Wikipedia says pumpkins are a warm season crop and in the US most grow
in Illinois and are planted in July.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumpkin

Now obviously the US is a big place and has different climates in the
north and south but in my experience pumpkins need a long growing
season to allow the fruit to reach full size and to ripen. Here they
grow between last frost and first frost, about 8 months, even so a
number are not full size or ripe as the vine keeps flowering and
setting fruit up until death. I grow table (not cattle) pumpkins and
in that time I get about 30 mature fruit (100kg, 250lbs) per vine. The
vine is quite large!

If it is too cold to plant until July how long can the season be, two
or three months? Does this mean that each vine only ripens the first
set fruit in the limited time? What kind of yield per vine do they
get?

Could somebody with relevant experience who is not too far from
Illinois shed some light please.

David

On Fri, 27 May 2011 10:31:07 +1000, David Hare-Scott
wrote:

Wikipedia says pumpkins are a warm season crop and in the US most grow
in Illinois and are planted in July.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumpkin

Now obviously the US is a big place and has different climates in the
north and south but in my experience pumpkins need a long growing
season to allow the fruit to reach full size and to ripen.

There is a subtle difference-- but what IL is claiming is that they
provide 95% of the "Processed" pumpkins. not Jack-o-lanterns. That
might be in large part because Nestle is there- not because of their
'perfect for pumpkin' climate..

The Sugar Baby pumpkins that I used to grow for pies were a 60-70 day
crop- unlike the big ones that are 120+.

-snip-

If it is too cold to plant until July how long can the season be, two
or three months? Does this mean that each vine only ripens the first
set fruit in the limited time? What kind of yield per vine do they
get?

Could somebody with relevant experience who is not too far from
Illinois shed some light please.

I'm not in IL- but I'm zone 5. My sugar baby's were a long time ago,
but if I remember correctly, the vines would set a 1/2 dozen fruit and
they'd ripen. Kind of like a determinate tomato.

Jim

Jim Elbrecht wrote:

-snip-

The Sugar Baby pumpkins that I used to grow for pies were a 60-70 day
crop- unlike the big ones that are 120+.

I can't find "Sugar Baby" -- but further thought & a bit of poking
around makes me think these were more like 90 day pumpkins. I
planted them 2nd week of June & first frost was usually mid-Sept.

This page has a bunch of pumpkin varieties and mentions the vine,
which reminded me that these things I used to grow were 'bush'
pumpkins.

Jim

Jim Elbrecht wrote:

Jim Elbrecht wrote:

-snip-

The Sugar Baby pumpkins that I used to grow for pies were a 60-70 day
crop- unlike the big ones that are 120+.

I can't find "Sugar Baby" -- but further thought & a bit of poking
around makes me think these were more like 90 day pumpkins. I
planted them 2nd week of June & first frost was usually mid-Sept.

This page has a bunch of pumpkin varieties and mentions the vine,
which reminded me that these things I used to grow were 'bush'
pumpkins.

That would be *this* page-
http://www.backyardgardener.com/RUPP.HTM


Jim

"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
...
Wikipedia says pumpkins are a warm season crop and in the US most grow
in Illinois and are planted in July.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumpkin

Now obviously the US is a big place and has different climates in the
north and south but in my experience pumpkins need a long growing
season to allow the fruit to reach full size and to ripen. Here they
grow between last frost and first frost, about 8 months, even so a
number are not full size or ripe as the vine keeps flowering and
setting fruit up until death. I grow table (not cattle) pumpkins and
in that time I get about 30 mature fruit (100kg, 250lbs) per vine. The
vine is quite large!

If it is too cold to plant until July how long can the season be, two
or three months? Does this mean that each vine only ripens the first
set fruit in the limited time? What kind of yield per vine do they
get?

Could somebody with relevant experience who is not too far from
Illinois shed some light please.

David you'd know that I'm nowhere near the locale you're asking about, but a
USian in another ng who visits Oz often said that the pumpkins we have in Oz
aren't pumpkins but marrows.

I know she's not a gardener at all so probalby has no idea what she's
talking about and she and I don't like each other so we tend to butt heads
often, but that comment may be worth keeping at the back of your mind.
Another poster in that thread suggested that our gramma may be closer to the
US 'pumpkin'. I've still go no idea about the subject even though I've read
the US 'Seed to Seed' on the topic. I've often wondered aobut using a
Queensland Blue in a sweet pie and the thought makes me gag - certainly a
savoury pie, but never a dessert.

On 5/26/2011 8:31 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
Wikipedia says pumpkins are a warm season crop and in the US most grow
in Illinois and are planted in July.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumpkin

Now obviously the US is a big place and has different climates in the
north and south but in my experience pumpkins need a long growing
season to allow the fruit to reach full size and to ripen. Here they
grow between last frost and first frost, about 8 months, even so a
number are not full size or ripe as the vine keeps flowering and
setting fruit up until death. I grow table (not cattle) pumpkins and
in that time I get about 30 mature fruit (100kg, 250lbs) per vine. The
vine is quite large!

If it is too cold to plant until July how long can the season be, two
or three months? Does this mean that each vine only ripens the first
set fruit in the limited time? What kind of yield per vine do they
get?

Could somebody with relevant experience who is not too far from
Illinois shed some light please.

David

Reminds me of stories I've heard about huge pumpkins growing in Alaska:

http://www.gadling.com/2007/07/16/gi...ka-state-fair/

Assuming short growing season, Alaska's long summer days make up for it.

On Fri, 27 May 2011 07:16:08 -0400, Frank
wrote:

On 5/26/2011 8:31 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
Wikipedia says pumpkins are a warm season crop and in the US most grow
in Illinois and are planted in July.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumpkin

Now obviously the US is a big place and has different climates in the
north and south but in my experience pumpkins need a long growing
season to allow the fruit to reach full size and to ripen. Here they
grow between last frost and first frost, about 8 months, even so a
number are not full size or ripe as the vine keeps flowering and
setting fruit up until death. I grow table (not cattle) pumpkins and
in that time I get about 30 mature fruit (100kg, 250lbs) per vine. The
vine is quite large!

If it is too cold to plant until July how long can the season be, two
or three months? Does this mean that each vine only ripens the first
set fruit in the limited time? What kind of yield per vine do they
get?

Could somebody with relevant experience who is not too far from
Illinois shed some light please.

David

Reminds me of stories I've heard about huge pumpkins growing in Alaska:

http://www.gadling.com/2007/07/16/gi...ka-state-fair/

Assuming short growing season, Alaska's long summer days make up for it.

The get some incredible tomatoes up there, too.

But a 1000 pound pumpkin? In 2007 that was 'big'. Now it is just
an also ran-
2011 - 1810.5 pounds- Wisconsin
2009- 1725 pounds - Ohio
2007- 1689- Rhode Island
2006- 1502- Rhode Island
2005 - 1469- Pennsylvania
2004- 1446- Ontario, Canada

The biggest pumpkin I've ever touched was 600lbs, more or less-- These
1000 pounders boggle the mind. Interesting that the records for
the past 10 years are mostly all in the Northeast US & neighboring
Canada. [Wisconsin is north central- and there are a couple or Oregon
records- representing the Northwest]

I imagine part of it is the lack of intense heat as these vines soak
up gallons of water on a hot day. We must have the right balance of
heat & humidity to promote growth without stressing the plant.

Jim

On Fri, 27 May 2011 10:31:07 +1000, David Hare-Scott
wrote:

Wikipedia says pumpkins are a warm season crop and in the US most grow
in Illinois and are planted in July.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumpkin

Now obviously the US is a big place and has different climates in the
north and south but in my experience pumpkins need a long growing
season to allow the fruit to reach full size and to ripen. Here they
grow between last frost and first frost, about 8 months, even so a
number are not full size or ripe as the vine keeps flowering and
setting fruit up until death. I grow table (not cattle) pumpkins and
in that time I get about 30 mature fruit (100kg, 250lbs) per vine. The
vine is quite large!

If it is too cold to plant until July how long can the season be, two
or three months? Does this mean that each vine only ripens the first
set fruit in the limited time? What kind of yield per vine do they
get?

Could somebody with relevant experience who is not too far from
Illinois shed some light please.

David


Wiki also says "In Australian English, the name 'pumpkin' generally
refers to the broader category called winter squash in North America."

Winter squash are Acorn, butternut, spaghetti, etc. Here is a link
to the Burpee seed co. with instructions for growing.
http://www.burpee.com/vegetables/squash/
Select the page for their winter squash seeds. I noticed that the
dates for the average first & last frosts are the same for USDA
hardiness zones are the same for zones 7a and 5a (Chicago) are the
same even though the average low temperatures are about 10 degrees
different. The last frost is given as mid April and first frost is
mid October. I used zip code 60601, (Chicago) for Illinois.

I live in zone 7a (western North Carolina) and I just got my plants in
the ground this past week. I probably could have set them out sooner
but didn't have time. I start mine in the greenhouse. I planted
Acorn and Butternut squashes and Pumpkin. I also planted green and
yellow zucchini.
--
USA
North Carolina Foothills
USDA Zone 7a
To find your extension office
http://www.csrees.usda.gov/Extension/index.html

In article ,
Jim Elbrecht wrote:

Jim Elbrecht wrote:

-snip-

The Sugar Baby pumpkins that I used to grow for pies were a 60-70 day
crop- unlike the big ones that are 120+.

I can't find "Sugar Baby" -- but further thought & a bit of poking
around makes me think these were more like 90 day pumpkins. I
planted them 2nd week of June & first frost was usually mid-Sept.

This page has a bunch of pumpkin varieties and mentions the vine,
which reminded me that these things I used to grow were 'bush'
pumpkins.

Jim

Thanks for the search. Typing "Sugar Baby" into Google was quite
titillating ;O)
--
- Billy

Mad dog Republicans to the right. Democratic spider webs to the left. True conservatives, and liberals not to be found anywhere in the phantasmagoria
of the American political landscape.

America is not broke. The country is awash in wealth and cash.
It's just that it's not in your hands. It has been transferred, in the
greatest heist in history, from the workers and consumers to the banks
and the portfolios of the uber-rich.
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/.../michael-moore
/michael-moore-says-400-americans-have-more-wealth-/

On Fri, 27 May 2011 09:59:40 -0700, Billy
wrote:

In article ,
Jim Elbrecht wrote:

Jim Elbrecht wrote:

-snip-

The Sugar Baby pumpkins that I used to grow for pies were a 60-70 day
crop- unlike the big ones that are 120+.

I can't find "Sugar Baby" -- but further thought & a bit of poking
around makes me think these were more like 90 day pumpkins. I
planted them 2nd week of June & first frost was usually mid-Sept.

This page has a bunch of pumpkin varieties and mentions the vine,
which reminded me that these things I used to grow were 'bush'
pumpkins.

Jim

Thanks for the search. Typing "Sugar Baby" into Google was quite
titillating ;O)

We have an productive cumquat tree. My wife went googling "cumquat
jam". You do get some recipes but not all are to do with boiling
fruit with sugar.

David

In article ,
David Hare-Scott wrote:

On Fri, 27 May 2011 09:59:40 -0700, Billy
wrote:

In article ,
Jim Elbrecht wrote:

Jim Elbrecht wrote:

-snip-

The Sugar Baby pumpkins that I used to grow for pies were a 60-70 day
crop- unlike the big ones that are 120+.

I can't find "Sugar Baby" -- but further thought & a bit of poking
around makes me think these were more like 90 day pumpkins. I
planted them 2nd week of June & first frost was usually mid-Sept.

This page has a bunch of pumpkin varieties and mentions the vine,
which reminded me that these things I used to grow were 'bush'
pumpkins.

Jim

Thanks for the search. Typing "Sugar Baby" into Google was quite
titillating ;O)

We have an productive cumquat tree. My wife went googling "cumquat
jam". You do get some recipes but not all are to do with boiling
fruit with sugar.

David

DAVID, WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA?!!

Ah, there, that feels better ;O)

Anyway, I'm always ready to give it a go, so I typed "cumquat jam" into
Google, and all I got was boiling fruit with sugar:O( However when I
type in "Sugar Baby", I get http://www.seekingarrangement.com/
"Seeking Arrangement", The Guide to Mutually Beneficial Relationships
;O)
http://www.sugarbaby4u.com/How-Men-C...ingly-Beautifu
l-SugarBaby.php
Who are you interested in meeting?
I Want Sugar Daddy
I Want Sugar Baby
Strictly Sugar Daddy
Serious Relationship
I want a Gay Sugar Daddy
I want a Baby Boy

ect., etc.
---

Not a pumpkin in sight.

The up-side is that with any luck that should occupy Shelly for awhile.

By coincidence, I turned on the radio and got:

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/5/27/eli_pariser_on_the_filter_bubble

Eli Pariser on "The Filter Bubble: What the Internet Is Hiding from You"

The internet is increasingly becoming an echo chamber in which websites
tailor information according to the preferences they detect in each
viewer. When some users search the word "Egypt," they may get the latest
news about the revolution, others might only see search results about
Egyptian vacations. The top 50 websites collect an average of 64 bits of
personal information each time we visit--and then custom-design their
sites to conform to our perceived preferences. What impact will this
online filtering have on the future of democracy? We speak to Eli
Pariser, author of The Filter Bubble: What the Internet Is Hiding from
You. "Take news about the war in Afghanistan. When you talk to people
who run news websites, they'll tell you stories about the war in
Afghanistan don't perform very well. They don't get a lot of clicks.
People don't flock to them. And yet, this is arguably one of the most
important issues facing the country," says Pariser. "But it will never
make it through these filters. And especially on Facebook this is a
problem, because the way that information is transmitted on Facebook is
with the 'like' button. And the 'like' button, it has a very particular
valence. It's easy to click 'like' on 'I just ran a marathon' or 'I
baked a really awesome cake.' It's very hard to click 'like' on 'war in
Afghanistan enters its 10th year.'"
---

AMY GOODMAN: So, this may surprise people. Two of us sitting here, me
and Juan, if we went online, the two of us, and put into Google "Eli
Pariser"--

ELI PARISER: Right.

AMY GOODMAN:--we actually might come up with a wholly different set of
finds, a totally different set of links, of search results.

ELI PARISER: That's right. I was surprised. I didn't know that that was,
you know, how it was working, until I stumbled across a little blog post
on Google's blog that said "personalized search for everyone." And as it
turns out, for the last several years, there is no standard Google.
There's no sort of "this is the link that is the best link." It's the
best link for you. And the definition of what the best link for you is,
is the thing that you're the most likely to click. So, it's not
necessarily what you need to know; it's what you want to know, what
you're most likely to click.
(cont.)
---

Obviously, David, you are leading a dissolute life behind that facade of
being the gentleman gardener.

Soooo, what other sites have you found ;O)?
--
- Billy

Mad dog Republicans to the right. Democratic spider webs to the left. True conservatives, and liberals not to be found anywhere in the phantasmagoria
of the American political landscape.

America is not broke. The country is awash in wealth and cash.
It's just that it's not in your hands. It has been transferred, in the
greatest heist in history, from the workers and consumers to the banks
and the portfolios of the uber-rich.
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/.../michael-moore
/michael-moore-says-400-americans-have-more-wealth-/

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
David Hare-Scott wrote:

On Fri, 27 May 2011 09:59:40 -0700, Billy
wrote:

In article ,
Jim Elbrecht wrote:

Jim Elbrecht wrote:

-snip-

The Sugar Baby pumpkins that I used to grow for pies were a 60-70 day
crop- unlike the big ones that are 120+.

I can't find "Sugar Baby" -- but further thought & a bit of poking
around makes me think these were more like 90 day pumpkins. I
planted them 2nd week of June & first frost was usually mid-Sept.

This page has a bunch of pumpkin varieties and mentions the vine,
which reminded me that these things I used to grow were 'bush'
pumpkins.

Jim

Thanks for the search. Typing "Sugar Baby" into Google was quite
titillating ;O)

We have an productive cumquat tree. My wife went googling "cumquat
jam". You do get some recipes but not all are to do with boiling
fruit with sugar.

David

DAVID, WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA?!!

Ah, there, that feels better ;O)

Anyway, I'm always ready to give it a go, so I typed "cumquat jam" into
Google, and all I got was boiling fruit with sugar:O( However when I
type in "Sugar Baby", I get http://www.seekingarrangement.com/
"Seeking Arrangement", The Guide to Mutually Beneficial Relationships
;O)
http://www.sugarbaby4u.com/How-Men-C...ingly-Beautifu
l-SugarBaby.php
Who are you interested in meeting?
I Want Sugar Daddy
I Want Sugar Baby
Strictly Sugar Daddy
Serious Relationship
I want a Gay Sugar Daddy
I want a Baby Boy

ect., etc.
---

Not a pumpkin in sight.

Don't even think about Googleing "fudge".

The up-side is that with any luck that should occupy Shelly for awhile.

By coincidence, I turned on the radio and got:

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/5/27/eli_pariser_on_the_filter_bubble

Eli Pariser on "The Filter Bubble: What the Internet Is Hiding from You"

The internet is increasingly becoming an echo chamber in which websites
tailor information according to the preferences they detect in each
viewer. When some users search the word "Egypt," they may get the latest
news about the revolution, others might only see search results about
Egyptian vacations. The top 50 websites collect an average of 64 bits of
personal information each time we visit--and then custom-design their
sites to conform to our perceived preferences. What impact will this
online filtering have on the future of democracy? We speak to Eli
Pariser, author of The Filter Bubble: What the Internet Is Hiding from
You. "Take news about the war in Afghanistan. When you talk to people
who run news websites, they'll tell you stories about the war in
Afghanistan don't perform very well. They don't get a lot of clicks.
People don't flock to them. And yet, this is arguably one of the most
important issues facing the country," says Pariser. "But it will never
make it through these filters. And especially on Facebook this is a
problem, because the way that information is transmitted on Facebook is
with the 'like' button. And the 'like' button, it has a very particular
valence. It's easy to click 'like' on 'I just ran a marathon' or 'I
baked a really awesome cake.' It's very hard to click 'like' on 'war in
Afghanistan enters its 10th year.'"
---

AMY GOODMAN: So, this may surprise people. Two of us sitting here, me
and Juan, if we went online, the two of us, and put into Google "Eli
Pariser"--

ELI PARISER: Right.

AMY GOODMAN:--we actually might come up with a wholly different set of
finds, a totally different set of links, of search results.

ELI PARISER: That's right. I was surprised. I didn't know that that was,
you know, how it was working, until I stumbled across a little blog post
on Google's blog that said "personalized search for everyone." And as it
turns out, for the last several years, there is no standard Google.
There's no sort of "this is the link that is the best link." It's the
best link for you. And the definition of what the best link for you is,
is the thing that you're the most likely to click. So, it's not
necessarily what you need to know; it's what you want to know, what
you're most likely to click.
(cont.)
---

Obviously, David, you are leading a dissolute life behind that facade of
being the gentleman gardener.

Soooo, what other sites have you found ;O)?
--
- Billy

Mad dog Republicans to the right. Democratic spider webs to the left. True
conservatives, and liberals not to be found anywhere in the phantasmagoria
of the American political landscape.

America is not broke. The country is awash in wealth and cash.
It's just that it's not in your hands. It has been transferred, in the
greatest heist in history, from the workers and consumers to the banks
and the portfolios of the uber-rich.
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/.../michael-moore
/michael-moore-says-400-americans-have-more-wealth-/

On Fri, 27 May 2011 16:50:53 -0700, Billy
wrote:

In article ,
David Hare-Scott wrote:

On Fri, 27 May 2011 09:59:40 -0700, Billy
wrote:

In article ,
Jim Elbrecht wrote:

Jim Elbrecht wrote:

-snip-

The Sugar Baby pumpkins that I used to grow for pies were a 60-70 day
crop- unlike the big ones that are 120+.

I can't find "Sugar Baby" -- but further thought & a bit of poking
around makes me think these were more like 90 day pumpkins. I
planted them 2nd week of June & first frost was usually mid-Sept.

This page has a bunch of pumpkin varieties and mentions the vine,
which reminded me that these things I used to grow were 'bush'
pumpkins.

Jim

Thanks for the search. Typing "Sugar Baby" into Google was quite
titillating ;O)

We have an productive cumquat tree. My wife went googling "cumquat
jam". You do get some recipes but not all are to do with boiling
fruit with sugar.

David

DAVID, WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA?!!

Ah, there, that feels better ;O)


I don't. Why did you say that? I don't see the connection.

D

In article ,
David Hare-Scott wrote:

On Fri, 27 May 2011 16:50:53 -0700, Billy
wrote:

In article ,
David Hare-Scott wrote:

On Fri, 27 May 2011 09:59:40 -0700, Billy
wrote:

In article ,
Jim Elbrecht wrote:

Jim Elbrecht wrote:

-snip-

The Sugar Baby pumpkins that I used to grow for pies were a 60-70 day
crop- unlike the big ones that are 120+.

I can't find "Sugar Baby" -- but further thought & a bit of poking
around makes me think these were more like 90 day pumpkins. I
planted them 2nd week of June & first frost was usually mid-Sept.

This page has a bunch of pumpkin varieties and mentions the vine,
which reminded me that these things I used to grow were 'bush'
pumpkins.

Jim

Thanks for the search. Typing "Sugar Baby" into Google was quite
titillating ;O)

We have an productive cumquat tree. My wife went googling "cumquat
jam". You do get some recipes but not all are to do with boiling
fruit with sugar.

David

DAVID, WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA?!!

Ah, there, that feels better ;O)


I don't. Why did you say that? I don't see the connection.

D

Do you have any sense of humor?
--
- Billy

Mad dog Republicans to the right. Democratic spider webs to the left. True conservatives, and liberals not to be found anywhere in the phantasmagoria
of the American political landscape.

America is not broke. The country is awash in wealth and cash.
It's just that it's not in your hands. It has been transferred, in the
greatest heist in history, from the workers and consumers to the banks
and the portfolios of the uber-rich.
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/.../michael-moore
/michael-moore-says-400-americans-have-more-wealth-/

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
David Hare-Scott wrote:

On Fri, 27 May 2011 16:50:53 -0700, Billy
wrote:

In article ,
David Hare-Scott wrote:

On Fri, 27 May 2011 09:59:40 -0700, Billy
wrote:

In article ,
Jim Elbrecht wrote:

Jim Elbrecht wrote:

-snip-

The Sugar Baby pumpkins that I used to grow for pies were a 60-70 day
crop- unlike the big ones that are 120+.

I can't find "Sugar Baby" -- but further thought & a bit of poking
around makes me think these were more like 90 day pumpkins. I
planted them 2nd week of June & first frost was usually mid-Sept.

This page has a bunch of pumpkin varieties and mentions the vine,
which reminded me that these things I used to grow were 'bush'
pumpkins.

Jim

Thanks for the search. Typing "Sugar Baby" into Google was quite
titillating ;O)

We have an productive cumquat tree. My wife went googling "cumquat
jam". You do get some recipes but not all are to do with boiling
fruit with sugar.

David

DAVID, WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA?!!

Ah, there, that feels better ;O)


I don't. Why did you say that? I don't see the connection.

D

Do you have any sense of humor?
I'm sure that all Americans who read this know that I'm pulling your
leg. Do you need that translated?
--
- Billy

Mad dog Republicans to the right. Democratic spider webs to the left. True conservatives, and liberals not to be found anywhere in the phantasmagoria
of the American political landscape.

America is not broke. The country is awash in wealth and cash.
It's just that it's not in your hands. It has been transferred, in the
greatest heist in history, from the workers and consumers to the banks
and the portfolios of the uber-rich.
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/.../michael-moore
/michael-moore-says-400-americans-have-more-wealth-/