years, fundamentally more essential data
on tolerance and its mechanisms have been published. In this review, the
scientific rationale for the Finnish Allergy Programme 2008-2018 is
outlined. The focus is on tolerance and how to endorse tolerance at the
population level.
PMID: 19383025 [PubMed - in process]

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You seem to want a response, so your wish is granted.
Rick wrote:

Evangelical christians serve only to convince me there is no god.
Likewise, your viewpoint is not balanced, or based on sound science,
but rather on the faith that you have discovered the "one true way".

You know how I play this, if you make an assertion, you back it up with
a citation: citation please.
In your world all non-believers are to be publicly chastised and put
down by you and the other members of your little mutual masturbation
society that has recently infested these groups.

Invective and ad hominem, do you have something to say?
Many long time
members have left, and you are one of the reasons. Your messages
usually lack informative content, and serve to drive people away from
organic approaches. I consider you at best a pest and at worst a
thinly disguised troll on these groups.

And your judgement is worth, what? How do you evaluate my lack of
information, by the citations that I make, and are so glaringly absent
in your little rant?

I only saw this because Sherwin has given helpful advice in the past,
and I tend to read his posts. I saw he was tangling with you again.
I'd hate to have a gomer like you drive a valuable poster like him off
the group, especially one that lacks helpful constructive content in
his posts.

Coloribus gustibus non disputatum

It will probably surprise you to learn that I am a fan of organic food
production. I make part of what I consider a pretty good living
producing organic crops. I also produce hydroponic tomatoes, which
are not organic. Yes we have tested and continue to experiment with
organic hydroponics, but despite what you may have read, there are
some very real problems that can cause devastating crop losses. Not
so good when your living is on the line.

Real shame that you can't share these problems with us. Are they on a
need to know basis?

I also raise beef. My own beef is grass fed, but not organic. After
it leaves me, it gets fattened in feedlots with all the attending
problems of antibiotic overuse etc. I would love people to buy my 2-3
year old cattle at $5-10 a lb on the hoof (some do), but rounding up
1,000s of customers is not going to happen soon. So they get the less
tasty 6 month old feedlot beef they can afford.

Hey, I thought we were here to talk about ME! Since this could all be
made-up, here on the internet, why don't you cut to the chase?

Then there is the Roundup ready soybeans and corn I grow. Yes! the
dreaded Monsanto greedmeister killers of the earth.

And they've found that they don't produce a larger crop than normal
soybeans.
-----
But the Union of Concerned Scientists disputed the claims of increased
production in the "Failure to Yield" report.
"Clearly the industry has been trying as long as it has existed to
improve yields, but the record is extremely meager," Doug
Gurian-Sherman, senior scientist at UCS and author of the report, told
the Cleantech Group."Going forward, we need to be careful about putting
too many eggs in the basket of genetic engineering."
The report looks at the two most popular GM uses: herbicide-resistant
corn and soybeans, and pest-resistant corn. The report showed that the
use of herbicide-tolerant corn and soybeans have had no effect on actual
per-acre yields.
http://cleantech.com/news/4364/doubl...netically-modi
-----

God, you must feel quite the fool. All the GMO crops have done for you
is to let you pay for the right to pour more Roundup on the ground.
Hey, way to go guy.

When the scientists that invented these GM products go to sleep,
perhaps they dream of the millions of lives they have saved. From my
perspective, I save on diesel (big time) and many tons of topsoil
because of the greatly reduced cultivation requirements.

Uh, you ain't so slick, if you hadn't noticed that as your topsoil blows
and trickles away, you've been having to use more and more chemferts.
But hey, this is UseNet, you could be a bored student in a computer lab
somewhere.

I know you
hate the fact they patented their products, but I am not a communist
and no one is forced to buy their products. They do it because they
are better and cheaper to grow.

Not according to the Union of Concerned Scientists, but you probably
know more than they do, not.

Oh- I use Lysol too.

Oh, I saw that one coming in.

-Rick

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is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html
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sherwin dubren wrote:
Steve Peek wrote:
If you have any interest in heirloom apples (you know, the ugly ones
that taste unbelievably good) you have to check out:
http://www.bighorsecreekfarm.com/ . They have over 300 varieties. I'm
gonna need more land.
Steve

Steve,

I checked out their web site and they offer four rootstocks of various
sizes. What was not clear was the possibility of selecting a
particular rootstock with a given variety. There must be a way to
do that, but I couldn't figure it out.

These people appear to be strictly organic, which is fine whenever
possible. However, certain pests like Plum Curculio, Apple Maggot,
and Coddling Moths probably will require something stronger than
Rotenone, say Imidan.

Sherwin


It is interesting that someone in this group has the power to remove
postings they find offensive. The entire discussion on Heirloom
Apples quoted above has vanished. It includes a defense
my position. Nothing like a little censorship.

Sherwin
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"sherwin dubren" wrote in message
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sherwin dubren wrote:
Steve Peek wrote:
If you have any interest in heirloom apples (you know, the ugly ones
that taste unbelievably good) you have to check out:
http://www.bighorsecreekfarm.com/ . They have over 300 varieties. I'm
gonna need more land.
Steve

Steve,

I checked out their web site and they offer four rootstocks of various
sizes. What was not clear was the possibility of selecting a
particular rootstock with a given variety. There must be a way to
do that, but I couldn't figure it out.

These people appear to be strictly organic, which is fine whenever
possible. However, certain pests like Plum Curculio, Apple Maggot,
and Coddling Moths probably will require something stronger than
Rotenone, say Imidan.

Sherwin


It is interesting that someone in this group has the power to remove
postings they find offensive. The entire discussion on Heirloom
Apples quoted above has vanished. It includes a defense
my position. Nothing like a little censorship.

Sherwin


I still have the entire discussion.
Steve


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