wrote in message
...

Dandelions - I wish I had more of them.

When my husband was collecting dandelions this spring for wine production,
he was tempted to snap up the biggest, yellowest flowers. Then he realized
that he should leave THOSE to seed and pass their big flower genes to the
next crop!
--S.

"Thos" wrote:

Not like we're a group of
veggie te**orists!

I re-read this original post, and the truth is that we _are_! At least,
many of us are directly opposing $BigBusiness that would push special
purpose genetically modified seeds at us to lock growers into a specific
product line. Open-pollinated seeds that anybody can save and give away to
anybody else? Now, that's radical!
I gotta go re-read "Fahrenheit 451."


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G

In article ,
"Suzanne D." wrote:

"Thos" wrote in message
m...
Somehow, from previous posts I've read from you it isn't surprising that
you would prove my point in my original post regarding the "seed police".
I won't waste my time reading that crap. Where there's a will, there's a
way.

If you were to set it up as some official seed exchange, it might be going
against some legalities. If, on the other hand, you set it up as a bunch of
friends sharing seeds, what could they do? Is it illegal to give my
neighbor some of my seeds? Is it illegal to mail some seeds to my mom in a
different state, or even my friend in a different country?
--S.

The reg.s that I saw were for live plants, but there was no problem with
cactus, which was what I was interested in ) To make sure that
you're not getting into deep doo, check with your state Ag Dept.
Authority HATES to be ignored. If you're going to ignore them, make sure
the benefit is worth the risk.
--

- Billy

There are three kinds of men: The ones that learn by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence and
find out for themselves.
Will Rogers

http://green-house.tv/video/the-spring-garden-tour
http://www.tomdispatch.com/p/zinn

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Suzanne D." wrote:

"Thos" wrote in message
m...
Somehow, from previous posts I've read from you it isn't surprising
that
you would prove my point in my original post regarding the "seed
police".
I won't waste my time reading that crap. Where there's a will, there's
a
way.

If you were to set it up as some official seed exchange, it might be
going
against some legalities. If, on the other hand, you set it up as a bunch
of
friends sharing seeds, what could they do? Is it illegal to give my
neighbor some of my seeds? Is it illegal to mail some seeds to my mom in
a
different state, or even my friend in a different country?
--S.

The reg.s that I saw were for live plants, but there was no problem with
cactus, which was what I was interested in ) To make sure that
you're not getting into deep doo, check with your state Ag Dept.
Authority HATES to be ignored. If you're going to ignore them, make sure
the benefit is worth the risk.
--

- Billy

There are three kinds of men: The ones that learn by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
and
find out for themselves.
Will Rogers

The penelty for ignorance is the same as it is for blatant disobedience.
Steve

http://green-house.tv/video/the-spring-garden-tour
http://www.tomdispatch.com/p/zinn

"Thos" wrote in message
m...
There has been so much talk about where to get good seeds, what not to
buy, etc....Is there some rule against us starting our own little seed
exchange within the group? I grow only non-hybrid varieties and seed that
I harvest from my own garden.
Any thoughts? I'm in Texas and would love to try some tomatoes from the
UK, Europe, or anywhere else frankly outside the U.S.. Several years ago
the wife and I brought back some roma tomato seeds from New Zealand and
those babies were huge! Should have saved some of those seeds for sure.
In addition, I have 3 bay trees, two of which are over 15 feet tall, and
one that is about 8 feet. The largest has a base trunk caliper of well
over 12 inches. HUNDREDS of bay leaves! Anyone need fresh bay leaves?
Let's chat about it. I'm sure that the inevitable "seed police" will pop
up and argue about some law or something that should prohibit this
behavior, but really.....they're seeds, and we're gardeners. Not like
we're a group of veggie te**orists!


The short story of the Texas law link: if you ain't selling, you aint
dealing, so the link is a moot point.
Now there are Fed laws which I strongly recommend more attention to

lots of info here on this English site( go figure)
http://theseedsite.co.uk/aphis.html . There are FAQs and links
on importing seeds to US such as the free permit application he
http://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/index.shtml
included are the restricted plants and seeds, the how to do it legally
stuff. For small lots of seed:
http://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_exp...seed.shtmlzone 8a, WA State. Looking for exotic herbs and veggies that woud/couldadapt.Real Wasabi is one that comes to mind, black cumin, the purple de milpatomatillo...got my Seed Savers Cat. too late for this year, interesting varitals butstill want more exotics.

Suzanne D. wrote:
"Thos" wrote in message
m...
Somehow, from previous posts I've read from you it isn't surprising
that you would prove my point in my original post regarding the
"seed police". I won't waste my time reading that crap. Where
there's a will, there's a way.

If you were to set it up as some official seed exchange, it might be
going against some legalities. If, on the other hand, you set it up
as a bunch of friends sharing seeds, what could they do? Is it
illegal to give my neighbor some of my seeds?

Probably not, at least not where I live.

Is it illegal to mail
some seeds to my mom in a different state, or even my friend in a
different country? --S.

Depends on the country, in some cases yes. Transporting seeds is a possible
way to spread plant disease. It would be best to check before posting.

David

I appreciate that non-biased review. I'm simply one guy with a small garden
like so many others here. Not trying to start any kind of revolution, not
trying to go against "the man", simply thinking that I have what I have, and
you guys have what you have. Nothing more, nothing less. Not selling
anything and not wanting to profit. Simply my feeble attempt to connect and
share. How bad can that be. Are we really at a point where everything is
suspect?
I promise not to send anyone dandelion seeds. I know how to remove my
tomato seeds from the gelatinous mass, clean them and dry them for storage.
Not rocket surgery. Pepper seeds require even fewer mental attributes.
Seriously....is everyone that paranoid at this point? If so.....well??


"Gary Woods" wrote in message
...
"Thos" wrote:

Not like we're a group of
veggie te**orists!

I re-read this original post, and the truth is that we _are_! At least,
many of us are directly opposing $BigBusiness that would push special
purpose genetically modified seeds at us to lock growers into a specific
product line. Open-pollinated seeds that anybody can save and give away
to
anybody else? Now, that's radical!
I gotta go re-read "Fahrenheit 451."


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at
home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G

"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
Thos wrote:
Somehow, from previous posts I've read from you it isn't surprising
that you would prove my point in my original post regarding the "seed
police". I won't waste my time reading that crap. Where there's a
will, there's a way. Boy, we wouldn't want to step outside the line
now would we? Some little brownshirt might be hiding in the bushes
to wag their little finger and say....."that is not allowed!"
get a life...


There are good reasons why carrying or sending vegetable matter over some
borders is prohibited.

Indeed!

I have no interest in transmitting noxious weeds or
plant diseases no matter how much I might covert certain cultivars. I
have this attitude not because I am a nazi or because I am too timid to
step out of line but because there are already too many imported problems
to deal with without adding more.

I agree about the importation of seeds. I much prefer to leave that to the
specialist growers who understand the requirements for grwoing imported
seeds under quarantine conditions but I dont' object to sending some seeds
overseas.

For example, Grosse Lisse tomato seeds.

Did you know David that apparently this tomato which originated in France
and which is considered to be a heritage tomato has virtually disappared in
France? I was amazed when I heard that given how common it is here and how
reliable. It's almost a clique to grow Grosse Lisse these days. And any
gardener worth their salt needs to add a list of rarer toms that they grow
in addition to Grosse Lisse so that one doesn't see the curling lip of the
garden snobs.

Ahhhhhhhh!!!

And how can I get some a few of these elusive seeds??
This is what I'm talking about!!



"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message
...
"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
Thos wrote:
Somehow, from previous posts I've read from you it isn't surprising
that you would prove my point in my original post regarding the "seed
police". I won't waste my time reading that crap. Where there's a
will, there's a way. Boy, we wouldn't want to step outside the line
now would we? Some little brownshirt might be hiding in the bushes
to wag their little finger and say....."that is not allowed!"
get a life...


There are good reasons why carrying or sending vegetable matter over some
borders is prohibited.

Indeed!

I have no interest in transmitting noxious weeds or
plant diseases no matter how much I might covert certain cultivars. I
have this attitude not because I am a nazi or because I am too timid to
step out of line but because there are already too many imported problems
to deal with without adding more.

I agree about the importation of seeds. I much prefer to leave that to
the specialist growers who understand the requirements for grwoing
imported seeds under quarantine conditions but I dont' object to sending
some seeds overseas.

For example, Grosse Lisse tomato seeds.

Did you know David that apparently this tomato which originated in France
and which is considered to be a heritage tomato has virtually disappared
in France? I was amazed when I heard that given how common it is here and
how reliable. It's almost a clique to grow Grosse Lisse these days. And
any gardener worth their salt needs to add a list of rarer toms that they
grow in addition to Grosse Lisse so that one doesn't see the curling lip
of the garden snobs.

In article ,
says...

"Thos" wrote in message
m...
Somehow, from previous posts I've read from you it isn't surprising that
you would prove my point in my original post regarding the "seed police".
I won't waste my time reading that crap. Where there's a will, there's a
way.


If you were to set it up as some official seed exchange, it might be going
against some legalities. If, on the other hand, you set it up as a bunch of
friends sharing seeds, what could they do? Is it illegal to give my
neighbor some of my seeds? Is it illegal to mail some seeds to my mom in a
different state, or even my friend in a different country?


The mailing to a different country can be a big issue. In some
places, customs is very very picky about any food-related
materiel.


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