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cucumber crash
Cucumber plants are several inches high but on of them the stem shrunk
and withered from ground level up to about an inch. This has killed the plant. What is that and will I need to worry about the other plants? They all look healthy to my untrained eyes. Jeff |
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Jeff wrote: Cucumber plants are several inches high but on of them the stem shrunk and withered from ground level up to about an inch. This has killed the plant. What is that and will I need to worry about the other plants? They all look healthy to my untrained eyes. Jeff The key that I'm looking at says, "Plant wilts slowly but permanently, with no recovery at night; stem may rot at the base" .......fusarium wilt IIRC you are screwed (sorry). http://plant-disease.ippc.orst.edu/d...?RecordID=1492 Don't take this as gospel,yet, and keep looking. -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html |
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Billy wrote:
In article , Jeff wrote: Cucumber plants are several inches high but on of them the stem shrunk and withered from ground level up to about an inch. This has killed the plant. What is that and will I need to worry about the other plants? They all look healthy to my untrained eyes. Jeff The key that I'm looking at says, "Plant wilts slowly but permanently, with no recovery at night; stem may rot at the base" .......fusarium wilt IIRC you are screwed (sorry). http://plant-disease.ippc.orst.edu/d...?RecordID=1492 Thanks. This seems likely as the soil here is from leaf litter and it would not surprise me if it had fungi. The deceased plants roots looked fine, as that article had mentioned. For that matter, so did the rest of the plant, until it fell over. Don't take this as gospel,yet, and keep looking. I'll keep watching. Any chance cat urine could do it in? I'm herding cats faster than I can spay them. Jeff |
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Jeff wrote: Billy wrote: In article , Jeff wrote: Cucumber plants are several inches high but on of them the stem shrunk and withered from ground level up to about an inch. This has killed the plant. What is that and will I need to worry about the other plants? They all look healthy to my untrained eyes. Jeff The key that I'm looking at says, "Plant wilts slowly but permanently, with no recovery at night; stem may rot at the base" .......fusarium wilt IIRC you are screwed (sorry). http://plant-disease.ippc.orst.edu/d...?RecordID=1492 Thanks. This seems likely as the soil here is from leaf litter and it would not surprise me if it had fungi. The deceased plants roots looked fine, as that article had mentioned. For that matter, so did the rest of the plant, until it fell over. Don't take this as gospel,yet, and keep looking. I'll keep watching. Any chance cat urine could do it in? I'm herding cats faster than I can spay them. Jeff If it wasn't there before, it probably came in with the seed. Salts from cat urine would just have made it wilt and cats aren't likely to carry plant diseases. I have the same problem with basil in one spot in my garden. Look for fusarium resistant plants to put in that area. -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html |
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Billy wrote:
In article , Jeff wrote: Billy wrote: In article , Jeff wrote: Cucumber plants are several inches high but on of them the stem shrunk and withered from ground level up to about an inch. This has killed the plant. What is that and will I need to worry about the other plants? They all look healthy to my untrained eyes. Jeff The key that I'm looking at says, "Plant wilts slowly but permanently, with no recovery at night; stem may rot at the base" .......fusarium wilt IIRC you are screwed (sorry). http://plant-disease.ippc.orst.edu/d...?RecordID=1492 Thanks. This seems likely as the soil here is from leaf litter and it would not surprise me if it had fungi. The deceased plants roots looked fine, as that article had mentioned. For that matter, so did the rest of the plant, until it fell over. Don't take this as gospel,yet, and keep looking. I'll keep watching. Any chance cat urine could do it in? I'm herding cats faster than I can spay them. Jeff If it wasn't there before, it probably came in with the seed. Salts from cat urine would just have made it wilt and cats aren't likely to carry plant diseases. I have the same problem with basil in one spot in my garden. Look for fusarium resistant plants to put in that area. OK, I'll do exactly that. I see I have a Downey Mildew resistant strain (Market More 76). I have some "compost" that probably has fungus in it also. Can I do anything with that? I have some glazing for a solar collector I wont need till winter, heat??? Jeff |
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"Billy" wrote in message ... In article , Jeff wrote: Cucumber plants are several inches high but on of them the stem shrunk and withered from ground level up to about an inch. This has killed the plant. What is that and will I need to worry about the other plants? They all look healthy to my untrained eyes. Jeff The key that I'm looking at says, "Plant wilts slowly but permanently, with no recovery at night; stem may rot at the base" .......fusarium wilt IIRC you are screwed (sorry). http://plant-disease.ippc.orst.edu/d...?RecordID=1492 Don't take this as gospel,yet, and keep looking. -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html I agree, it sounds like fusarium, however it may be cutworms. I'm having a really difficult time controlling them this year. I'm spraying each emerging plant with Bt, but with the daily rains it's almost impossible to keep up. Look at Park's Seed web site they actually give disease resistance for different varieties. Steve |
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Jeff wrote: Billy wrote: In article , Jeff wrote: Billy wrote: In article , Jeff wrote: Cucumber plants are several inches high but on of them the stem shrunk and withered from ground level up to about an inch. This has killed the plant. What is that and will I need to worry about the other plants? They all look healthy to my untrained eyes. Jeff The key that I'm looking at says, "Plant wilts slowly but permanently, with no recovery at night; stem may rot at the base" .......fusarium wilt IIRC you are screwed (sorry). http://plant-disease.ippc.orst.edu/d...?RecordID=1492 Thanks. This seems likely as the soil here is from leaf litter and it would not surprise me if it had fungi. The deceased plants roots looked fine, as that article had mentioned. For that matter, so did the rest of the plant, until it fell over. Don't take this as gospel,yet, and keep looking. I'll keep watching. Any chance cat urine could do it in? I'm herding cats faster than I can spay them. Jeff If it wasn't there before, it probably came in with the seed. Salts from cat urine would just have made it wilt and cats aren't likely to carry plant diseases. I have the same problem with basil in one spot in my garden. Look for fusarium resistant plants to put in that area. OK, I'll do exactly that. I see I have a Downey Mildew resistant strain (Market More 76). I have some "compost" that probably has fungus in it also. Can I do anything with that? I have some glazing for a solar collector I wont need till winter, heat??? Jeff Downey mildew is what all of our gardens get at the end of the years as the weather cools and the plants get wet. (With this in mind, try not to wet the leaves on tomatoes when watering.) I don't know what you mean by glazing but nurseries and hardware stores will have clear plastic sheeting for sale. Be sure to bury the edges of the plastic with dirt. http://www.thisland.illinois.edu/57ways/57ways_15.html http://ceamador.ucdavis.edu/files/942.pdf -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html |
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Billy wrote:
In article , Jeff wrote: Billy wrote: In article , Jeff wrote: snip Downey mildew is what all of our gardens get at the end of the years as the weather cools and the plants get wet. Got it. (With this in mind, try not to wet the leaves on tomatoes when watering.) Hmmm. I've been watering the leaves when I fertilize weekly, something I have just started doing. I take it that this is OK as long as the leaves dry, which they currently do quickly. Which brings me to a fertilizer question I've been meaning to ask. I looked around a bit and didn't see many options, so I took home some Miracle Grow Tomato Plant Food (18-18-21). It seemed to me that the organic benefits are mostly in the lack of insecticides. I've been watering my small garden of cukes, carrots, tomatoes, snow peas, blueberries, a peach, a grape, cantalopes and one zuchini and one pepper with this once a week. Is there a better direction for me, this late in the game? I don't know what you mean by glazing Just clear "plastic". For solar, transparency and UV resistance is key. You may have noticed that clear plastic is milky, unlike the bag it comes in! but nurseries and hardware stores will have clear plastic sheeting for sale. Be sure to bury the edges of the plastic with dirt. http://www.thisland.illinois.edu/57ways/57ways_15.html http://ceamador.ucdavis.edu/files/942.pdf OK. I'll work on this. Jeff |
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Jeff wrote: Billy wrote: In article , Jeff wrote: Billy wrote: In article , Jeff wrote: snip Downey mildew is what all of our gardens get at the end of the years as the weather cools and the plants get wet. Got it. (With this in mind, try not to wet the leaves on tomatoes when watering.) Hmmm. I've been watering the leaves when I fertilize weekly, something I have just started doing. I take it that this is OK as long as the leaves dry, which they currently do quickly. Not good, helps set spores for more opportun moment. Which brings me to a fertilizer question I've been meaning to ask. I looked around a bit and didn't see many options, so I took home some Miracle Grow Tomato Plant Food (18-18-21). It seemed to me that the organic benefits are mostly in the lack of insecticides. I've been watering my small garden of cukes, carrots, tomatoes, snow peas, blueberries, a peach, a grape, cantalopes and one zuchini and one pepper with this once a week. Is there a better direction for me, this late in the game? This is about six times more fertilizer than you need. Chemferts are salts and salts kill mirco-organisms. Go to organic fish emulsion (organic in this case means no mercury, lead, DDT, dioxin, or polybrominated diphenyl ethers [PBDEs] ) or manure http://www.plantea.com/manure.htm . I don't know what you mean by glazing Just clear "plastic". For solar, transparency and UV resistance is key. You may have noticed that clear plastic is milky, unlike the bag it comes in! but nurseries and hardware stores will have clear plastic sheeting for sale. Be sure to bury the edges of the plastic with dirt. http://www.thisland.illinois.edu/57ways/57ways_15.html http://ceamador.ucdavis.edu/files/942.pdf OK. I'll work on this. Jeff -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html |
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cucumber crash
Billy wrote:
In article , Jeff wrote: Billy wrote: In article , Jeff wrote: Billy wrote: In article , Jeff wrote: snip Downey mildew is what all of our gardens get at the end of the years as the weather cools and the plants get wet. Got it. (With this in mind, try not to wet the leaves on tomatoes when watering.) Hmmm. I've been watering the leaves when I fertilize weekly, something I have just started doing. I take it that this is OK as long as the leaves dry, which they currently do quickly. Not good, helps set spores for more opportun moment. OK. Which brings me to a fertilizer question I've been meaning to ask. I looked around a bit and didn't see many options, so I took home some Miracle Grow Tomato Plant Food (18-18-21). It seemed to me that the organic benefits are mostly in the lack of insecticides. I've been watering my small garden of cukes, carrots, tomatoes, snow peas, blueberries, a peach, a grape, cantalopes and one zuchini and one pepper with this once a week. Is there a better direction for me, this late in the game? This is about six times more fertilizer than you need. Chemferts are salts and salts kill mirco-organisms. Go to organic fish emulsion I'll look for the fish emulsion, I suspect I'll need to hunt it down as I don't remember seeing it in the big box stores. (organic in this case means no mercury, lead, DDT, dioxin, or polybrominated diphenyl ethers [PBDEs] ) or manure http://www.plantea.com/manure.htm . I used a bit of bagged cow manure. But mostly mushroom compost and whatever soil I had that looked good. It looks like next season that I'll rake in more cow manure. Or can I just dump this on top? Thanks, Jeff |
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cucumber crash
In article ,
Jeff wrote: Billy wrote: In article , Jeff wrote: Billy wrote: In article , Jeff wrote: Billy wrote: In article , Jeff wrote: snip Downey mildew is what all of our gardens get at the end of the years as the weather cools and the plants get wet. Got it. (With this in mind, try not to wet the leaves on tomatoes when watering.) Hmmm. I've been watering the leaves when I fertilize weekly, something I have just started doing. I take it that this is OK as long as the leaves dry, which they currently do quickly. Not good, helps set spores for more opportun moment. OK. Which brings me to a fertilizer question I've been meaning to ask. I looked around a bit and didn't see many options, so I took home some Miracle Grow Tomato Plant Food (18-18-21). It seemed to me that the organic benefits are mostly in the lack of insecticides. I've been watering my small garden of cukes, carrots, tomatoes, snow peas, blueberries, a peach, a grape, cantalopes and one zuchini and one pepper with this once a week. Is there a better direction for me, this late in the game? This is about six times more fertilizer than you need. Chemferts are salts and salts kill mirco-organisms. Go to organic fish emulsion I'll look for the fish emulsion, I suspect I'll need to hunt it down as I don't remember seeing it in the big box stores. (organic in this case means no mercury, lead, DDT, dioxin, or polybrominated diphenyl ethers [PBDEs] ) or manure http://www.plantea.com/manure.htm . I used a bit of bagged cow manure. But mostly mushroom compost and whatever soil I had that looked good. It looks like next season that I'll rake in more cow manure. Or can I just dump this on top? Thanks, Jeff Yes, rake it in (top 2") and water. The nitrogen in manure comes from proteins (diet and bacterial) that break down. When protein breaks down, an amine group (Ammonia. w/ perhaps with another group added) is released. In many cases this is just ammonia. It is a gas that needs to be disolved in water to make it available to soil bacteria. -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html |
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