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Last year I caught this swallowtail caterpillar devouring my dill.
Note carefully the tiny critter afflicting my destroyer. You can see
it about half way down the "spine".

http://i54.tinypic.com/2whnj1j.jpg

Still, this caterpillar was so beautiful it was difficult to hate it,
even though it took out a lot of dill.


We found one munching on one of our parsley plants a couple of years ago
and moved it to another less important plan in the garden.

But when I looked it up and read that the parsley was the only plant we
had that it would eat, we found it and put it back.

There was only one caterpillar and we had a lot of parsley.


We grow rue (ruta graveolens) for the swallowtails. It's a tough plant,
self sows readily, perennial in zone 5 and really does draw the
swallowtails. It's also reputed to give the swallowtails a bad taste.

The drawback is having to avoid skin contact with rue you because you
can get burns from it.
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Frank wrote:
On 7/28/2011 9:48 PM, The Cook wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 13:24:34 +0000 (UTC), Nad R
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wrote:
http://www.ext.colostate.edu/pubs/insect/05517.html

Googling, this one says moth is like a humming bird. I probably
have seen them flitting about.

Yep, that's them, I seen one two days ago. They can easily be
mistaken for a hummingbird while in flight.



We have both hummingbirds and hummingbird moths that visit our
Monarda. My husband named the moths "humbugs." There are several
varieties of Hummingbird moth and the one that appears here is not
the adult hornworm.


That's what I've seen. Plants are on deck near kitchen table and I
often see things that look like hummingbirds but not quite.
Always nice to learn something new. Part of the fun of gardening.


Update , after following one of the links posted here , I have found out the
ones in my garden are actually tobacco hornworms . The giveaway is the
diagonal stripes rather than V shaped on their sides .
I'll be checkin' on thses morning and evening for a while ... since that
same article said they prefer to feed at dawn/dusk .
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"Snag" wrote:
Frank wrote:
On 7/28/2011 9:48 PM, The Cook wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 13:24:34 +0000 (UTC), Nad R
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wrote:
http://www.ext.colostate.edu/pubs/insect/05517.html

Googling, this one says moth is like a humming bird. I probably
have seen them flitting about.

Yep, that's them, I seen one two days ago. They can easily be
mistaken for a hummingbird while in flight.


We have both hummingbirds and hummingbird moths that visit our
Monarda. My husband named the moths "humbugs." There are several
varieties of Hummingbird moth and the one that appears here is not
the adult hornworm.


That's what I've seen. Plants are on deck near kitchen table and I
often see things that look like hummingbirds but not quite.
Always nice to learn something new. Part of the fun of gardening.


Update , after following one of the links posted here , I have found out the
ones in my garden are actually tobacco hornworms . The giveaway is the
diagonal stripes rather than V shaped on their sides .
I'll be checkin' on thses morning and evening for a while ... since that
same article said they prefer to feed at dawn/dusk .


Mine are also tobacco hornworms. But for names sake there does not seem to
be that much different. Even thou I called them Tomato Horn worms. So let
the flame wars begin

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On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 13:24:34 +0000 (UTC), Nad R
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Frank wrote:
http://www.ext.colostate.edu/pubs/insect/05517.html


Googling, this one says moth is like a humming bird. I probably have
seen them flitting about.


Yep, that's them, I seen one two days ago. They can easily be mistaken for
a hummingbird while in flight.



We have both hummingbirds and hummingbird moths that visit our
Monarda. My husband named the moths "humbugs." There are several
varieties of Hummingbird moth and the one that appears here is not the
adult hornworm.
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I plucked two more this morning . This time from a couple of tomato plants
. I have cantalopes running under the tomatoes , the poo piles on the leaves
led me right to the little horned buggers .
I'm puzzled , why have I never had a problem with these before ? This is
only the second year for 'maters in this location , and I didn't have any
last year . And I've never seen a moth that fits the description given in
the several articles I've read .


they can fly some distance to lay eggs, so
it really doesn't matter if you had them
before or not. we are a fair distance from
any neighbors who garden so there is no
reason to expect them here, but they do
arrive...

last year we had a few, the year before
we had over twenty, this year we've seen
none so far (checked again this morning).

if you turn the soil under an established
tomato patch and have missed some of the worms
you will see large brown/red/purplish pupa in
the soil. very impressive critters.

crop rotation will help some, but is not
likely to ever keep them away completely.

hand picking them off is an easy non-
chemical means of control, and if you don't
like cutting them in half or squishing them
they will probably drown in slightly soapy
water. then you can compost them or bury
them or throw them away.


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Nad R wrote:
songbird wrote:

last year was not bad for tomato hornworms,
the year before we had about 25, this season
we have not had any so far, but will start
looking. usually we haven't seen them until
the first few weeks of August, but with you
two writing about them i'll have to go out
and take a closer look tomorrow morning to
be sure. i looked them over pretty good
(for poo sign) yesterday and didn't see
any chewed leaves or poo nuggets on the
ground (another easy way to find them also
if you have bare earth under the plants
instead of mulch) but a second look is
worth it.


Those small Horn Worms can produce rather large Poo Nuggets, but look at
how much one bug can eat


and how quickly they can go from not
being seen to suddenly showing up.

we checked the other day and didn't see
any. then the next day there were three
(one big one and two smaller ones) and
today there were none that we could find.


songbird
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songbird wrote:
Nad R wrote:
songbird wrote:

last year was not bad for tomato hornworms,
the year before we had about 25, this season
we have not had any so far, but will start
looking. usually we haven't seen them until
the first few weeks of August, but with you
two writing about them i'll have to go out
and take a closer look tomorrow morning to
be sure. i looked them over pretty good
(for poo sign) yesterday and didn't see
any chewed leaves or poo nuggets on the
ground (another easy way to find them also
if you have bare earth under the plants
instead of mulch) but a second look is
worth it.


Those small Horn Worms can produce rather large Poo Nuggets, but look at
how much one bug can eat


and how quickly they can go from not
being seen to suddenly showing up.

we checked the other day and didn't see
any. then the next day there were three
(one big one and two smaller ones) and
today there were none that we could find.


songbird


So far 14 hornworms and 1 hornworm moth smashed. Very little damage
catching them early.

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On Mon, 1 Aug 2011 07:50:30 +0000 (UTC), Nad R
wrote:

songbird wrote:
Nad R wrote:
songbird wrote:

last year was not bad for tomato hornworms,
the year before we had about 25, this season
we have not had any so far, but will start
looking. usually we haven't seen them until
the first few weeks of August, but with you
two writing about them i'll have to go out
and take a closer look tomorrow morning to
be sure. i looked them over pretty good
(for poo sign) yesterday and didn't see
any chewed leaves or poo nuggets on the
ground (another easy way to find them also
if you have bare earth under the plants
instead of mulch) but a second look is
worth it.

Those small Horn Worms can produce rather large Poo Nuggets, but look at
how much one bug can eat


and how quickly they can go from not
being seen to suddenly showing up.

we checked the other day and didn't see
any. then the next day there were three
(one big one and two smaller ones) and
today there were none that we could find.


songbird


So far 14 hornworms and 1 hornworm moth smashed. Very little damage
catching them early.


We caught a hornworm yesterday. The only reason it was spotted at all
was due to the wasp eggs. The thing looked like a hedgehog.

Boron
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Boron Elgar wrote:

-snip-

We caught a hornworm yesterday. The only reason it was spotted at all
was due to the wasp eggs. The thing looked like a hedgehog.


I hope by 'caught' you mean-- saw on a plant, celebrated & left him to
raise his predators.

Jim
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