I'm sorry but food is a political issue
 

http://preview.tinyurl.com/27ldgob

or

http://books.google.com/books?id=zvz...ntcover&dq=foo
d+politics&source=bl&ots=4rU9bKzNwB&sig=_rGXfRoSMn JragGHmKS4cuC1oJ8&hl=en
&ei=jyiSTJiYL8K78gb8semiBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct= result&resnum=3&ved=0CD
MQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false

Seems some folks want to control what we eat and how we eat. I think
that stinks.

Don't like it eat some artificial crab meat.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/imitation-crab/

--
Bill S. Jersey USA zone 5 shade garden
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q0JfdP36kI
http://www.lascaux.culture.fr/index.php?lng=fr&acc=true

I'm sorry but food is a political issue
 

In article ,
Bill who putters wrote:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/27ldgob

or

http://books.google.com/books?id=zvz...ntcover&dq=foo
d+politics&source=bl&ots=4rU9bKzNwB&sig=_rGXfRoSMn JragGHmKS4cuC1oJ8&hl=en
&ei=jyiSTJiYL8K78gb8semiBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct= result&resnum=3&ved=0CD
MQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false

Seems some folks want to control what we eat and how we eat. I think
that stinks.

Don't like it eat some artificial crab meat.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/imitation-crab/

Nothing to Apologize about. Someday gardens are trees maybe not needed.
Just like in the movie classic, "Silent Running" with Bruce Dern.
In that movie the entire planet consumed artificial foods.

Also the "high fructose corn syrup" to be renamed "Corn Sugar".
http://www.usatoday.com/money/advert...rn-syrup_N.htm

Sounds much nicer :)

--
Enjoy Life... Dan
Garden in Zone 5 South East Michigan.
Using a Laptop

I'm sorry but food is a political issue
 

On 9/16/2010 11:20 AM, Dan L. wrote:
In ,
Bill who wrote:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/27ldgob

or

http://books.google.com/books?id=zvz...ntcover&dq=foo
d+politics&source=bl&ots=4rU9bKzNwB&sig=_rGXfRoSMn JragGHmKS4cuC1oJ8&hl=en
&ei=jyiSTJiYL8K78gb8semiBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct= result&resnum=3&ved=0CD
MQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false

Seems some folks want to control what we eat and how we eat. I think
that stinks.

Don't like it eat some artificial crab meat.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/imitation-crab/

Nothing to Apologize about. Someday gardens are trees maybe not needed.
Just like in the movie classic, "Silent Running" with Bruce Dern.
In that movie the entire planet consumed artificial foods.

Also the "high fructose corn syrup" to be renamed "Corn Sugar".
http://www.usatoday.com/money/advert...rn-syrup_N.htm

Sounds much nicer :)

It would be a misnomer as corn sugar is glucose.
High fructose corn syrup is something else but is functionally identical
to sucrose when put in the high acid environment of sodas.
Food police should bitch about something real.

I'm sorry but food is a political issue
 

In article ,
"Dan L." wrote:

In article ,
Bill who putters wrote:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/27ldgob

or

http://books.google.com/books?id=zvz...ntcover&dq=foo
d+politics&source=bl&ots=4rU9bKzNwB&sig=_rGXfRoSMn JragGHmKS4cuC1oJ8&hl=en
&ei=jyiSTJiYL8K78gb8semiBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct= result&resnum=3&ved=0CD
MQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false

Seems some folks want to control what we eat and how we eat. I think
that stinks.

Don't like it eat some artificial crab meat.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/imitation-crab/

Nothing to Apologize about. Someday gardens are trees maybe not needed.
Just like in the movie classic, "Silent Running" with Bruce Dern.
In that movie the entire planet consumed artificial foods.

Also the "high fructose corn syrup" to be renamed "Corn Sugar".
http://www.usatoday.com/money/advert...rn-syrup_N.htm

Sounds much nicer :)

Huey and Dewy along with a sound track with a young Joan Baez.

http://www.schickele.com/shoppe/psrec/silent.htm

--
Bill S. Jersey USA zone 5 shade garden
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q0JfdP36kI
http://www.lascaux.culture.fr/index.php?lng=fr&acc=true

I'm sorry but food is a political issue
 

In article ,
Frank wrote:

On 9/16/2010 11:20 AM, Dan L. wrote:
In ,
Bill who wrote:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/27ldgob

or

http://books.google.com/books?id=zvz...ntcover&dq=foo
d+politics&source=bl&ots=4rU9bKzNwB&sig=_rGXfRoSMn JragGHmKS4cuC1oJ8&hl=en
&ei=jyiSTJiYL8K78gb8semiBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct= result&resnum=3&ved=0CD
MQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false

Seems some folks want to control what we eat and how we eat. I think
that stinks.

Don't like it eat some artificial crab meat.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/imitation-crab/

Nothing to Apologize about. Someday gardens are trees maybe not needed.
Just like in the movie classic, "Silent Running" with Bruce Dern.
In that movie the entire planet consumed artificial foods.

Also the "high fructose corn syrup" to be renamed "Corn Sugar".
http://www.usatoday.com/money/advert...rn-syrup_N.htm

Sounds much nicer :)

It would be a misnomer as corn sugar is glucose.
High fructose corn syrup is something else but is functionally identical
to sucrose when put in the high acid environment of sodas.
Food police should bitch about something real.

Here you go Frank almost all in one place dealing with "Food Police".

http://www.akdart.com/food.html

Don't know who runs the site BTW.

--
Bill S. Jersey USA zone 5 shade garden
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q0JfdP36kI
http://www.lascaux.culture.fr/index.php?lng=fr&acc=true

I'm sorry but food is a political issue
 

Bill who putters wrote:
In article ,
"Dan L." wrote:

In article ,
Bill who putters wrote:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/27ldgob

or

http://books.google.com/books?id=zvz...ntcover&dq=foo
d+politics&source=bl&ots=4rU9bKzNwB&sig=_rGXfRoSMn JragGHmKS4cuC1oJ8&hl=en
&ei=jyiSTJiYL8K78gb8semiBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct= result&resnum=3&ved=0CD
MQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false

Seems some folks want to control what we eat and how we eat. I
think
that stinks.

Don't like it eat some artificial crab meat.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/imitation-crab/

Nothing to Apologize about. Someday gardens are trees maybe not
needed.
Just like in the movie classic, "Silent Running" with Bruce Dern.
In that movie the entire planet consumed artificial foods.

Also the "high fructose corn syrup" to be renamed "Corn Sugar".
http://www.usatoday.com/money/advert...rn-syrup_N.htm

Sounds much nicer :)

Huey and Dewy along with a sound track with a young Joan Baez.

http://www.schickele.com/shoppe/psrec/silent.htm

Ah... You remember the robots names, I thought there were three based on
disney's cartoon... Was it Luey the first one that got blown off the
spaceship?

--
Enjoy Life... Dan L (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

I'm sorry but food is a political issue
 

Frank wrote:
On 9/16/2010 11:20 AM, Dan L. wrote:
In ,
Bill who wrote:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/27ldgob

or

http://books.google.com/books?id=zvz...ntcover&dq=foo
d+politics&source=bl&ots=4rU9bKzNwB&sig=_rGXfRoSMn JragGHmKS4cuC1oJ8&hl=en
&ei=jyiSTJiYL8K78gb8semiBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct= result&resnum=3&ved=0CD
MQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false

Seems some folks want to control what we eat and how we eat. I
think
that stinks.

Don't like it eat some artificial crab meat.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/imitation-crab/

Nothing to Apologize about. Someday gardens are trees maybe not
needed.
Just like in the movie classic, "Silent Running" with Bruce Dern.
In that movie the entire planet consumed artificial foods.

Also the "high fructose corn syrup" to be renamed "Corn Sugar".
http://www.usatoday.com/money/advert...rn-syrup_N.htm

Sounds much nicer :)

It would be a misnomer as corn sugar is glucose.
High fructose corn syrup is something else but is functionally
identical to sucrose when put in the high acid environment of sodas.
Food police should bitch about something real.

Hmmm... Fructose and sucrose are two different types of sugar. Sucrose
causes an insulin reaction. Fructose does not cause an insulin reaction.
Fruticose is converted to fat by the liver. A high fructose diet is a
high fat diet.

Source: lookup YouTube.com for a video called "sugar: the bitter truth"
the good doctor explains how high fructose diets causes type 2 diabetes.
The video is one and half hours long, but worth while watching.

--
Enjoy Life... Dan L (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

I'm sorry but food is a political issue
 

In article ,
Dan L wrote:

Bill who putters wrote:
In article ,
"Dan L." wrote:

In article ,
Bill who putters wrote:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/27ldgob

or

http://books.google.com/books?id=zvz...ntcover&dq=foo
d+politics&source=bl&ots=4rU9bKzNwB&sig=_rGXfRoSMn JragGHmKS4cuC1oJ8&hl=en
&ei=jyiSTJiYL8K78gb8semiBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct= result&resnum=3&ved=0CD
MQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false

Seems some folks want to control what we eat and how we eat. I
think
that stinks.

Don't like it eat some artificial crab meat.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/imitation-crab/

Nothing to Apologize about. Someday gardens are trees maybe not
needed.
Just like in the movie classic, "Silent Running" with Bruce Dern.
In that movie the entire planet consumed artificial foods.

Also the "high fructose corn syrup" to be renamed "Corn Sugar".
http://www.usatoday.com/money/advert...rn-syrup_N.htm

Sounds much nicer :)

Huey and Dewy along with a sound track with a young Joan Baez.

http://www.schickele.com/shoppe/psrec/silent.htm

Ah... You remember the robots names, I thought there were three based on
disney's cartoon... Was it Luey the first one that got blown off the
spaceship?

Can't remember . But sure could use a huey around here. :)))

Listening to a thunderstorm approaching I hope we get drenched not only
for plant life but to reduce serious fire issues.
Weird hot/dry spell.

--
Bill S. Jersey USA zone 5 shade garden
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q0JfdP36kI
http://www.lascaux.culture.fr/index.php?lng=fr&acc=true

I'm sorry but food is a political issue
 

Dan L wrote:
Bill who putters wrote:
"Dan L." wrote:

Just like in the movie classic, "Silent Running" with Bruce Dern.

Huey and Dewy along with a sound track with a young Joan Baez.

Ah... You remember the robots names, I thought there were three based on
disney's cartoon... Was it Luey the first one that got blown off the
spaceship?

http://www.the-robotman.com/

There's a guy who makes and sells replicas of famous movie robots
including Huey, Duey and Louie. Robby from "Forbidden Planet" and D9
from "Lost in Space" and several others as well.

I'm sorry but food is a political issue
 

On 9/16/2010 5:14 PM, Dan L wrote:
wrote:
On 9/16/2010 11:20 AM, Dan L. wrote:
In ,
Bill who wrote:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/27ldgob

or

http://books.google.com/books?id=zvz...ntcover&dq=foo
d+politics&source=bl&ots=4rU9bKzNwB&sig=_rGXfRoSMn JragGHmKS4cuC1oJ8&hl=en
&ei=jyiSTJiYL8K78gb8semiBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct= result&resnum=3&ved=0CD
MQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false

Seems some folks want to control what we eat and how we eat. I
think
that stinks.

Don't like it eat some artificial crab meat.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/imitation-crab/

Nothing to Apologize about. Someday gardens are trees maybe not
needed.
Just like in the movie classic, "Silent Running" with Bruce Dern.
In that movie the entire planet consumed artificial foods.

Also the "high fructose corn syrup" to be renamed "Corn Sugar".
http://www.usatoday.com/money/advert...rn-syrup_N.htm

Sounds much nicer :)

It would be a misnomer as corn sugar is glucose.
High fructose corn syrup is something else but is functionally
identical to sucrose when put in the high acid environment of sodas.
Food police should bitch about something real.

Hmmm... Fructose and sucrose are two different types of sugar. Sucrose
causes an insulin reaction. Fructose does not cause an insulin reaction.
Fruticose is converted to fat by the liver. A high fructose diet is a
high fat diet.

Source: lookup YouTube.com for a video called "sugar: the bitter truth"
the good doctor explains how high fructose diets causes type 2 diabetes.
The video is one and half hours long, but worth while watching.

I'm a retired chemist, which is why some of this stuff bugs me.
Sucrose from sugar cane or beets is a disaccharide of glucose and
fructose. Corn sugar is glucose and high fructose corn syrup is corn
sugar treated with an enzyme to convert half of the glucose to fructose.
It is not a disaccharide but in the low pH soda environment, sucrose
inverts to the individual sugars, so functionally and nutritionally high
fructose corn syrup and sucrose are the same.
Fructose in the main sugar in fruits. I'm not familiar with the blood
chemistry but did spend a summer as a lab tech in a plant that converted
sucrose and glucose to sorbitol and mannitol.

I'm sorry but food is a political issue
 

On 9/16/2010 4:22 PM, Bill who putters wrote:
In ,
wrote:

On 9/16/2010 11:20 AM, Dan L. wrote:
In ,
Bill who wrote:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/27ldgob

or

http://books.google.com/books?id=zvz...ntcover&dq=foo
d+politics&source=bl&ots=4rU9bKzNwB&sig=_rGXfRoSMn JragGHmKS4cuC1oJ8&hl=en
&ei=jyiSTJiYL8K78gb8semiBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct= result&resnum=3&ved=0CD
MQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false

Seems some folks want to control what we eat and how we eat. I think
that stinks.

Don't like it eat some artificial crab meat.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/imitation-crab/

Nothing to Apologize about. Someday gardens are trees maybe not needed.
Just like in the movie classic, "Silent Running" with Bruce Dern.
In that movie the entire planet consumed artificial foods.

Also the "high fructose corn syrup" to be renamed "Corn Sugar".
http://www.usatoday.com/money/advert...rn-syrup_N.htm

Sounds much nicer :)

It would be a misnomer as corn sugar is glucose.
High fructose corn syrup is something else but is functionally identical
to sucrose when put in the high acid environment of sodas.
Food police should bitch about something real.

Here you go Frank almost all in one place dealing with "Food Police".

http://www.akdart.com/food.html

Don't know who runs the site BTW.

Don't think they have it all but good example of what is called the
nanny state.

I'm sorry but food is a political issue
 

Frank wrote:
Also the "high fructose corn syrup" to be renamed "Corn Sugar".
http://www.usatoday.com/money/advert...rn-syrup_N.htm

Sounds much nicer :)

It would be a misnomer as corn sugar is glucose.
High fructose corn syrup is something else but is functionally
identical to sucrose when put in the high acid environment of sodas.
Food police should bitch about something real.

Please explain this matter of "functionally identical". How does the high
acid environment bring this about?

David

I'm sorry but food is a political issue
 

Frank wrote:
It would be a misnomer as corn sugar is glucose.
High fructose corn syrup is something else but is functionally
identical to sucrose when put in the high acid environment of sodas.
Food police should bitch about something real.

Hmmm... Fructose and sucrose are two different types of sugar.
Sucrose causes an insulin reaction. Fructose does not cause an
insulin reaction. Fruticose is converted to fat by the liver. A high
fructose diet is a high fat diet.

Source: lookup YouTube.com for a video called "sugar: the bitter
truth" the good doctor explains how high fructose diets causes type
2 diabetes. The video is one and half hours long, but worth while
watching.
I'm a retired chemist, which is why some of this stuff bugs me.
Sucrose from sugar cane or beets is a disaccharide of glucose and
fructose. Corn sugar is glucose and high fructose corn syrup is corn
sugar treated with an enzyme to convert half of the glucose to
fructose. It is not a disaccharide but in the low pH soda
environment, sucrose inverts to the individual sugars, so
functionally and nutritionally high fructose corn syrup and sucrose
are the same.

Sounds plausible. The question is though how fast? I would expect this
fission to require heat and/or enzymes to proceed at any reasonable speed.
By the time the sugars are in your gut and being absorbed how much sucrose
has been broken down? Unless it is a substantial proportion your argument
fails.

But even if true the argument is rather pointless.

If historically we used to get sucrose in soft drinks (which you say breaks
down to glucose and fructose) and now get it pre broken down how does that
show that complaining about HFCS in food is inappropriate? If regular high
intakes of fructose are harmful, as some studies suggest, we should be
reducing the intake rather than saying it is no worse than what was
previously doing harm.

David

I'm sorry but food is a political issue
 

"Frank" wrote in message
On 9/16/2010 5:14 PM, Dan L wrote:
wrote:
On 9/16/2010 11:20 AM, Dan L. wrote:
In ,
Bill who wrote:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/27ldgob

or

http://books.google.com/books?id=zvz...ntcover&dq=foo
d+politics&source=bl&ots=4rU9bKzNwB&sig=_rGXfRoSMn JragGHmKS4cuC1oJ8&hl=en
&ei=jyiSTJiYL8K78gb8semiBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct= result&resnum=3&ved=0CD
MQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false

Seems some folks want to control what we eat and how we eat. I
think
that stinks.

Don't like it eat some artificial crab meat.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/imitation-crab/

Nothing to Apologize about. Someday gardens are trees maybe not
needed.
Just like in the movie classic, "Silent Running" with Bruce Dern.
In that movie the entire planet consumed artificial foods.

Also the "high fructose corn syrup" to be renamed "Corn Sugar".
http://www.usatoday.com/money/advert...rn-syrup_N.htm

Sounds much nicer :)

It would be a misnomer as corn sugar is glucose.
High fructose corn syrup is something else but is functionally
identical to sucrose when put in the high acid environment of sodas.
Food police should bitch about something real.

Hmmm... Fructose and sucrose are two different types of sugar. Sucrose
causes an insulin reaction. Fructose does not cause an insulin reaction.
Fruticose is converted to fat by the liver. A high fructose diet is a
high fat diet.

Source: lookup YouTube.com for a video called "sugar: the bitter truth"
the good doctor explains how high fructose diets causes type 2 diabetes.
The video is one and half hours long, but worth while watching.

I'm a retired chemist, which is why some of this stuff bugs me.
Sucrose from sugar cane or beets is a disaccharide of glucose and
fructose. Corn sugar is glucose and high fructose corn syrup is corn
sugar treated with an enzyme to convert half of the glucose to fructose.
It is not a disaccharide but in the low pH soda environment, sucrose
inverts to the individual sugars, so functionally and nutritionally high
fructose corn syrup and sucrose are the same.
Fructose in the main sugar in fruits. I'm not familiar with the blood
chemistry but did spend a summer as a lab tech in a plant that converted
sucrose and glucose to sorbitol and mannitol.

With those quals, you really should look at the Youtube reference DanL
suggested. You might have the quals to fully understand it, I don't, but
even without them, after seeing it, I was very thankful that I don't live in
the US.

I'm sorry but food is a political issue
 

On Sep 16, 7:30*pm, "David Hare-Scott" wrote:
Frank wrote:
It would be a misnomer as corn sugar is glucose.
High fructose corn syrup is something else but is functionally
identical to sucrose when put in the high acid environment of sodas.
Food police should bitch about something real.

Hmmm... Fructose and sucrose are two different types of sugar.
Sucrose causes an insulin reaction. Fructose does not cause an
insulin reaction. Fruticose is converted to fat by the liver. A high
fructose diet is a high fat diet.

Source: lookup YouTube.com for a video called "sugar: the bitter
truth" the good doctor explains how high fructose diets causes type
2 diabetes. The video is one and half hours long, but worth while
watching.
I'm a retired chemist, which is why some of this stuff bugs me.
Sucrose from sugar cane or beets is a disaccharide of glucose and
fructose. *Corn sugar is glucose and high fructose corn syrup is corn
sugar treated with an enzyme to convert half of the glucose to
*fructose. It is not a disaccharide but in the low pH soda
environment, sucrose inverts to the individual sugars, so
functionally and nutritionally high fructose corn syrup and sucrose
are the same.

Sounds plausible. *The question is though how fast? *I would expect this
fission to require heat and/or enzymes to proceed at any reasonable speed..
By the time the sugars are in your gut and being absorbed how much sucrose
has been broken down? *Unless it is a substantial proportion your argument
fails.

But even if true the argument is rather pointless.

If historically we used to get sucrose in soft drinks (which you say breaks
down to glucose and fructose) and now get it pre broken down how does that
show that complaining about HFCS in food is inappropriate? *If regular high
intakes of fructose are harmful, as some studies suggest, we should be
reducing the intake rather than saying it is no worse than what was
previously doing harm.

David- Hide quoted text -

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I can't remember specifics. We used to add a few ml. of concentrated
sulfuric acid to a tank of sugar solution to invert. Not sure how
long it took, actual pH or temperature but operator would be back in
an hour or so for me to check completion of inversion. It's been
decades but I remember the night I told the operator to add too much
acid and when he came back he told me that he added far less as he
thought I was wrong. In the plant it could be an expensive mistake as
hydrogenated product would be colored and could only be used for
industrial uses instead of more valuable food use. Glucose
hydrogenates to sorbitol and fructose gives 50/50 sorbitol and
mannitol.

Should be just as rapid in the gut or in the bottle with acidic sodas.

Enzymes also do it:

http://terpconnect.umd.edu/~nsw/ench485/lab14.htm

and interesting to read that honey is mostly invert sugar due to the
bees enzymes.