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Charlie wrote in message
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On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:59:24 -0800, Steve wrote:


Staying with the same MO, huh, billy?

yet ....STILL WITHOUT FACTS, just like the Ironite
rants were. So far your posse has much the same MO also.

BTW You sure use a lot of aliases and give a lot of talk about
handlers
and
propaganda, you learning all that from that little red book?

Great, would you like to tell us about "Ironite"? We can deal with
politics later. For the time being, let's not go all over the lot, and
just stick to gardening. Think you can do that, hmmm?


You have this habit of constantly reinterpreting facts when your
"research"
gets exposed, billy. That seem to happen a lot!

Think you can work on keeping your stories factual? hmmmm?

Since you seem to be familiar with the Google Archives, and disagree
with my characterization of Ironite, could you try to be specific in
your criticism? If you just indulge yourself in character assassination
without facts, you are just the sound of a barking dog. Go get 'em Fido.

You are a slow learner. Kinda like your fellow birthers.

I have no need to search the archives for that little Ironite faux pas of
yours, billy but perhaps you should to refresh your memory. There in its
that critical thinking part I keep insisting on when you start flapping that
big mouth of yours, fluffy. You were talking about product ingredients that
hadn't been in the product for years and insistence on lawsuits that never
happen, denigrating the user to hell, all because of your misinformation and
prejudicial ideas. Never checking your facts.

Your profile shows a distinct pattern...faulty analogy, then fringe talk,
false allegations, followed by ad hominem attacks, waffling, then more
weasel words.... that is all ya got, fluffy and it doesn't work well for ya!

Just another in your long line of tainted "facts" and distorted truths you
keep trying to get out there. If you have no fact, dazzle em with BS and
persistence, huh billy!

"Steve" wrote in message
ews.com...
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:12:09 -0800, Billy
wrote:

Go get 'em Fido.

But stay off the lawn.
http://www.epa.gov/NRMRL/lrpcd/wm/projects/135367.htm

Just skim your references do ya?
Old and irrelevant news there slick.
"Ironite®, ONCE available at many lawn and garden stores, WAS a common
fertilizer made from mine tailings".

Like little billy, you don't read your source material thoroughly either?
Fairly common practice for those looking to shore up their argument with
pseudo research. Little billy made.makes the same mistake as you just did
except he denigrated folks for his faulty research. He seems to keep using
his "facts" out of context a lot and it seems his tribe seem to follow
closely. Try researching posting here from ~09-05-2008 on the Great billy
Ironite rant. It is a pattern with the man.

The Iron King mine was placed on the Superfund list in 2005. The lawsuit
that billy and others erroneously referenced was dismissed by a SF Judge,
the Eco Lawyers got 150K money for their troubles and the company agreed to
put "do not eat on the bag". The company was sold to Scotts early in 2006,
and doesn't use the Iron King Mine tailings, good thing since they can't
huh? In fact Today Ironite uses Jersey Greensand in one of its formula.
These facts keep getting overlooked by you latrine lawyers in your zeal to
pounce on anything you feel is counterindicated by your zealotry . WA State
DOE as well as a few other States check fertilizer contents and have for a
while.

Read your references thoroughly to keep your facts right Steve.

Charlie wrote in message
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:32:31 -0800, "gunner"
wrote:


Charlie wrote in message
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On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:44:32 -0800, "gunner"
wrote:


Charlie wrote in message
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On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:53:27 -0700, "gunner"
wrote:


Phobic left ya

Does this make you feel superior, to belittle peoples' names, and all
that it implies?

Charlie

"gunney-effer "

ya gotta practice on that "high and mighty" a bit more, charlie.



Indeed I must, and thank you for the admonishment. Puts me in mind of
a quote or three, but one, or two, will suffice.......

"As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly"

Charlie

cuiusvis hominis est errare, nullius nisi insipientis in errore
perseverare.

"Anyone can err, but only the fool persists in his fault"
~~ Marcus Tullius Cicero

Hopefully billy will take these to heart.


Or you?

Condemnant quod non intellegunt.

Charlie

Perhaps Charlie, perhaps, Yet I understand all too well, do you?

Cave canem! ;-)

Charlie

"If you stop every time a dog barks, your road will never end." -
Saudi Arabian Proverb

Is this all from the new version of your little red book, charlie?

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"gunner" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
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In article ss,
"gunner" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
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"gunner" wrote:

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In article ,
"gunner" wrote:

Charlie wrote in message
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On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:59:24 -0800, Steve wrote:


Staying with the same MO, huh, billy?

yet ....STILL WITHOUT FACTS, just like the Ironite
rants were. So far your posse has much the same MO also.

BTW You sure use a lot of aliases and give a lot of talk about
handlers
and
propaganda, you learning all that from that little red book?

Great, would you like to tell us about "Ironite"? We can deal with
politics later. For the time being, let's not go all over the lot, and
just stick to gardening. Think you can do that, hmmm?


You have this habit of constantly reinterpreting facts when your
"research"
gets exposed, billy. That seem to happen a lot!

Think you can work on keeping your stories factual? hmmmm?

Since you seem to be familiar with the Google Archives, and disagree
with my characterization of Ironite, could you try to be specific in
your criticism? If you just indulge yourself in character assassination
without facts, you are just the sound of a barking dog. Go get 'em Fido.

You are a slow learner. Kinda like your fellow birthers.

I have no need to search the archives for that little Ironite faux pas of
yours, billy but perhaps you should to refresh your memory. There in its
that critical thinking part I keep insisting on when you start flapping that
big mouth of yours, fluffy. You were talking about product ingredients that
hadn't been in the product for years and insistence on lawsuits that never
happen, denigrating the user to hell, all because of your misinformation and
prejudicial ideas. Never checking your facts.

Your profile shows a distinct pattern...faulty analogy, then fringe talk,
false allegations, followed by ad hominem attacks, waffling, then more
weasel words.... that is all ya got, fluffy and it doesn't work well for ya!

Just another in your long line of tainted "facts" and distorted truths you
keep trying to get out there. If you have no fact, dazzle em with BS and
persistence, huh billy!

I'm sure that is all very interesting, and I asked you not to wander off
the subject. Musing on my psychological, or my political profile, has
nothing to do with the question. You didn't like my characterization of
Ironite, so please correct me.

What is Ironite? What was Ironite?

If you can't even answer a simple question, you're wasting my time.

Com'on, speak, boy, speak.
--
³When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist.²
-Archbishop Helder Camara

http://tinyurl.com/o63ruj
http://countercurrents.org/roberts020709.htm

In article ss,
"gunner" wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
ews.com...
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:12:09 -0800, Billy
wrote:

Go get 'em Fido.

But stay off the lawn.
http://www.epa.gov/NRMRL/lrpcd/wm/projects/135367.htm

Just skim your references do ya?
Old and irrelevant news there slick.
"Ironite®, ONCE available at many lawn and garden stores, WAS a common
fertilizer made from mine tailings".

Like little billy, you don't read your source material thoroughly either?
Fairly common practice for those looking to shore up their argument with
pseudo research. Little billy made.makes the same mistake as you just did
except he denigrated folks for his faulty research. He seems to keep using
his "facts" out of context a lot and it seems his tribe seem to follow
closely. Try researching posting here from ~09-05-2008 on the Great billy
Ironite rant. It is a pattern with the man.

The Iron King mine was placed on the Superfund list in 2005. The lawsuit
that billy and others erroneously referenced was dismissed by a SF Judge,
the Eco Lawyers got 150K money for their troubles and the company agreed to
put "do not eat on the bag". The company was sold to Scotts early in 2006,
and doesn't use the Iron King Mine tailings, good thing since they can't
huh? In fact Today Ironite uses Jersey Greensand in one of its formula.
These facts keep getting overlooked by you latrine lawyers in your zeal to
pounce on anything you feel is counterindicated by your zealotry . WA State
DOE as well as a few other States check fertilizer contents and have for a
while.

Read your references thoroughly to keep your facts right Steve.

Yes, and we've been through all this.

November 22, 1999
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-57744297.html
SCOTTSDALE, Ariz., Nov. 22 /PRNewswire/ -- A recent report by two
environmental advocacy groups and misunderstandings about basic
mineralogy are being used to create scare tactics over fertilizer.
Ironite Products Company, producer of Ironite, a natural soil supplement
and fertilizer not manufactured from any toxic waste product but rather
from naturally occurring rock containing minerals, has commissioned
several scientific studies to evaluate potential health risks associated
with its product. The conclusion of all studies: Ironite is not toxic to
humans, pets or . . .

Uh-huh. They say it is safe.

http://www.altshulerberzon.com/case/victories
Environmental Law Foundation v. Ironite Products Co.
Obtained a consent judgment banning the continued sale in California of
a fertilizer manufactured from hazardous waste that contained excessive
levels of arsenic and lead.

2006
http://www.envirolaw.org/consumers.html
ELF vs. IRONITE PRODUCTS COMPANY
(fertilizer)
California law regulates the levels of heavy metals (such as lead and
cadmium) allowed in fertilizers, and requires high levels be disclosed
on the packages. The Ironite Company could not meet California's
standards, because its fertilizer was being manufactured from mine
tailings at a potential Superfund site. Nonetheless, it steadfastly
refused to disclose the high levels of toxic metals on labels its
packages to warn customers, as the law required. ELF brought Ironite to
court, and Ironite -- after initially filing frivolous claims that its
"free speech rights" were violated if it had to warn about toxic metals
-- agreed to reformulate its products to get rid of the heavy metals
altogether, and to contribute hundreds of thousands of dollars to the
effort to clean up California's waters.

http://www.envirolaw.org/cases/poiso...ml#information
Information About Ironite
€ The Environmental Law Foundation lawsuit alleges that the lead and
arsenic contents in Ironite exceed the maximum concentration limits
(i.e., ³non-nutritive standards²) set by the California Department of
Food and Agriculture (CDFA), 3 C.C.R. § 2302(a).

Ironite¹s Contents of Heavy Metals Compared to CDFA Limits
HeavyMetals CompanyData(parts per million) CDFA Limit(ppm) Exceeds
Arsenic 4380 ppm 189.65 ppm Yes, 23 times
Lead 2910 ppm 1927 ppm Yes, 1.5 times
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As you say, gunny, there was no determination in the case, because it
was settled out of court, but as you can see above, it wasn't a matter
of the company agreeing to put "do not eat on the bag". Makes for good
fiction, though.

So, you're contending that nothing should have been said about Ironite?
I missed it's sale and reformulation by 2 years, but once informed, I
ceased my complaints about the product. If that is a rant, so be it.

How does one come to sell toxic waste as fertilizer?

------
If we had less regulation, there would be fewer of these frivolous
lawsuits - say the Washington lobbyists.
------
2006
http://www.epa.gov/nrmrl/lrpcd/wm/projects/135367.htm

http://www.progardenbiz.com/wp/ironi...healthy-lawns/
Ten years ago, we started conducting plant studies to determine why
Ironite was causing truly amazing root growth and healthy, green lawns
said Heinz Brungs, Ironite president and chief executive officer.
Today, I am pleased to report the scope of rigorous testing this product
has undergone to prove it is safe to use and safe to the environment.
--
³When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist.²
-Archbishop Helder Camara

http://tinyurl.com/o63ruj
http://countercurrents.org/roberts020709.htm

In article . com,
Steve wrote:

On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:50:38 -0800, "gunner"
wrote:


"Steve" wrote in message
news.com...
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:12:09 -0800, Billy
wrote:

Go get 'em Fido.

But stay off the lawn.
http://www.epa.gov/NRMRL/lrpcd/wm/projects/135367.htm

Just skim your references do ya?
Old and irrelevant news there slick.

Let's just skip the diminutive name calling, OK?
This is an exchange of ideas, not a school yard.
Act your age, please.

In fact Today Ironite uses Jersey Greensand in one of its formula.
These facts keep getting overlooked by you latrine lawyers in your zeal to
pounce on anything you feel is counterindicated by your zealotry .

Trace elements in soils and sediments have, for many years, been
receiving attention of investigators in plant and animal nutrition.
But, with increasing concerns for environmental quality, there is also
now major attention given to trace elements from the standpoint of
toxicity as well as deficiency. The former is especially true with the
greensand deposits in New Jersey.
Dooley (1998) made analyses of New Jersey greensands and, of 7 sites,
he reported 7 to 31 ppm arsenic, 5 to 18 ppm beryllium, 0.2 to1.2
ppm cadmium, and 130 to 1000 ppm chromium among other elements
present. In a subsequent publication, Dooley (2001) made an exhaustive
report of trace element content of New Jersey greensands and soils.
His report is the most definitive work to date concerning greensands
throughout the State. Some of the high values of elements in New
Jersey such as arsenic may be in part from past agricultural
practices.
Schnepfe, May and Naeser (1964) reported that glauconite serves as a
scavenger matrix for nuclear waste products such as cesium and
strontium.
Kabota-Pendias and Pendias (1984) state that the critical quantity of
arsenic in soils is in the 20 to 50 ppm range.
Dooley (1998) reported 7.1 to 31 ppm arsenic in the greensands of New
Jersey.

Publication Number: E279
Author(s): John Tedrow
Publisher: Rutgers NJAES Cooperative Extension

Read your references thoroughly to keep your facts right Steve.

I'm doing my best.

I'm trying to figure out why he couldn't just say the company was sold
in 2006, and the product was reformulated, and give a cite.
--
"When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist."
-Archbishop Helder Camara

http://tinyurl.com/o63ruj
http://countercurrents.org/roberts020709.htm

Pathetic billy, truely pathetic.

"Steve" wrote in message
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:50:38 -0800, "gunner"
wrote:


"Steve" wrote in message
ynews.com...
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:12:09 -0800, Billy
wrote:

Go get 'em Fido.

But stay off the lawn.
http://www.epa.gov/NRMRL/lrpcd/wm/projects/135367.htm

Just skim your references do ya?
Old and irrelevant news there slick.

Let's just skip the diminutive name calling, OK?
This is an exchange of ideas, not a school yard.
Act your age, please.


Back the truck up there slick, when ya play their game as you just did fido
and the lawn BS, you are not an innocent! So don't play that crap with me.

Your "research" is a bit rudimentary and again old news, Just tell me why
your OMRI still lists greensand as good to go and water purifiers still use
it?

The " Schnepfe, May and Naeser (1964) reported that glauconite serves as a
scavenger matrix for nuclear waste products such as cesium and
strontium" was cute, but I doubt you know what any of that means. That was
just part of the cut and paste fluffy piece you used. No relevance!

You want discourse? curious why you haven't spoken up before? especially
with the school yard antics of billy and the tribe? Plausible denial?

Regardless, twice I have said Ironite was sold years before billy was
squawking about it in 08, more of his BS research methodology, and when he
was going off on another person. All the while your group was silent. Funny
that! Even the lawsuit was dismissed but he didn't know that in Sep 08 when
he was wailing on that woman trying to make everyone believe his story.

Now we come to your chance bit on the EPA site on days of old, did you care
to verify the date of this info, much less the relevancy to Ironite as it
is produced today?

I bet not.

Yet, still not the issue, you and yours "research" and methodology are
highly suspect. So do not pretend you are "acting your age".

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"gunner" wrote:

Regardless, twice I have said Ironite was sold years before billy was
squawking about it in 08, . . . Even the lawsuit was dismissed . . .

2006
http://www.envirolaw.org/consumers.html
ELF vs. IRONITE PRODUCTS COMPANY
(fertilizer)
.. . . ELF brought Ironite to court, and Ironite -- after initially
filing frivolous claims that its "free speech rights" were violated if
it had to warn about toxic metals

-- agreed to reformulate its products to get rid of the heavy metals
altogether, and to contribute hundreds of thousands of dollars to the
effort to clean up California's waters.

Woof, woof, gunny;O)
--
³When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist.²
-Archbishop Helder Camara

http://tinyurl.com/o63ruj
http://countercurrents.org/roberts020709.htm

"Billy" wrote in message
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In article ,
"gunner" wrote:

Regardless, twice I have said Ironite was sold years before billy was
squawking about it in 08, . . . Even the lawsuit was dismissed . . .

2006
http://www.envirolaw.org/consumers.html
ELF vs. IRONITE PRODUCTS COMPANY
(fertilizer)
. . . ELF brought Ironite to court, and Ironite -- after initially
filing frivolous claims that its "free speech rights" were violated if
it had to warn about toxic metals

-- agreed to reformulate its products to get rid of the heavy metals
altogether, and to contribute hundreds of thousands of dollars to the
effort to clean up California's waters.

Woof, woof, gunny;O)

What is with all this barking billy, are you a son of a bitch?